User:Toughpigs/Talk Archive 03

Archive of User:Toughpigs

Thanks
Thanks for the help! =) -- Chunk 14 February 2006

Spoofs
Hey, if you look at Category:Spoofs, we've been putting the real thing in there that's being spoofed, and not the actual spoof itself. It doesn't sound logical when you think about it at first, but if you look at the structure of how it works, it makes sense. -- Scott Scarecroe 19:43, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, that does make sense. Cause then you could have multiple spoofs for Sherlock Holmes or whatever, all on one page. I must have missed when that was set up. -- Danny Toughpigs 20:28, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it was kinda in response to your comment when we were talking about caricatures versus Muppet spoof characters. -- Scott Scarecroe 20:35, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Logoboy95
Well, today Logoboy95 kept repeatedly uploading logos and pages for the CG non-Henson movie Ice Age, it's upcoming sequel, and even an entirely non-existant TV series. He ignored or chose not to look at his talk page, and kept re-uploading deleted material, so I blocked him for three days. Phew. Should I post another message telling him to e-mail you and discuss the issues if he wants back in, or just leave it be til the ban period expires, or what? --Andrew, Aleal 23:59, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * You did a great job! I just looked at Scott's response to you, and I agree. We gave him plenty of chances, and he didn't respond. Posting the imaginary Ice Age show is absolutely the last straw; we don't have time to deal with his delusions. I made his block infinite.
 * I was away from the computer all day yesterday, and I'm really happy that you were here to take care of this. I'm glad you've got admin powers now! -- Danny Toughpigs 13:44, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Template Fiddling
Lately, a lot of great info has been added about who built and/or designed specific characters, especially from Vard and occasionally whatsisname, MuppetMaker?, but a lot of it tends not to get added to the actual character pages, or when it does, it's buried in other text. So I'm playing around with a variation of the performer template (who knew it was so easy?), to make the information more visible/accessible: Template:Designer (I've already placed it on Scred, for study purposes). I made it for at least two names, since in most cases there's at least one of each, and if the same person did both, I don't suppose it hurts to list them twice (I'm semi-following the model of the old Featured Creature pages, which in addition to workshop photos and interviews and the Finch books, has been one of my own main sources for this stuff). Of course, variations would be needed for those with more than two folks involved, and frankly it's probably not usable on pages for folks like Hoggle or Fizzgig, where a dozen folks were involved and credited, unless we limit it in those cases to, say, Brian Froud and the credited fabrication supervisor (Dark Crystal, though not a favorite of mine, at least has individual billing for the main builder/supervisors and costumers for each race or character, while everyone else is lumped in lader).
 * Oh, and I'm also considering a Template:Actor (re discussion of whether template:performer is the best thing to use for Doc or John Crichton, especially as more live characters and animated characters get added. Thoughts? Tweaks? Cheese? --Andrew, Aleal 04:45, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the designer box is great; that's a beautiful thing. I'd like to have that under the photo, when there is one, cause otherwise the photos get pushed down too much. So it would be performer box, photo, then designer box, unless you feel differently about it.
 * Personally, I think the performer box works just fine for actors and animated characters -- the word "performer" could work for all of them. I think "Actor" sounds a little weird. -- Danny Toughpigs 14:15, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the performer, pic, designer order seems to be working well, giving it a nice framed look (and yay Scred pic! He'd been needing some love.) I had to mess around a bit more with awkward sized pictures (many of my older uploads, I'd already cropped and trimmed down to showcase the character, rather than just uploading as is), as with Daddy Dodo, but I think it looks okay (still playing around with how to subdivide builders of different pieces, though; may indeed need a new template for that, but the current one should work for most cases).
 * And I see your point about performer, I just irrationally liked it being saved for puppeteers. So I'll just start using that (as I'm getting tired of adding little "Fairytale Character A was played by Canadian Guy B" sentences. --Andrew, Aleal 15:33, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Addendum: I'm not sure how well that works on characters with more than one image on their page, ala Rowlf the Dog. I tried alternating them (performer, pic, designer, pic), but not sure how it looks. However, if placed below all images, on some pages, it would really bury the thing... Hmmm... --Andrew, Aleal 15:49, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it's okay if it's buried a little. It's nice info to have, but it's not something that people are dying to know. I think the pictures are more important than the designer box, so I say put the box under all the pictures. -- Danny Toughpigs 16:01, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yavol. Done. --Andrew, Aleal 16:04, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Williams in the howse
John Williams on the front page! I am, indeed, hilarious. -- Scott Scarecroe 23:44, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Plus, you have puppy smarts. -- Danny Toughpigs 00:03, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Time Out
How do you feel about mentioning that an article with a Time Out may be subject to edit protection by an administrator? Dependant upon how severe the case is. -- Scarecroe 20:11, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I was thinking about that, but I realized that we shouldn't protect the page, for the same reason that we don't protect the main page. If somebody's going to edit a Time Out page, then it's better for us to know about it, and figure out whether the person is being a dick, or just doesn't understand the Time Out thing. The Time Out process is one way of identifying problem users who can't communicate. -- Danny Toughpigs 21:10, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Good point. How'd you git so smaht? -- Scott Scarecroe 21:34, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I copied it off somebody else. -- Danny Toughpigs 22:15, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Logo Logic
Not *exactly* vandalism, but it would be appreciated if you'd keep an eye on Logoboy95, who I suspect from his work on the TriStar Pictures page, is our old friend who kept adding odd babble about PBS logos. I just did a major cleanup of that page. None of it is really vandalism so much as overeager and semi-incoherent adding of companies, with useful info and images bundled up with very phrase choices. --Andrew, Aleal 04:11, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I was wondering about this user as well. I think you're right, it would do us well to keep an eye on their contributions. -- Scott Scarecroe 04:18, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm not quite sure what to do with this page: Walt Disney Pictures. For one thing, it somewhat misleadingly suggests that Disney was the originaly distributor of The Muppet Movie (and as with the other pages, the odd pattern about when the company was founded and when it "merged" seems to have been the result of picking years at random). It may have just been one huge burst of enthusiasm, though, and admittedly the logo images are pretty neat. --Andrew, 04:21, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I didn't look that closely at his stuff, but I was a little baffled by what I saw last night. He's definitely not the same PBS babbler -- that guy should be pretty easy to spot by his distinctive comma use. (He always, puts commas in, where they really, don't, belong.) Why don't you guys post messages on Logoboy's talk page? I don't want to be the only bad cop in town. -- Danny Toughpigs 12:01, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Featured Wikicity
It looks like they use a template to call for the current Featured Wikicity from the front page of Wikicities. I created one for the Muppet Wiki if you wanna check it out, re-write it, whatever. -- Scarecroe 03:42, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, nice. That'll be another project for tomorrow. I'm too sleepy right now for any big projects... -- Danny Toughpigs 03:44, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * They're not jumping up to make us the featured site, but since we obviously won the vote, I figured I'd step up and get the ball rolling. Once we're happy with how that template looks, it's very easy to make it active on the main page. Just swap out "Star_Wars" with "Muppet" and we're up. -- Scarecroe 03:47, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

messy watch page
Hey, I have no idea what you've got goin' on with the watch page. Can we figure that out with some section headers or something? -- Scott Scarecroe 03:17, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'll fix it tomorrow. -- Danny Toughpigs 03:38, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Sometimes I'm Blocked, Sometimes I'm Not
I've been trying to edit a few things recently, but when I edit, I get to a User Blocked page, but I have also been able to edit a few articles since then. Mainly what I've been blocked from editing was Muppets Tonight Episode 105: Cindy Crawford. I've been able to edit other things since then. The blocked user page says that I'm blocked for pointless edits and not responding to messages, but I don't think I've been making any pointless edits to anything, and most of the messages I have been getting are comments that I don't think need responses. What is the deal?

68.175.96.25
Oops. That was me. Rusty, rusty me.--Pantalones 15:34, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, welcome to you anyway. Or welcome back! -- Danny Toughpigs 16:00, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguation Page for "Billy"
I was thinking that we might need a disambiguation page for the term "Billy." In my limited count, we already have at least 3 "Billy"s : Billy from The Muppet Show, Billy from From the Balcony & now I've seen Billy from Bear in the Big Blue House. Anyway, just a thought. -Sbartok 14:43, 5 February 2006 (UTC)-
 * That's a good idea. You can go ahead and do stuff like that, if you want. Just check out one of the current Disambig pages to see how the template works. -- Danny Toughpigs 14:45, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Trogga
Hey, I know we'd been encouraging Trogga to try something other than re-organizing, but I really like his Table of Contents on Category:Muppet Characters. -- Scarecroe 00:10, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I do too, it's awesome. I'm going to post a PS on his talk page. -- Danny Toughpigs 00:14, 4 February 2006 (UTC)