User:Pantalones/Talk Archive 02

Archive of Peter's talk page.

Gunsmoke
Hi, Peter! As regards Miss Kitty, I corrected your last correction, but now the sentence reads "As Rowlf walked through the saloon, he greeted the monster as "Miss Kitty," a reference to saloon girl Kitty Russell from the radio and television Western series Gunsmoke." Would it be all right if I just shortened that to "Western series"? Just using television series doesn't work for me, as "Miss Kitty" had first been established for years on radio, but the current phrasing is a bit unwieldy. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 23:23, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Alice
Hey, great work on Alice in Wonderland and The March Hare (Muppet Show). It's always nice to provide a clearer context for Muppet adaptations of other characters/historical figures (I probably need to do something like that for The Duchess, with a little more explanation of the literary context for the throwaway baby/pig switch on the show). -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 18:16, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * And I've never even seen the episode! Just the bits on the Playhouse Video.  But my question was going to be: should we have a separate page for the March Hare (and Mad Hatter, etc.) as a reference, and then one for each portrayal?  I mean, isn't there at least one more in Alice in Wonderland (film)? -- Peter  (talk ) 19:51, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't seperate them until we actually have pages for them, and I'm not sure Martin Short's portrayal of the Mad Hatter deserves its own page, or rather, I'm not sure there's enough to say about it. It goes back to our unresolved question on Talk:Pinocchio. Personally, if the reference is to the work in general, even if the work and the title character are eponymous, I say disambiguate, as otherwise it tends to limit detailed discussion of the actual characterization and instead becomes just a blanket list, mixing spoofs and other Muppets in the roles with presentations of the literal characters (Hansel and Gretel comes to mind). But I'm not sure there's a lot of value gained in having, in addition to potentially three March Hare pages, a seperate "March Hare (reference)" page. Scott turned The March Hare into a disambiguation page, and that seems good enough for me. Any specific details about other portrayals can either be a general see also, or best yet, go on the main Alice in Wonderland page. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 23:03, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree, although it is a little different from Pinocchio isasmuch as we aren't talking about title characters. But it seems silly to put general information on the March Hare on the Alice in Wonderland page.  Or does it?  Because otherwise, we'd probably have to duplicate the general March Hare information on every March Hare page - and as I understand it, the one from Alice in Wonderland (film) is a Creature and deserves his own page.  -- Peter  (talk ) 14:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I just don't think creating a seperate page is the answer. Either put it all on each page, or if Scott will allow, on the disambiguation page, or provide a character summary on Alice in Wonderland. I mean why not? Have a sub-section for the characters who are most often depicted in the relevant productions (Hatter, Hare, maybe the Dormouse, as there's two creatures of that and one chicken). By the way, you'll have to get Scott or someone to remove the watermarks, but there's a slew of images from the 1999 Alice here. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 14:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Fie
Fie on ye and your disruptive penchant for "disambiguation" such that it must force action upon innocent articles! The falcon shall fly south at midnight, and the dyspeptic toad cross your shoulders. Wear a pink carnation and drink tea. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 00:43, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi
Hey, sorry for not contributing for the last few days...it's because I went back to school. =\ Ffeifanc 01:35, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Looking Glass
Is there enough material to support a Through the Looking Glass page? The current Alice's Adventures in Wonderland page doesn't adequately address the other book and how elements have been conflated, but since their conflation applies to nearly every Muppet/Creature Shop Alice production... Unless you want to break both pages up into lists of characters used by the Muppets/Henson or something, which might work. --Andrew Leal (talk ) 03:45, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not it's a good idea to separate them, but the differences need to be addressed. And so long as the page is titled Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, it's misleading.  I was thinking we could have both books redirect to the more generic Alice in Wonderland and have separate headings for each book. -- <font color="Blue">Peter  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:47, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd prefer that. Alice in Wonderland already redirects to both. Dreamchild is the only one that's all from Wonderland; Alice in Wonderland (film) and The Muppet Show mix and match. I'm still not sure how seperate headings would work, though, in light of that, unless again, you wanted to detail specifically which characters/sequences came from which book. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:54, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Yay
Yay for alphabetizing the alphabet! This almost makes up for ruining Frazzle for me! Huzzah! -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:52, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Current events
Hey babe: When you get a chance, please come check out the discussion about character lists on Current events... I'd like to have your input. Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:45, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

thanks
Hi Peter, thanks for the help with my first additions to Wiki. Marcus clarke 05:49, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Manhattan Melodies
Hey, I saw you red-linked Manhattan Melodies, which is cool. The problem is, once created, where would the page go? I've been debating whether to create a category for fictional movies, plays, and TV shows in Muppet/Henson shows (someone already added a bunch to Category:Dinosaurs Culture). I'm not sure if we want them all bunched together, though. Alternately, a generic theater-theme category, for things like Prairie Dawn's Pageants, etc. Thoughts? -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * That question is too hard! -- <font color="Blue">Peter (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:46, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * But I'll think about it. -- <font color="Blue">Peter (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:46, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Religion and Politics
Religion and Politics: the two taboo dinner-table subjects on Muppet Wiki! I have more new entries to add for both, but if you have time away from the episode navigation and so forth, feel free to pitch in and help categorize the existing entries. (I need to get back to housecleaning). -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Ep nav
Hey sweets: Before you do all the early Sesame episodes, check out my question on Category talk:Sesame Street Episodes. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 13:49, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I think the ep-nav stuff on the Sesame pages is awesome, by the way. Very helpful and cool. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 16:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I've noticed that the SS pages are all over the place, style-wise.  Want to fix that, even if we don't have a complete guide for the episode. -- <font color="Blue">Peter  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 17:33, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Number Six
Check the Top 25, baby. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:56, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Welcome!
Thanks for the welcome, Peter. =] And my name's Frank. Ffeifanc 12:35, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Greased Lightning
Peter! We've missed you! Anyway, what's your source on Greased Lightning? It's true Grease had opened on Broadway in 1972, and the film would open three months after the episode debuted. However, the phrase "faster than greased lightning" or "just like greased lightning" had been part of the popular vernacular as far as the 1840s. Is there a source or context to indicate that the song and Grease were the *specific* motivation for the name choice? <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:46, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I got nothing. Oops.  -- <font color="Blue">Peter  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 13:40, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Tracking AOL IPs
There's some good news for us on this Wikia forum page... In the next software upgrade, we're going to be able to see the actual IP addresses for AOL users, rather than the randomly fluctuating ones that we've been seeing. That'll make tracking vandals and anonymous pests much easier; we won't have to block the same person a hundred times. I dunno when the upgrade is going to happen, but when it does, it'll be sweet like candy. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 09:54, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikia branding survey
Hey babe: I just responded to Wikia's branding survey -- they're using Wikia contributors as a focus group to help them grow as a company. The survey takes a while to fill out, but I think it's worth it. Whatever their plans are for the future, I'd like to have our voices heard as part of the planning. Here's my responses to the survey, if you're interested. I'm also posting this to Andrew and Scott. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:18, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

The Prodigal Pantalones
Can this be? Is it the Pantalones, back in action? -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 14:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Si si, oui oui, und ja vol! In the wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki room... -- <font color="Blue">Peter  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 14:28, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

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