User talk:Toughpigs

Gallery stuff
Hi, Danny! I was looking at finally getting all of the label pages to match the SS Discography, so I was going to blow up the pictures, and make them 3 across, and I noticed that some pages have double braces, then "center", and the year, while other pages just have the "br" then "center". Are those 2 ways of doing the same thing? They look the same. I was just curious. Thanks! -- Ken (talk ) 03:41, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they're the same thing. You can use either one! -- Danny (talk ) 21:03, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Sesame Streem
What do you think? Are the albums okay on this page, or do you still want them one level out farther? -- Ken (talk ) 02:11, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, Scott had some thoughts over on Current Events. -- Ken (talk ) 17:06, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I think Scott's done the right thing; I agree with his changes. -- Danny (talk ) 18:24, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, so I guess we'll keep just the one page as it is, and that's it. -- Ken (talk ) 22:10, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Danny!
I keep forgetting to ask you this. A long time ago, you mentioned that somebody had bought muppetwiki.com, and all it is is a bunch of links and stuff. I mentioned this to one of my friends who builds websites for a living, and he was wondering why you or Wikia didn't just buy it, so you could use it to direct people to the wiki. Do you think that would be necessary, or are people finding us all right through Google and other sources? -- Ken (talk ) 04:17, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't know, it never really occurred to me... It would just be extra money to pay for the domain. If somebody goes there looking for the wiki, it's pretty obvious they're in the wrong place. So then they'd do a search for Muppet Wiki, and find us right away. It would be nice if we had that domain, but I don't really feel like registering it myself... Maybe someone else does? -- Danny (talk ) 04:21, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't know. From what my friend was able to find out, somebody already owns it, so Wikia would have to buy it, and I didn't know if they'd spend their money on something like that.  My friend sent the guy an e-mail that kind of asked, "Would you be willing to sell it?", and the guy said something like, "How much do you want to spend?"  So it sounds like he's holding onto it, thinking somebody would pay him a lot of money for it.  But if we're getting lots of Google hits, as well as getting known in Muppet fan circles, then I guess we're doing okay! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:40, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's being held by a domain squatter. They buy up every domain they can think of, and then wait for people to come and offer them money. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:36, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks. Hey, did you get the e-mail that I sent you last week?  I went to Jim Henson's Fantastic World in Seattle in June, and I got some stuff I want to send you.  Let me know. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:12, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Harvey Kneeslapper
Hi Danny, I saw your edit to the page on Harvey Kneeslapper. When you say the character to those Season 3 green-backround sketches, (I.E. X marks the spot, I'd love 2, and Do you mind if I take a picture of U), is a different character from the Mr.Johnson puppet, (although I do have to say, they look and even sound the same), do you mean it would be the same character as the Fat Blue character performed by Richard Hunt from "3 sticks", as well as the Fat Blue character Harvey usually pranked on, being the one performed by Jim Henson? (If so, I think I can see where you're going there, mainly because all three puppets where the same blue sweater), or do you mean it's a differnet character by itsself? Sorry if this can sound a bit confusing, I try my best to make a summary sound good. Wattamack4 17:07, 24 July 2009 (UTC)Alex


 * Well, the Anything Muppets often don't have a particular character that's meant to be consistent from one sketch to another. There's a limited number of Anything Muppet patterns, and a limited number of accessories, so sometimes they'll look similar -- but that doesn't mean they're meant to be the same character. For example, Teresa (from the "Women Can Be" song) looks a lot like Smart Tina, but they're not supposed to be related.


 * In this case, Mr. Johnson is a consistent character in all of the Waiter Grover sketches -- he always looks the same and sounds the same, and he always wears a suit. But there are lots of other Fat Blue characters with a strip of brown or black hair -- Simon Soundman, Uncle Louie, Gyros Spiniapolis... and Harvey Kneeslapper's victim. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 17:38, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I see. That sounds helpfull. Wattamack4 18:20, 24 July 2009 (UTC)Alex

Question
Do you know what's going on with Episode 3364? -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:48, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, thanks for the heads-up! Just a weird unhelpful contributor. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:57, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * That's what I thought. He was going in circles for 2 days, and not getting anywhere. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 07:02, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

John Inman
Don't know if you saw this (I am sure you did), but I figured you would get a kick out of it. John Inman is on the wiki! I love that we finally have a connection to Are You Being Served? on here! -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 15:30, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow, that is great! I didn't have a lot of wiki time yesterday, so I missed that. What a great picture, too! Oh, I love the wiki. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 15:45, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Muppet Wiki Community Portal / Active Contributors
Hello, Danny. Is this page still active? It hasn't been edited for almost two years; I was considering adding myself, but with the last edit being over a year ago, I'm not sure if others will allow or deny my addition. So, combining this information I just presented, I am asking you this - Is it alright if I add myself, even if I believe that I'm active on the wiki? Thanks for your time, Matt H.  ( talk ) 21:09, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, gosh! I'd totally forgotten about that page. You're right -- that's way out of date, and it's not even the way we really think about the site anymore. I'm going to delete that page. I don't want people to feel left out just cause they're not on that list -- I'm really sorry that you saw it, and it made you feel that way! You're an awesome contributor, totally a part of this community -- and if we were still doing a list like that, you'd be on it! -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:50, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and by the way, I did not feel left out; I was just curious why I wasn't on there. I even wondered how User:Oscarfan and User:Rocketstevo would have felt, since they're very active on the wiki! Matt H.  ( talk ) 03:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

jewel studded Kermit
Hey, do you know anything about this? I have a faint memory of us talking about how bizarre it was to produce something that only rich people could afford. —Scott ( talk ) 16:31, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I wrote about them on Tough Pigs back in the day... These are the pictures that I have. They were made by Landau; I don't know what year... -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 16:36, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Here's the website for Landau Jewelry... -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 16:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah! Got it -- Ugly Toys Pageant. It was released in 2002. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 16:39, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, they're pill boxes. Weird. Thanks for finding the pictures! —Scott ( talk ) 16:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Elmo and Other Videos
Sorry to keep asking questions, but you just reminded me of something. When should a video of a special or a movie get its own page, and when should it go on the page for the production itself? Elmo in Grouchland looks kind of empty, and I know that other specials have a video gallery at the bottom. Is there any guideline to follow, or have we not talked about it yet? I know that certain pages like the videos of The Muppet Movie are separate because there have been so many US and foreign editions. What do you think? -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:22, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * That's a really good question! I was just thinking how empty and sad that page looked too. What have we done with other movies that only had one video release? -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:24, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Maybe I was jumping the gun. I just ran through Muppet Video, and every theatrical release has had a bunch of US and foreign editions, and most of the specials have also had multiple US and foreign editions as well.  The only other thing I can think of that's kind of empty is the videos for Christmas Eve on Sesame Street.  It's got 3 boxes, and that's it.  A lot of the specials go into detail about what was cut from different editions of the specials, so that may be why the boxes are shown by the text.  But I guess Elmo is the only one so far that only has one picture.  Maybe we just never got around to expanding the page with the multiple editions like for Follow that Bird. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:32, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi!
Getting sick of hitting the Enter key yet? -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Never! I have not yet begun to hit Enter. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:04, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, it's kind of cool of you to standardize all the episode pages going all the way back to episode 1 (or 2, since episode 1 has a full guide). I found more information on a bunch of Japanese CD's tonight, and I think there are some DVD's that are unique to Japan that I'll be working on soon.  One of these days I'll get back to working on US VHS titles.  I keep running into other things! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:26, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Comic Book Songs
Hey, I just thought of something. If the Muppet Show Comic books show songs being performed (although with lyrics only), wouldn't they count as Muppet Show Songs, and not musical references? They're actually performing the song in the context of the comic book, and not just referring to a song like in a parody or something. Or do you want to keep Muppet Show Songs for stuff that was actually performed on the show? -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:56, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think "Muppet Show Songs" should be songs performed on the Muppet Show, just like we decided "Muppet Show Characters" should be characters from the show itself recently. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:15, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems weird to call a performance a reference, though. Is there something else we could call it, like "Muppet Show Comic Book Songs"? -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:16, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Or it could just be listed as "Muppet Songs". --Minor muppetz 02:48, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think we have pages for these. Is this a non-issue, or did I miss them? —Scott ( talk ) 02:54, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know if there are many, but there's In My Merry Oldsmobile. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:57, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * We talked about this already somewhere, and decided that we weren't going to refer to Comic Book "songs" as Muppet Songs, because they're not. But Peter discovered that "In My Merry Oldsmobile" is an actual song from 1905, so its use in the comic is a reference to the real song. Hence, Musical References.


 * It would be the same if there was a musical number in the comic of "Blue Suede Shoes" -- that would be an Elvis Presley reference, and we'd list it as a Musical Reference there. This just happens to be a particularly obscure reference, so it was good detective work on Peter's part. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:00, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay. I hadn't been following how you guys were handling things that came up in the comic books, but I saw a new page for "In My Merry Oldsmobile" in Recent Changes, and wondered what show it was used in, and I saw that it was used in the comic book.  Thanks for clearing it up. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it took me a minute to wrap my head around it, too. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Question
Hi Danny. I know you think it’s not a good idea having me working on this Wiki and yes I do have a kind of attention deficit disorder called Asperger syndrome. I, however, am truly sincerely sorry for not listening to your words before. I want you to know if you could please give me just one last chance then I’ll leave all links alone. I can find some other outlet for my energy besides changing all the redirects. I can make few pages when needed, check for spelling and/or punctuation mistakes, or anything else that you may need help with. And I promise to generally stop being a pest. You might not believe me when I say this but it’s true. And all I ask for is one final chance. And if I blow that chance I promise I won’t ask for another chance. I only ask, however, to add a "d" in Grundgetta's name on the Worm page. And again, I won't change another link. Thanks again. -- <font color="Green">T.J. (<font color="Green" size="1">talk ) 14:08, 14, July 2009 (UTC)

SS policy
Hey, do we have a policy for SS episodes about repeated info, like if the episode page just lists segments with, all with earlier EKAs. Are they worth keeping then or just get nixed. - Oscarfan 15:08, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you have an example? I'm leaning towards keeping them, but I'd like to see what you mean. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 15:10, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Like Episode 0123; it has nothing but repeated info. Is it still worth keeping though? - Oscarfan 15:16, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, definitely! It's all eka's, but the fact that those sketches appeared on that episode is new info. The "repeated info" pages that I've been taking out are all one-line articles that repeat information that's contained on another single page.


 * For example, let's say there's an episode page that links to the director, John Smith. When you click on the "John Smith" link, the page only has one sentence: "John Smith directed Episode X." That's the only sentence on the whole page.


 * That's what we mean by "repeated info". There's nothing on that John Smith page that you wouldn't already know from reading the page that you just clicked from. So if you're on that episode page and you click on the director's name, you're not learning anything new than what you just read. It's a waste of your time to click on that link. We don't want to waste readers' time or patience, so we try to avoid making pages like that.


 * But there's nowhere else on the wiki that says exactly what segments are in episode 0123. If we took that page out, then there would be nowhere on the wiki that listed what was in that episode. Does that make sense? -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 15:24, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * If I could just comment here, we also don't know what else was in Episode 123 yet. There are no street scenes listed, so more information could surface.  Theoretically, eventually every episode segment in every episode guide will point back to the first episode it appeared in. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:42, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Jim Henson Records
WOW! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:25, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yay, I'm glad you like it! I kind of got inspired today. :) -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:50, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm jealous! I didn't even know all that stuff!  And I don't know how I missed those LA Times and Billboard articles!  Do you think we should mention some of that on the Muppet Discography page, too?  I know you don't want to repeat stuff. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:53, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, absolutely! We should always spread the info around wherever it's relevant. My "repeats" thing is about creating a brand new page just to say something that already exists somewhere else. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:53, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Gosh, it makes all the other label pages look kind of empty. Maybe someday we'll find out the behind the scenes stories on them, too! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:58, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree, that page is amazing. I never knew about the lawsuit. It seems like they weren't promoted well compared to the video releases at te time. I saw TV advertisements for the videos long before seeing them in stores back in spring 1993, but didn't know about the Jim Henson Records line until fall 1993 when I finally bought a Jim Henson Video release and saw a print advertisement for some of them. And I thought Rocket to the Stars and Music and Magic were released in 1994, not '93. --Minor muppetz 02:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, and regaridng behind-the-scenes info on other labels, I posted a link from Muppet Central announcing the Jim Henson Home Entertainment line t the appropriate article page. I couldn't find anyhting that I felt was worth quoting, but maybe somebody else will think otherwise. --Minor muppetz 02:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Dimpley Fraggle
Danny, why'd you delete the page for Dimpley Fraggle? Your edit summary says "no evidence for a Fraggle with this name" -- but if you look at my Sandbox page Sandbox:Fraggle Gallery, or watch the episodes Episode 221: Wembley and the Great Race or Episode 317: Playing Till It Hurts, you'll see there are actually two Fraggles with that name. I didn't make the name up; it's stated in the episodes. --GrantHarding 14:56, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * It looks like the page was created by someone who we blocked for creating nonsense pages. I went ahead and restored it, so feel free to build it up! —Scott ( talk ) 16:14, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

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