Talk:Danny Elfman

Relevance?
I saw Danny Elfman's name in a connections list, so I thought "Cool, what did he do with the Muppets/Creature Shop?" And then I saw this page, and the answer is really "Nothing." We've had some borderline connections before (I'm still not a fan of our numerous "Random person posing with a Fraggle" at some event pages), but this is basically the "almost but not quite" category, like celebrities who appeared in The Earth Day Special but not with Kermit. After the list of linked pages, which is admittedly nice, it boils down to three potential points. Elfman music was used at the same Hollywood Bowl concert as a Muppet appearance, but *not* for any Muppet skit. There's nothing on the Hollywood Bowl page to suggest they even had anything to do with the Elfman portion (maybe they introduced it, and we sometimes have cheated a tad to count that as interaction, but right now everything we have suggests they didn't)

We have something similar but in fact even more of a stretch in my opinion, that Kermit and Miss Piggy introduced Cirque Du Soleil, and *they* used Elfman's music. That's almost like creating a page for people in movies directed by Frank Oz.

Here's the only one that strikes me as almost a connection, but even then it's very indirect and would really count more as a reference. "In 2011, Elfman's theme from the 1986 film Back To School was used in an AMC Theatres Policy trailer featuring the Muppets." That at least is a little more than just Elfman music and Muppets happening to be part of the same larger events. But it's still not much since lots of songs or music are used in trailers and promos, usually without the original composer even knowing beyond getting a residual check and definitely without personal involvement, so that would be more like the use of John Wayne clips on Muppet Babies.

So, unless there's anything else beyond what is on this page, there are two options. Reorganize the page and keep it as Category:Musical References for the song sampling (although one could almost just as easily make it a Back to School page, but Elfman is more fun as a connection). I do like the idea of having Elfman on the wiki so I have no real problem with that as a compromise. Or we just delete it until we have a real solid connection and just keep the Back to School thing as a note on the policy trailer page, which we've done in many cases like that, where it really isn't quite solid enough to justify a page but neat enough to note, especially if we have more. My main concern is just that Danny Elfman is being linked from pages as an actual Muppet connection, I clicked the link, and then find out he really doesn't have a direct connection. So even just reworking and relabeling would take care of that (and if we ever find a solid direct connection, which is still quite possible, we recat; I was able to do that just the other day with Ginger Rogers which means we can now legitimately add her to any connections lists on other pages). So that was longwinded and a bit nerdy (naturally). Thoughts? Otherwise, in a few days or a week, I'll be bold and just adjust myself. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 04:51, July 13, 2013 (UTC)