User:Aleal/Talk Archive 14

Archive of Andrew's talk page.

PuppetLover
Hi -- What was PuppetLover's previous identity? If we've blocked him once, we should always just block again. I don't care if they give themselves a new name; that doesn't mean they get another chance. -- Danny (talk ) 03:27, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree, but I didn't want someone to decide it wasn't fair, so I wanted to leave a clear message first, so the reason would be patently obvious. You may remember User:MissPiggyLoverr and the many permutations thereof. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 04:33, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Argh, I can't believe I missed that! Sorry. Yeah, with that dude, we block immediately and don't look back. What a dingbat I am. -- Danny (talk ) 15:32, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Galli Galli Sim Sim characters
You may have already seen this, but I know you like this kind of thing... -- Danny (talk ) 12:45, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Bharat! I don't think we had that yet. And yay, character profiles, since we still don't have pages for all the new Muppets. Thanks for sharing! Also, after two weeks and too many defective parts, I'm *finally* on DSL again. Zoooooom. -- 17:23, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Tom and Jerry
Hey babe: Where did the info for Tom and Jerry come from? The source is redlinked, and I can't figure out what it's supposed to connect to. References to the actual cartoon link there, so I'm confused by the whole thing. -- Danny (talk ) 16:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's an episode Guillermo put on YouTube, but only the street scenes. He never got around to adding it as an article page, and I didn't either. This was long before you were so gung-ho about redlinked episodes. Assuming he hasn't pulled them, the clips should be somewhere in here (I can't search myself on dial-up; dratted AT&T sent me a defective modem, and then the replacement didn't arrive on the scheduled day). And references to the actual cartoon link there just because it *is* a reference to the cartoon, so it made sense, just like references to Rob Reiner often link to Robbie and many other instances, but you can remove them if it bothers you; I'm not that attached to them. -- Andrew Leal  (talk ) 17:21, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Aha. Here they are, towards the bottom of the page. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 17:25, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Correction: here they are.--MuppetVJ 18:41, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

It's the Rhinestone Cowboy!
Hi, Andrew! Here's a graduation present for you. I may write more, but I wanted to let you know that I created a page for this person. Hope we hit 1,000 soon! -- Ken (talk ) 03:10, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Richie Havens
Hey, babe -- Here's another celebrity, if you're interested: Richie Havens. I just found him in a Sesame summary from 1976. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 16:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hooray, and a Woodstock connection at that. I still need to make that Lucille Ball page using the archive scripts. We've less than 30 celebs to go before we reach 1,000. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:42, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool! We're star-studded. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:19, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * What's the Lucille Ball connection? -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:36, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Jack Black
Having Jack Black on the wiki is magical and rad. Thank you. —Scott ( talk ) 22:47, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Your welcome! As we approach the 15,000 mark, I'm doing my best to fill in blanks with interesting people from Creature Shop films, and it's one of those amusing "before they were stars" moments. See also Sam Rockwell and Dane Cook. Also, you might enjoy Harris Yulin, if only for a notch on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Wonder Woman *and* Star Trek (though I haven't added that one yet). -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:51, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Missing pic
Hey babe: I don't know why, but somehow the picture you uploaded of Dan Blocker has gone missing -- swallowed up in some tech glitch. Would you mind uploading it again? -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:38, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I had the precise same trouble with Michael Landon, had to re-upload under a different name. I'll try again under the same file name, but with the two or more minute wait period, it's harder to tell what works and doesn't. I uploaded new versions of four images yesterday though, and only those two posed problems. Maybe Wikia technology hates the Bonanza theme. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 23:05, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Mobity's Name?
Hey, Andrew! I was wondering where you saw the spelling of Mobity's name as Mosley. I just looked at the front, the back, and the inside, and I also have the 45 of it, and they all say Mosely. I think the person who typed the track listing had it spelled wrong, and I just clicked on them to create them without really looking at it. I won't touch it until I hear from you. Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:14, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, Ken! Are you referring to the single or to The Year of Roosevelt Franklin? If the latter spells it Mosely, then definitely, you should change it in all instances. I'm glad you spotted it! -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 13:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I have the 45, which has it on the the label, the front cover of the book, and inside the book, above the song's lyrics. And I read the LP's inside gatefold that's on the article page, since you can blow it up to a bigger image.  And I'm 95% positive that the front and back covers also spell it that way, but that was after squinting and staring for a while.  Can you blow up the front and back just to make sure, or is that as big as they get?  My college library had a copy, but I don't think they have it anymore!  I'll have to see if I can find a scan somewhere. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:11, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. I sort of feel like Year of Roosevelt Franklin is in fact our best source on this, as the origin of the character and the song, trumping the 45 if they don't match. So do see if you can find a scan or a copy, or check with whoever scanned the images (there's pictures on pages like A.B. Cito, so someone had the album packaging; see if they're still around). -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:16, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It was Scotty J. Does he come around anymore? -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:27, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Home at Last!
Hi, Andrew! I was going to ask Danny something, and I saw your note. It's nice to know you made it to your new home! Hope everything is going well! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:54, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Muppets Who Grow Eyelids
Heya! Once you get settled in and figure out where your stuff is, can you see if you have any of the Wubbulous DVDs to fill out the missing pictures here? If not, I'll add that title to my Blockbuster list. I only ever picked up the first Wubbulous DVD anyway, and there've been quite a few since. —Scott ( talk ) 04:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry it took awhile to get to this. I added the one Wubbulous eyelids example I had, which was not one of the blanks. But that disc is third on my NetFlix list, so I'll get it as soon as I return what I have now (which should be this week). So I should be taking care of it; I basically grabbed any Wubbulous DVDs which I could find for 5 bucks or less, which was quite a few, but doesn't encompass the newer ones. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

The Statue of Liberty
How is it that we could have missed Sam's shirt up until now? I continue to be amazed at where I find Lady Liberty. I'll bet there's still more we haven't found. —Scott ( talk ) 17:21, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I think I may have one or two on my computer still (like one from Pinball Number Count). I like how ubiquitous she is, moreso than Uncle Sam. It would be an ideal article to feature as a Today entry for the 4th, or round about it (we're cooking out prematurely today). -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 17:24, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

For Our Children
Holy cow -- How did you get the For Our Children picture? That's crazy. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 20:42, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Three bucks and shipping on E-bay; like Cartoon All-Stars to the Rescue, the concert ended up on video as a sort of public service deal. The things I do for the Wiki. Baby Sinclair seemed to be having fun, though, and Neil Patrick Harris remarked on Gerardo's chest being oiled (though he doesn't bare it). Randy Newman and Woody Harrelson are fully introduced by Baby, and so probably deserve pages, if Gerardo gets one. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:31, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, go for it. And that's another nice NPH encounter, too. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 23:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't care too much about Harrelson, except to boost our Cheers alumni ratio, but Newman is one of those people who seems like they *should* have done more stuff with the Muppets, and haven't. I blame Pixar. I'll be signing off shortly, but when I get back and *if* I can find the disc again early on, I'll try to transcribe the Baby Sinclair scenes. As his sole appearance outside of Dinosaurs and related adverts/toys/shows, it's pretty interesting. It's also amusing to try to fit this in with the fact that the whole family went extinct. I like to think that scientists managed to rejuvenate his amber-preserved DNA just because they were in vital need of someone cute and reptilian to stir emotions and wallets towards a great cause, and realized Blossom, Doogie, and the Olsen Twins just weren't cutting it alone; his slowly dawning realiziation, between numbers, of his fate, trapped alone in a new time sans family or home, explains his cattiness towards Gerardo. And yes, I'm still under the weather, if the above musing didn't already prove it. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 23:38, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll get you, my pretty!
Fabulous. What a great article! -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:43, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's exactly what I was hoping it would be; later on, I'll beef up Margaret Hamilton a little with her comments about the show. I'm so glad we dug up all that stuff, and the fact that it wasn't re-aired explains a lot. At some point, a larger essay on the topic of scary stuff and parent reactions (I'd completely forgotten to comb through the folder labeled "Muppet Fear") may well be in order. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:49, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm so mad that I never got to see this! I was in 1st grade when it aired, and since they never reran it, no wonder I never heard of this one!  I can't believe they got letters saying their kids were scared!  Didn't they watch the movie every year like we did?  I would have been going, "Cool! Two universes you never see together!"  Kind of like when Grover showed up on The Electric Company.


 * By the way, do you know what other stuff was shown on that episode? -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:42, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Nope. All the material we found was only about the street plot. The inserts had no known affect on audience reactions, so no record of them in connection with it. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:44, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah -- I would love to see this episode, it sounds like so much fun. I think it would be great to do an article on parent reactions to scary stuff -- that would be awesome. I can look for more of that next time... -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 11:26, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Nice to have you back!
I hope you had fun on your trip. Did you find anything cool in the Archives? I hope you feel better soon, and that your move will go smoothly. See you later! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:57, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! We found a ton of stuff, from a cast list of the guest roles for the Hawaii episodes (Winona Beamer et. al, more to come) to floorplans of the set, tons of presskit bios, info on Plaza Sesamo, Thelma Thumb, and Margaret Hamilton's appearance, and tons more. Basically, I found everything I was looking for and a ton of stuff I wasn't which was even more interesting, and had a great time combing with Danny. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:59, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Did you happen to notice if they had anything on the records? Like documents on how they started their own label in 1974, or how the records fit into the show, or maybe even copies of them? If I ever get down there, that's the kind of thing I'd love to read about, since there's so little out there on it. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:07, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Nothing at all about the label is documented (not in places where we could find it, anyway; while some items are individually labeled, a lot of things are just hidden in generically labeled folders, waiting to be stumbled upon, and something like the label may not even have been in that part but in the corporate files, if its there at all [not every merchandise subdivision and so forth is fully documented]), but we did find smatterings of stuff about individual records. It will all end up on the Wiki eventually, and Danny will probably send you a few items of specific interest (I saw a couple things which made me think of you, but I'm not up to combing through the scanned files just yet). -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:10, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Projects with Muppet Cast Connections
The inclusion of The Mary Tyler Moore Show makes me oh so happy. —Scott ( talk ) 04:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought you'd enjoy it! I like the fact that we've got no less than 7 regulars or recurring actors from it on the Wiki. I'm a little surprised Georgia Engel has no Muppet connection, since she's the regular who was most like a Muppet herself! -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Vandals
Hey dude: I'm glad that you're catching the new vandal... I just want to remind you to try, if you can, to revert the changes without hitting the "rollback" button. Instead, go into History, and save the previous version. It probably doesn't matter, but it would be nice to see the revert numbers go down, even in the middle of a vandal attack. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 23:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll be honest, I'm sick of messing with that. Does it matter that much? -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 23:29, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It's really just one extra click. From recent changes, you click "last" then "edit" on the previous version and save. If it's a vandal who's attacked dozens of pages, rollback is easier, but if it's just a handful, we should try to do the extra click. —Scott ( talk ) 23:42, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Two extra clicks if its more than one edit. But okay, if you guys insist. I've been doing it as much as possible for other kinds of changes, but if its vandalism that we want gone quickly, a revert is quicker. Maybe I should just leave it for you guys to mess with. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 12:33, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sure you don't mean leaving vandalism for someone else to deal with when you come across it. As admins you and I and Danny have a revert feature that not everyone else has. Everyone else has to do it with the two extra clicks. I haven't seen it that often mostly because one of us is pretty quick to get rid of the vandalism, but honestly, if Danny says it's going to make a difference to the Wikia folks looking at our stats during this no-anon IP editing trial mode we're in, then I think it's worth our while to do two extra clicks with our mouse. —Scott ( talk ) 14:53, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I mean just that. No offense, but I'm preparing to move next week, and want to enjoy my Wiki time without extra steps. I know the revert privilege is that, but if it means so much to you and Danny, frankly, I just won't deal with it until you guys come along. Which will only be for about a week anyway, then I'll be on the road. Once I get settled in again, I'll take that extra time, but right now, even this discussion is stressful. IO still don't get why it matters so much at all. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 14:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * P.S. I checked the logs, and you've reverted much more lately than I have, Scott. So I guess I'm feeling a little picked on right now. Danny says he doesn't even know for sure if it makes a difference, so why dump on me? -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 15:01, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not dumping on you. I used the rollback link recently for someone who came in and vandalised a dozen or so pages in a row and it looked really bad. I probably could have taken the extra second for each and done the extra click, but it was the volume that struck me. I trust Danny's instincts, and I think if it will help, we should try to do it. But by all means, if an extra click for one or two reverts is stressful for you, then continue as you were I guess. —Scott ( talk ) 16:19, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * PS: I'm sorry if I'm coming across as a dick, I'm just trying to understand. I don't want you to be stressed, but I also don't want you to ignore vandalism. Please feel free to deal with it in the best manner you see fit. —Scott ( talk ) 16:30, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, you really were coming across as if you were trying to lambast me for some unknown reason, so I appreciate the apology. I'm worn out from the trip and down with a cold, and slept not a wink night before last, so I know I'm crankier than normal right now. Thing is, Danny didn't even seem to know, so I was really wanting him to clarify what he knows about the situation, and then you come in and it felt like you were just riding me. If I see it, and I have the time and energy, I'll try to go the extra mile, but if any reversions at all is somehow seen as threatening our ability to remain so anons don't get in (and as I keep saying, I still don't understand that one lick), then yes, I'll let you guys take care of it. It will probably depend on how much, if any, more vandalism we have this week. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 16:45, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Peter Friedman as Snuffy
I saw that on Peter Friedman's page that you added that he briefly performed the back half of Mr. Snuffleupagus. What is your source for this? --Minor muppetz 00:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The archive presskits. That's what I did last week, with Danny. I wouldn't have added it without a source. I'll mess with formatting a citation after Danny scans the specific presskit. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 00:17, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Spanish help
Hey, can you make out whether or not this is a licensed product? —Scott ( talk ) 04:52, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it is. We don't have a page for it, but it was discussed on the Toughpigs forum, this "Muppet Dance Party" thing for phones or whatnot, when it was first announced. See also here for the same thing with English text. Also, the other game you mentioned here, I'd have to download to be sure, but I suspect it may be The Muppets: On with the Show!. If we could find any screengrabs from the latter, it would be easier to check. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, never mind, I see you found it. Yay. Now I need sleep. Off to Maryland until Monday! -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:01, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Ooh, have a good trip! —Scott ( talk ) 05:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

two chickens
Wow, I never would have known we had "Giant Man-Eating Chicken"... it never linked from anything, I checked. —Scott ( talk ) 02:51, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, there's a few articles like that. I knew the concept rung a bell. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:55, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Walter Matthau
Hey, Andrew, how come you removed Walter Matthau? He already had his own page, and the Odd Couple page mentions the movie and TV show, so I just connected them. -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:05, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * We don't count people under connections if they're categorized merely as "references." Walter Matthau never worked with the Muppets in any capacity, he was just referenced by them. So it's not a real Odd Couple connection. That's also why Marlon Brando isn't on the Superman page. "Connections" are exclusively for people who performed or otherwise specifically worked personally with the Muppets/Creature Shop. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, okay. How did your defense go? -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:16, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I passed! One more paper to revise and some proofing, which I want to finish by Friday, but that's it. Hooray! -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:18, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Cool! Let us all know when you're finally, finally done! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:11, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Donna Pescow
Is that Donna Pescow in Image:Lonianderson-garysandy.jpg? —Scott ( talk ) 02:31, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I hadn't been able to ID all the celebs in The Muppets Go Hollywood (probably put up a couple later), but since you mention the name, I googled, and yep, it's her. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:34, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Puppet Man theme
Hi Andrew: Michael Earl posted some info on a theme song that he wrote for Puppetman, which didn't end up getting used in the show. He posted the lyrics on my talk page, and a note from Jim Henson about it here. Do you have any thoughts about it? -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 20:28, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Scott already added it to Puppetman, just tossing it in, but I'd like to fix it up later, maybe in a short seperate section, with a couple of lines from the lyrics to show the approach it would have taken, but that would be it. Since it's a neat trivia note, but not only was it not used, the letter makes it clear it was unsolicited, just a pitch. It hearkens back to an earlier conversation you and I had about pages for projects which in fact were never planned by the Jim Henson Company, but which other people pitched to them, uninvited. This is the same thing. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 20:35, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what I was thinking, too. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 20:36, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The more I think about it, if we finally create a seperate category for those pitched projects (Kermit, Prince of Denmark, all those Darin McGowan projects), the proposed Puppetman theme could have its own page. I'll think and talk more about it later, though (my defense is tomorrow at 11, and I have to make very extensive last minute revisions). -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 20:35, 4 June 2007 (UTC)