User:ErnieBert/Talk Archive 02

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 * --Hilleyb 21:27, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Columbia Singles
I found a new one - Columbia ECC-75056. That leaves a hole in the chart for 75055. I assume it's more Havin' Fun with Ernie & Bert, and probably a 3-song set. Something to look for at least. -- Wendy (talk ) 02:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. The only problem with this one is that all 3 of these songs are already on the singles right above it.  And every song on the album is represented on the CC set, which also agrees with the LP back covers of the period that list all the CC's.  So I think this is a foreign pressing, but it's weird that the number is so close, but I've never seen one that said ECC.  They're always just CC.  I wish we could see the labels of the ones we already have.  Since the number is so close, I think we should keep it here for now, and that'll remind us to see if we can find other numbers near to it.  Maybe later we'll make a foreign SS section of American recordings, which would be different from the foreign-language ones we already have.  Interesting find! -- Ken  (talk ) 05:21, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Sesame Street Singles
Hey, Ken! I'm about to do some work on Sesame Street Singles. Is there a difference between why some songs are separated by two slashes and others by only one? —Scott ( talk ) 04:01, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, all that means is that some 45's have more than one song on a side. So Rubber Duckie/Sesame Street Theme means that each song is on a side.  But the kid version is Everybody Wash/Rubber Duckie//Rub Your Tummy, because the two songs with Ernie on them are on the same side.  It's kind of a miniature version of a track listing for an LP, where you'd have song/song/song/song/song//song/song/song/song/song, and the // means that's where the side break is.  I hope that made sense.


 * Not to be nosy, but what kind of work were you going to do? Anything I can help with? -- Ken  (talk ) 04:15, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Take a look at the talk page and let me know what you think. —Scott ( talk ) 04:46, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * By the way, I was going to do another collage of covers for the singles page. Do you have any particular favorites you'd like to see in there? —Scott ( talk ) 05:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, Danny put up "Rubber Duckie", which was okay with me. Maybe you should talk to him, in case he had a reason for picking that one.  Whatever you come up with is fine with me (I love the album one), but I don't want to tell you to take it down if Danny wanted to put it there.  And if he doesn't care one way or the other, whatever you come up with will be great!  I like looking at them all!


 * Uh, isn't it like 1:30 where you are? -- Ken (talk ) 05:39, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Bah, 1:30 t'ain't nothin'! —Scott ( talk ) 15:00, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Two Questions
Hi Ken -- a couple of conundrums. Every time I think I must have exhausted ebay for a little while it comes back and surprises me.

1) I found an album called "Stars Over Sesame Street", with label CTW-79007 and date 1979 according to the seller. This matches "The Stars Come Out on Sesame Street".  Is this a case of same number/album, new title & art? Or is it a Candian release or something?

2) The 8-tracks numbering system. I've now found pictoral evidence of the same album using two different prefixes.  As in CT8-79008 and 8T-79008.  That somewhat explains why I kept finding both systems (when anybody reported it that is).  Any ideas on why they had the double system? I've put the two covers up on the page for Sesame Disco! but it would be nice to know what they are...  -- Wendy  (talk ) 01:27, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow, this is getting hard. I've had a theory for a few years that Columbia was pressing the SS records, even after they left them in 1974.  I know this'll sound crazy, but the way the numbers are stamped on the vinyl in the area next to the label has always looked to me like Columbia did it.  (I've spent my whole life staring at records, and it just feels that way.)   Now that they have red 8-tracks with a CT prefix, that also sounds like Columbia.  Their mono records were CL, and their stereo records were CS.  So that might be one reason.  Also, I don't know if you've ever noticed, but record club versions have sometimes similar numbers, and sometimes totally different numbers.  I have a Columbia Record Club edition of The Sesame Street Fairy Tale Album, with a brown custom label, and a totally different number.  So that may be why we're seeing all these variations, especially with the disco ones, since they were pretty famous.


 * As far as the alternate "Stars" one, I'm guessing it's Canadian, but I wouldn't know for sure until I saw the label or read the fine print. I'd keep it for future reference.  Also, have you ever tried looking at the foreign eBay sites, just to see what comes up?  That might give us some alternate/foreign pressings, or even some more US stuff that people have in other countries.


 * I hope my record geekery isn't too boring for you! -- Ken (talk ) 04:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey Ken -- nope, not too boring. Although I probably won't remember it all for very long :o).  The 8-tracks could be Columbia I guess; I haven't found a number for one which we know is Columbia; that would be helpful.
 * I keep "Search Worldwide" turned on for ebay pretty much permanently. That pulls up a lot of the foreign auctions, and is helpful for things like the German PVCs or foreign albums.  I rarely go to the sites though; when I do I mostly find the same listings anyhow, although it's occasionally different.  -- Wendy  (talk ) 18:12, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

SS1
I found a listing for an Australian version of SS1; Axis Records, AXIS-6288, 1974. No picture. Are you collecting info on the international releases? I know you like those two original albums a lot. -- Wendy (talk ) 01:50, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It occurs to me, (I just found a Japanese Polydor promo release of Sesame Street Fever) that you might enjoy browsing around at musicstack.com; rather than me trying to guess what info is interesting. There are some images; no 8-tracks or reel2reels at the moment under SS, but plenty of vinyl and the listings appear to be reasonably informative.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:54, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I was thinking about that a while ago. Since Sesame had a different program in each country, I always figured that each country got their own records, like the ones in the Netherlands and Mexico.  But in the last few years I've seen the Japanese CD's of US releases come out (even an uncut 1975 Christmas album!), so maybe the US stuff does get overseas now.  Just out of curiosity, what do they show in England?  Is it the US show, or something else?  I always thought they got our show, since they also got the English language Muppet Show.  But I haven't been able to find out what they got (or get) for Sesame.  I know Canada used to show our show, but now they have their own.  So yeah, I want to someday build on the international stuff already here, but I've been focusing for now on the US stuff first.


 * Yeah, musicstack is good, and so is gemm.com. -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

8-track
I just found an 8-track of the 10th Anniversary Album on ebay (no track listing alas, so I don't know if they squished in all the songs, and a horrible scan although it appears that the case is silver). I notice that the number is just CT8-79002, or basically the LP number with CT8 prefix. If that is a normal pattern it might help to track them down. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:36, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Cool! I love having a number so I can have somewhere to start.


 * And most 2-record sets (which is what 79002 later became when they renumbered it 89002) were 1 8-track, like Star Wars and Saturday Night Fever. The one cool thing about 8-tracks was that they only used 1/4 of the tape that a cassette used, since it went around 4 times.  Of course, the bad thing was when a song would fade out, click, and fade back in on the next track! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:48, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, further scrounging pulled up a bunch of pictures (incuding Roosevelt Franklin which makes me curiously happy) from an online 8-track store. As best I can tell, and these were fairly high resolution, the album numbers are not on the face at all and the store doesn't bother to list them.  I also found one more tape where I could see the number in a wholesale lot on ebay that showed the spines of the cases, but the image is blurry:  It's "Sesame Disco" and the number as best I can read it is 8T-79008 (or maybe ST-79008 but that makes no sense).  So it's just the same as the LP number again.
 * Also, it's not entirely clear what to do with the images; for now I've just parked them on the album pages, but we may want to consider some better organization. For an album that was only released once it's not so bad to just tack on the image and say "also on 8-track", and given the apparent numbering similarity, we could just add 8-track to the format in the existing box.  For albums, like SS2, that were released several times with interesting cover art and extras it's not clear where to put the image at all, regardless of whether we add 8-track to the box.  It doesn't quite seem to merit an "extra releases" gallery, but it also looks a bit odd to just add in the 8track.
 * On a final note, I found a copy of the Sesame Street Fever 8-track that is very different from the one already here; I left both on the page so you can see. I've seen the same title with different colored plastic before but never with a dramatically different label like that.... -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:14, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the yellow one is a Canadian version. I says Distributed by Pickwick Records of Canada on it.


 * I would like to keep as many 8-track pictures (and pictures of other formats) that we can. 8-tracks are so rare now, that running across one is neat (at least, I feel that way).  If we only have one, people have been making another big picture under it.  Bert's Blockbusters and The Muppet Alphabet Album were done this way.  I think people had talked about it, and when it got to be more than three pictures, then I think they had said to make a gallery.  You may have been in on that one, because we were finding all the alternate stuff for The Muppet Movie and Caper.


 * Also, I don't think that the 10th Anniversary picture was that bad. What made you think it was bad?  I'd like to keep it, or at least put it somewhere for future reference. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, it was rather small and overexposed. But I put it up for now.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:28, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Columbia Letters
Last time tonight -- I also found four of the columbia letters singles (and another of the Roosevelt singles all in the same "batch" on ebay); they're all stamped from some library and the scans aren't great, but they're there. Anyhow, I thought you might not like to lose all of Kyle's cool label shots, so I'm parking them here for you. If you think it looks better with all the labels than some with some labels, some picture sleeves, we can park the sleeves themselves in the image chamber for awhile until we find the rest; it's up to you. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:55, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, here's where it gets complicated. Kyle has the Carry About, and we were talking about it.  All the Muppet Alphabet singles were sold separately as book and record sets, like the first set of CC's.  But when you bought the Carry About, you didn't get those, but you got little booklets like the ones that came with the LP.  So Kyle scanned the labels, because he didn't have the covers that you found.  So what you did is fine.  I'd prefer picture sleeve covers, and only put a label picture if we don't have a picture sleeve yet.  So we're almost done.  Come to think of it, I still can't figure out why there's no pop picture sleeve for Rubber Duckie, seeing as how Columbia made tons of kid picture sleeves, and we know that My Little Game has one.  My hunch is that there is one out there, but it's probably very rare, since that single was only sold for about a year, and then it switched to the "Hall of Fame" edition, whereas the book and record sets were sold for a much longer period.  So keep your fingers crossed!


 * By the way, did you notice that the 45's say "Muppet's Inc."? I thought that was great, seeing as how these are educational records!  -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I hadn't noticed but I see it now. That's pretty bad... although no worse (I suppose) than the amount of ungrammatical english the various muppets use... which after all is heard by all the kids rather than read by a few diligent ones :o).  I'm equally surprised that they say Muppets Inc at all...  When did it switch to Sesame Street Inc?
 * Yet another copy of the Rubber Duckie pop single sans cover showed up on ebay today. It's definitely odd; but surely they had to put it into something to sell it?  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:02, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, until Elmo came along, I always thought that Cookie Monster was the only one who talked wrong, but somehow that always seemed sort of endearing, kind of like how Grover never uses contractions. Anyway, the Muppets, Inc. refers to the cartoon drawings of the characters.  Sesame Street Inc.  was used as a publisher for some songs not by Raposo and Moss, and I think also as a general publisher of other material, but it's rarer than when you'd see CTW's copyright on everything.  All Muppet merchandise said Muppets Inc. until the 1980's when it started to say Jim Henson Productions.


 * I think, if I was any indication, finding kids' picture sleeves is even harder than finding the records. I know I've got several CC's with no book that they would have come with, and I have no idea if I chewed on them, tore them up, accidentally threw them away, or what.  Years later, I bought white sleeves for them, just to protect them, even though by now they're beyond being unplayable. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:36, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Skin I'm In
Hey Ken -- I found somebody selling a Columbia 45rpm of Skin I'm In/Safety Boy Blues. The picture was tiny; I can't make out the details on it. But the seller said that it was from 1970 not 1971 and was titled "Gordon's Friends from Sesame Street". Also that it contained "picture pages" with the words to the songs. I still think it's probably that Columbia single and that the seller took the song copyrights, not the album, but I thought I'd pass along the extra info here in case it's some other oddity. We may want to add the bit about Gordon's friends the way we do with the CRA singles when they are "Bert sings" or whatever... -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:27, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's one of the Roosevelt Franklin 45's. I have the Days of the Week one.  I need to learn how to scan and take pictures, so I can add stuff that I have.    Anyway, I don't know why the seller is describing it like that, but it's just like the first set of CC's from Sesame Street 1.  It's a book and record set with a cardboard book with pictures and lyrics.  It's actually "Gordon's Friend from Sesame Street", which is a subtitle on the LP, so the way it's listed on our chart is fine.  One thing I've always wondered is why they didn't make every song into a 45, the way they did with SS1, Alphabet, and Havin' Fun.  But the LP's of that era only list the ones we have, so I guess that's it. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:56, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

SS Fever 12 inch CTW-747
Here's the 12 inch Cookie single, and the listing. I'll let you add it into the table since I'm not sure where it goes... -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:17, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I took the times off the table entry; I'm quite sure the sweet version is 7:47 on this. I can't entirely make out the funky version -- it's either 6:00 or 8:00.  So I just left them out; we don't have the times on any of the other singles.  You can put them back if you want.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you caught me right when I was doing some cutting and pasting. I wasn't going to put the times on the 1978 version.  I just copied the 2003 version to compare them side by side, and then I erased all the stuff I didn't need.  It looks like the 2003 version has the same 2 tracks, and I think the Pinball Number Count song is either from Songs From the Street, or it's something else that somebody made that year.  I'll have to go back and check.  Actually, can you see if you can fix that entry?  As you can see, the catalog number is not in the right place, but it looks normal when I go to edit it.  I can't figure out what's wrong with it.  I also sent the eBay page to Scott to see if he could get them more into focus. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Here's the other side; if possible it started out even blurrier which is why I took the other one first. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 00:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Ebay is full of odd things
How do you feel about promo records on the wiki? Somebody is selling a promo 45 of Loretta Lynn and The Count singing "Count on Me". I find it beyond fascinating that this was ever made, but it doesn't exactly fit into the singles page; it could certainly be added as a note to the song page itself if nothing else. Also it's a 45rpm released (presumably) in the early 1980s. Also it leads to an interesting question -- how many promo records did they make? And what exactly for? I mean was the Count getting airtime on country radio stations?? -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I guess he was. For some reason, if you look at the records during 1979-1981, they were releasing more material with guest stars on them then they ever did before or since.  It's kind of fun, since I found 2 45's from In Harmony by just searching for the guest stars' names.  As far as putting promo records on, I think they're fine until we find a "real" copy, or if (as in this case), there was no "real" copy.  I thought this one was great, because the catalog number is SC1A, which I think stands for Sesame Country, so I'm hoping there may be more.


 * I'm also happy about this one, since, because it came out in 1981, it proves they were at least pressing some kind of singles after 1979. I've never understood why the 45's stopped in 1979, while the LP's didn't stop until 1984.  (I've heard a rumor of a single from the 1984 Christmas album, but the listing I've seen doesn't make sense, so it might be false info.)


 * If you can grab it, I'll make a place for it. Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:07, 16 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I thought you might like the date on it :o). The picture is up.  Not the most colorful addition to the table, but the label is there.  00:02, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Columbia Pop Record??
Hey Ken -- another odd one. Is this one of the Columbia Pop series? Or something else? The numbers on it don't seem to match the ones in the table on the Singles page. However the B-side is the SS Theme, so the music matches up. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:29, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's the "Columbia Hall of Fame" oldies reissue edition of "Rubber Duckie", which was originally released on 4-45207. I'll make a place for it. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:18, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Matt Robinson
Something to add to the Bob McGrath but not Sesame pile: I'd like to point out Matt Robinson but not Sesame here. It looks to have actually been a book and record set. Although the seller gives little info on it beyond the date. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:21, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yup, I have that one as a book and record set. They're thrashed, but I still have them.  There were at least 4 others in that series, but I can't find out anything about them.  His book and record sets were tall books, and the record came separately, not like Peter Pan, which had a pocket for the record in the book.  If the seller had a nice copy of both, I'd buy this.  Although, that's a nice picture sleeve that I don't remember ever having.  And for 99 cents.  Hmmmm.  Seriously, we should figure out where to put this.  I think it belongs somewhere, because Alphabet Bates is a character in it.  I just pulled the book down, and there's an ISBN in it, so now I'm thinking maybe it also came as a separate storybook.  I've just put together a chart of the first 24 SS book and record sets, and they all came as just books, too.  And I think it also belongs somewhere because this seems to be an official Sesame product from Random House (who they had as a licensee at that time), and it belongs in a way that Bob's Affinity album wouldn't.  Sorry if I'm rambling, but I love this stuff. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:42, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Bubble Gum 2
Hey Ken, this doesn't come up often on eBay, so I thought I'd let you know. —Scott ( talk ) 21:56, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for thinking of me! But I'm not really into this one, since I already have the Scepter.  I am kind of curious, however, where the other tracks came from.  I wish I could just borrow it and listen to it once! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Tape scans
Hi Ken -- Here's the scans of my tapes... The other Golden tapes that I have don't have cases. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:29, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Just One Me
You might get a kick out of this ... are there any other weird variations you can think of? --MuppetVJ 23:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow! Did you make that? I can't think of any other versions of that song, but I can think of a bunch of other songs in various cut versions, not to mention the butchered Christmas album. I'd like to somehow use that table as a regular feature on songs that would require it.  What do you think?  By the way, good to talk to you again! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:16, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Sesame Street Gold
Here you go Ken. CTW 89006 Welcome! -- <font color="Blue">Kyle (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 10:35, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Cool! Can you send me a picture?  I have CTW 79001.  I always thought that was a mistake.  I wonder why they renumbered it? -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:58, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Singles
Hey Ken, this image and this image are currently unused. Is it okay if I delete them? —Scott ( talk ) 15:39, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, can you put them on my user page and let me think about it? Right now, Kyle is working on making me a virtual Muppet Alphabet Album Carry About, and I might get some duplicated images, and then I'll pick the best ones.  I was wondering about that, since I knew we already had one 45 up there, but I didn't know where that other one came from before Kyle put up the whole set.  Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure, here you go. —Scott ( talk ) 02:20, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey Ken. I just found a sleeve to one of the Carry about Alphabet 45's on ebay. I'm thinking of bidding on it. Maybe i can find more. This is so awsome. Here's a link to the pic.  -- <font color="Blue">Kyle  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 10:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Archive box
Hi Ken -- Gosh, sorry it took me so long to get back to you about the talk page archive box. I don't think you need one right now... You only have one archive page so far, Muppet Wiki:Ken's User Talk Archive 01. Scott has that box because he's got 20 archive pages; ditto Current Events. So right now, your box would only have one entry. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 12:40, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, the only reason I wanted one was because I keep going back to the lists of records that you and Kyle gave me. I guess I could copy those to my user page and put them under the list of picture sleeves we still need.  Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

My Record
What ho, Ken! What exactly *is* My Record? I'm trying to cut down on short pages, and this is in the top 20, with no image or info beyond the box. Can you expand it, or do you just know of its existence and the box info? -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 00:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


 * What ho, Andrew! Yeah, this is a very late LP from 1983 (between The Gang's All Here! and Born to Add), and I've been looking for track info (and a cover picture) for some time.  All I have is the number and title, taken from the back of other records.  (I'm so glad they did that!)  I'm hoping that I or Wendy or Kyle or any of the people who are into the records will eventually stumble across it.  I wish I had more information.  It also happens to be the only Sesame Street album I've been able to add since I joined 3 months ago! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)