User:Aleal/Talk Archive 09

Archive of Andrew's talk page.

KMUP basement
Hey, will this do? — Scott (talk ) 22:30, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

re: Television Academy
Check your email :) — Scott (talk ) 14:46, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Many thanks! I'm poring through it, hoping to polish up that page. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 17:24, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Another human
Here's another challenge for you -- the spokesperson in the Esskay Meats commercials was Pat McKenzie. I know you like tracking these folks down... -- Danny (talk ) 20:47, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yay! I kept wondering who Esskay's Pat was. I haven't been able to find anything about her so far, but that's not a deterrant longterm, and just having a full name is a start (I suspect she was probably a Washington DC based personality, or a company employee). I've mostly been working on places over people today, just did a start on sprucing up Japan (needs more images and better integration in spots, but it's a start), and I have some details and images from when Jim Henson, Kermit, and Piggy visited Moscow, for use on a Russia article. And I signed up for NetFlix, which means I can mine Creature Shop films without having to pay good money for them, and appropriately, one of the first arrivals, in addition to Big Bird in Japan, was Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Fodder for a critical examination of sport and martial arts in Japan! -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 21:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Awesome! Netflix is a very helpful resource -- that ought to be fun. Y'know, wiki fun. Our kind of fun. -- Danny (talk ) 21:25, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * So long as I don't rent Zebrahead (though I do have Strange Brew in my queue, which apart from actually being entertaining, will give me a chance to screengrab Thick Wilson and fix up that page). Increasingly, I'm finding a need to mentally distinguish "Wiki fun" from other enjoyment, and have a list of Muppety things I need to rewatch to just enjoy, and not to mine for Wiki references and facts. If such an experience is still possible. If not, who cares, I've got leads on the Sesame Street Comic Strip to follow up (eventually)! -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 21:30, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's a hard thing to do. I've given up trying. Wiki fun is the only fun. -- Danny (talk ) 21:41, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * By the way, I have another -- Bill Gibson as the Grocer in the 1962 On-Cor ads. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 23:43, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yay! Can't find a thing on him either, yet. Right now, I'm most impressed by American Machine & Foundry, Muppet spots for bowling balls. Wow. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 00:03, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Attention pages
Hey babe: I just looked through a lot of the Attention pages... I'll do more later. The problem is just that the pages get attention, but then people aren't sure whether it's okay for them to take the Attention tag off or not. So there were a lot of pages in the category that had been significantly improved, but still had the tag on. I took a bunch off, so that cleans up the category a bit. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 12:37, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

International Merchandise
I got a question about the international merchandise. Is the category only for unique items or is it also for stuff that have been translated for instance I got a few books that are translations of the US releases. The same with DVD releases, should they be added individually for instance The Muppet Show: Series One have been released in Denmark, but basically it's the UK version and the only difference is that the technical specification is on Danish. The same with the recent release of Muppet Treasure Island the front and back cover is translated to Danish but the disc is the same as the UK release or should there just be added a redirect with the translated name to the original release ? Rytter 13:17, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. If the books are completely translated, they count, certainly. I'm iffy on the DVD items, though, if only the disc specifications or blurbs have changed. That seems more like a trivia note worth adding. Or actually, now that I think of it, Brad had suggested something similar to Muppet Treasure Island (home video) for international stuff. So basically, the article would be titled Muppet Treasure Island (international home video) and note details on all international releases, even those with a modicum of change. That makes more sense to me, now that I think of it (though that applies basically to the DVD release, and not the film itself, since specific details on dubs or whatever are harder to squeeze into that format than just noting Region, language(s), etc.). -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 15:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well the specific dvd releases I speak about are not even dubbed, they have subtitles insteed. The books are completely translated, I will make a article this weekend on one of them, just to see how it works. Rytter 16:33, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That's what I mean. They could be noted in a catch all home video article. Look at Category:Videographies and you'll see what I mean, hopefully. Most of those releases just change packaging. So for the international items, as long as there is a change of some sort and not just an import, they could be noted there, by country rather than year. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 16:35, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

La Choy clerk
I believe you were looking for this? — <font color="Blue">Scott (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 20:55, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * No, actually! Him, Phil Grab, about whom we know nothing, I have! What I need is the housewife in the other spot, played by Saralou Cooper. Not even an image, in fact, but a comparison with Image:Saralou.jpg, to confirm if they're the same person. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 20:56, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, I've only got the ones with Mert and Delbert. Sorry. — <font color="Blue">Scott (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:07, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * That's okay. Your image is better quality than mine anyway, so if we ever do dig up some actual info on him, or decide to put the Toughpigs transcript up here, with images, it could still come in useful. I'm strongly tempted to just make an assumption, but the sourcing of Saralou Cooper as the woman in the Baker films comes from a YouTube user, albeit one claiming to be her offspring, so I'm a bit wary. In contrast, I'd finally found a recent photo of Jim Hutchison, now elderly, but the similarity in features, the career background, and the general unlikelihood of the Hutchison who worked on The Jimmy Dean Show and the one who was in Time Piece being seperate people persuaded me. Maybe I'll give Danny a poke again, either if he has the commercial, or a reminder to ask Karen Falk next time he has access to her shell-like. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:11, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * No, I saw that La Choy commercial at MT&R, a few years ago. My memory is that the woman was younger than the woman in that picture, but it's hard to say. Andrew, you should take a trip down to NYC to go to the museum one of these days... You'd eat it up. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:04, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I did, actually, last March! That's how I was able to add to The Wizard of Id, and was able to gaze at The Muppets Say Cheese. I spent too much of my visit sitting through The Cube, though (which I now have as a file anyway). Maybe I can take a quick bus trip up there on a weekend this semester, perhaps later in the month or in November, if I can get some things sorted out before then. I'd like to have transcribed Wizard of Id, for example (it's short enough), and I'm hoping they have a copy of that NBC White Paper "Ordeal of the American City" mini-series which featured a Henson-produced opening (though apparently it was put on VHS at some point). -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:11, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * You know, the Muppets are a really complicated subject to write about. Why didn't we choose something easier, like War and Peace? -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:15, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Because then we'd be spending our time debating whether or not it was in fact Audrey Hepburn who drove off the French in the 1956 film version, and creating rumor pages about whether Tolstoy in fact wanted to call it "War, What Is It Good For?" And somehow I think the Frackle fan equivalents would probably be rabid fans of Brothers Karamazov who think Tolstoy stole everything from Dostoyevsky. And do we even want to get into the Freemasonry bit? -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:26, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

A Thought I Just Had
Hey Andrew, remember when you mentioned that we prefer celeb pictures actually from their productions (naturally) rather than just stock celeb pics? That got me thinking, after I put up Antonio Sabato Jr.; perhaps a page much like Images Wanted, maybe titled something like "Celebrity Pictures Wanted" with a sentence therein saying something like "these celebrities have worked in Henson productions, but they either do not yet have a picture or their current picture does not reflect their connection(s)." Something along those lines...the list could be like:


 * Antonio Sabato Jr. -- Frito-Lay commercial (1996)
 * Kaye Ballard -- The Muppet Show Episode 123

Just a way to keep all these articles seperated from the large number of other already properly-pictured ones and get them fixed up. I don't think it could hurt, and since it helps so much with the Images Wanted, I'd think that it'd be a good to have for people like me who enjoy doing grabs and taking pics for the wiki wiki. Lemme know what ya think. :) --Cantus Rock 17:30, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I've been meaning to add Kaye Ballard, actually (finally bought the Season 1 DVD set). But go ahead and add it to Images Wanted, sure! I don't know if we need a seperate page, though. Just create a sub-section, and note what you're adding in the summary; I do agree, specifying the appearance wanted is helpful. Feel free to mention it on Current Events too if you feel it needs more attention that that. Some, like Ballard, will be easier to replace than Sabato. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 17:33, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah I meant to make a note in that first comment that I was planning on getting Kaye taken care of also; she was just the other example I had off the top of my head. And yeah you're right it can go on the Images Wanted page under its own section, that works. It is more for those harder-to-get images like Sabato, so keeping them all together will be good; in case someone comes across the commercial and then checks Images Wanted, they'll know whats needed without having to go to Sabato's page first (which would be especially problematic if they don't know they person's name). I'll get a couple compiled and set it up ASAP. I don't think anyone will really take issue with this if it's placed in the Images Wanted so I'll put it in without taking it over to Current Events, maybe putting a note like "See Andrew's Talk page" in the summary or something --Cantus Rock 17:49, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Matt, I think adding that to Images Wanted is a great idea. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 17:54, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * And so it is beganed! :-D I only did a few for now, I'll get some more on there later this evening. --Cantus Rock 18:55, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Looks great! I added one, Charles Kimbrough, since there's a few celebrity voice actors for whom we'll never have a "Henson" pic, but we can do better than the tiny thumbnails currently being used. Again, I like the specificity. The more specific, the easier it is for people to know where to look. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:04, 1 October 2006 (UTC)