User:Toughpigs/Talk Archive 02

Archive of User talk:Toughpigs

Infinite
Hey, how does infinite block work? Do you just enter the word "infinite"? -- Scarecroe 22:00, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It's a drop-down on the "Block user" page. The last choice on the "expiry" menu is "infinite". Also known as "get out of my life". -- Danny Toughpigs 00:35, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, I never noticed that option. I think I'd been blocking using another method. -- Scott Scarecroe 00:10, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

WikiWikiWah!
Hey and yay, Danny! :) As I told Scott, I'm just avoiding homework for now, but I'll try to make myself useful on here every once in a while. Good to see y'all having a wicked wiki time! -- Julian GonzosNoze 22:53, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Anonymous Nonsense
Not sure where else to note this, but user 68.40.190.58 is back, now using the IP 204.38.191.99. --Andrew, Aleal 17:32, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Parody vs Caricature
Hey, what do you think of the conversation going on over at Category_talk:Parody_Muppets? I thought you'd have some good ideas on the matter. -- Scarecroe 15:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

domain name for use
would the muppet wiki like use of allmuppets.com? i bought it and have not really done anything with it other than play with ideas. i'm not sure who to talk to about this so i figured i'd just post this and wait for a response. let me know what you think. i can be reached at the temporary address of "wiki(at)allmuppets.com"

sincerely, Eric Muppet42


 * I actually don't know -- the tech person here really is Scott, so I'll let him know. -- Danny Toughpigs 01:05, 26 January 2006 (UTC)


 * We're probably all set with the use of a domain name for now. We haven't ruled out the possibility in the future though. Thanks for the offer! -- Scarecroe 15:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Sesamstraat Category
I made a start on the Sesamstraat category. Any idea where the category should go? I was thinking 'International Sesame Street Shows'... -- Jog 18:28, 24 January 2006 (UTC) Jog

Re: Category Tags
I wasn't quite sure whether to list performers alphabetically by first name or last name. Last name it is! -- Jog 08:18, 24 January 2006 (UTC) Jog


 * Oh, I didn't realize that was the question. Okay, good! -- Danny Toughpigs 10:30, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Categories
Is there a way for a general user to add categories? I think it would be a good idea to have categories for Bear in the Big Blue House Locations and Bear in the Big Blue House Books, but I'm not really sure how to add a category. Agent0042 06:55, 22 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's easy. Check out the Wiki FAQ, there's instructions there. Let me know if that's not clear, and I can walk you through it in more detail. -- Danny Toughpigs 18:36, 22 January 2006 (UTC)


 * 'K, I had a quick look and it seems to be pretty straightforward. I'll give it a try ASAP and thanks! Agent0042 04:07, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Featured Wiki
Heya Danny, do you know anything about the featured wikicities? I was goofing around on their site and I came across this [site]. What do you think, is it worth entering? -- JParanoid 06:27, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure, why not? Go for it! -- Danny Toughpigs 09:44, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * So, it seems that as long as all of our votes count, we're going to be the Wiki of the Month! According to the guy I wrote to a few weeks ago, we'll need to write up a description of the Muppet Wiki just like the previous winners.  I think you or Scott might be better at this than me, plus I don't have too much time in the next couple days to devote to it. -- JParanoid 18:29, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Vandal
Did you just welcome a vandal? -- Scarecroe 17:52, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * He wasn't a vandal, per se. An asshole, maybe. He posted on the Basil Hears a Noise page. Warrick had written: "The show is in French and American." User:69.198.189.253 added: "(note: We in Canada, England, Australia did not realize that the language we sopke was called American. Interesting.)"
 * So I corrected it, gave a mild reprimand in the edit summary, and gave him a welcome message. He hasn't posted anything else, so maybe that gave him the feedback that he needed.
 * It actually sounds like Sid to me. I don't know if you remember him. He caused a lot of trouble at MC, and he would have caused trouble on TP if I hadn't bounced him. He's a political crank. That snotty, self-righteous, unhelpful tone sounds just like Sid -- plus he's Canadian and has a chip on his shoulder about America, so I'd be surprised if it wasn't him.
 * So I don't think it was vandalism in the way that the guy who was posting porn links is vandalism. I think it's more of a misunderstanding about how the wiki works, how we speak to each other, and what kind of discourse is helpful. We'll invite him to get a user ID and participate. If he calms down and learns to spell the word "spoke" correctly, then maybe he'll add some useful stuff. If he's just here to be a dick, then he'll see how far that gets him. -- Danny Toughpigs 23:02, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Disclaimer for project in-development
I've been doing a lot of work on Dark Crystal stuff today. And I noticed that there were two Dark Crystal productions (the upcoming sequel and animated TV show) that were "in-the-works". There are some other entries on the wiki of in-development projects (the 2 Dark Crystal things, the Fraggle movie, America's Next Muppet…) These can be sticky situations, as a lot of stuff will change and nothing is 100% final or definitive yet. Some kind of template that would put a standard "warning/disclaimer" at the top of the articles about in-production project information could be useful. If there is one, let me know and I'll use it. If there isn't one, then I would suggest you (or someone) make one to help avoid rumors, confusion, and problems. Just a thought. -- BradFraggle 22:19, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's a good thought. I'll let Scott know too... -- Danny Toughpigs 22:21, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Muppet Babies
Hey, before you kill yourself changing the episode order in the MB category, they're all in order already. -- Scarecroe 22:56, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I know, but they're not under the season numbers in the category. If you put |101 etc in the category tag, then you can have all the season one episodes under 1, all the season two episodes under 2, etc. That's what I did with the Muppet Show eps. Then you don't need the "chronological list" page. -- Danny Toughpigs 22:59, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

SS Library
Well, it took me longer than I thought it would, but I got The Sesame Street Library done. All but Volume 11 which I can't seem to find. My write-up is pretty boring, but if someone were to come along and jazz it up, it might make for a nice Today on Muppet Wiki. Next up: Treasury. -- Scarecroe 04:43, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Awesome! Oh, that's pretty. I'm glad you did the contents, too. I was thinking about noting which books the contents came from (where we know it). I don't know whether to do it in the contents text, or just at the bottom of the page. Not that I've thought about it for more than two seconds. I don't have #11 either, but maybe Guillermo or somebody has it. -- Danny Toughpigs 04:59, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Not registering at Toughpigs Forum
Hi Danny

Sorry to ask this but if you could help I'd be very grateful. I registered at Toughpigs Forum a while back and every time I log in with the sent password and correct username this comes up:

'''There was a problem with this page. Please try again.'''

It always comes up with us when I type everything up right. Please help! -- Peter B.


 * Hi Peter -- That probably happened because you didn't put up your first name as your Delphi nickname, and you got locked out. Try registering again, and make sure you put your real name in, okay?


 * Also, when you're posting on talk pages here, you should put the new message at the top of the page, so that people can see it when they click on the page. Talk to you later! -- Danny Toughpigs 18:25, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry Danny, I will use the talk page like that in the future. I've reigstered as peterb100 which includes my real name so that will work right? -- Peter B.


 * You should also change your nickname to Peter B, with capital letters like that. -- Danny Toughpigs 04:59, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * I dunno if there's anything that can be done about it --- but if there's any way to put in some sort of actual message telling people why they've been locked out, then it would be good to have. 'Cause that happened to me too and it took the longest time before I finally figured out exactly what was going on. Agent0042 04:11, 23 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, 50% of the words on the forum's start page are on that very subject, including the two paragraphs right underneath the heading "Rules for New Members". I don't know how I can make it clearer for people. -- Danny Toughpigs 04:47, 23 January 2006 (UTC)


 * And that's a fair point --- but once a person is locked out, they no longer see that page if they're logged in. And if they just stop by like I did and don't read too closely at first, then bam, they're locked out and they never saw it. I mean, I just sort of showed up, tried to post, and was told that you have to wait 24 hours. So I waited, came back, and phoom, locked out and no further opportunity to see that message. (Until I came back without being logged in and finally read it.) Agent0042 06:26, 24 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I know, it's not a perfect system. I've tried to do it in a few different ways, and this is the one that seems to work best. It keeps out the trolls, and it creates a strong sense of community and conversation. I just have to trust that the good people who fall through the cracks of the system will look at the main page and figure it out, like you did. I'm sorry you had that experience, by the way; it's frustrating. -- Danny Toughpigs 06:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Gerardo
Gerardo is not a celebrity. I've never heard of him. Check your email! -- Scarecroe 04:02, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Don't be afraid of Gerardo. He's only here to make you happy. -- Danny Toughpigs 18:25, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Performers
Hey, check out the code on the Miss Piggy and Annie Sue pages. I created some performer templates. Use Template:Performer in most cases, and Template:Performer2 when there are two main performers. The code looks like this:
 * or

Basically, the code uses numbered placeholders which are filled in with the information that comes after the pipe when you all for the template in the code of a page.

I hate having all that HTML in a page. It looks messy and intimidating. And this template is pretty easy to use. If there are any characters with more than two main performers, I can make more templates, but I don't think there are. -- Scarecroe 18:56, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, that's a great idea. I hate having to cut and paste all that. So you learned some good stuff from "Thunderbird"! Yay. -- Toughpigs 18:59, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

more on talk pages
So, another thing we've been doing wrong on talk pages. Bulleting was a good idea in theory, except if you have more than one paragraph -- it doesn't line up the margin and things look messy. -- Scarecroe 16:06, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * But if we use a colon for replies like this, it creates a threading format which is how the other wikis do it. -- Scarecroe 16:06, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * And everything looks neater as a result. -- Scarecroe 16:06, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, I can dig it. Nobody follows these formats anyway except us. -- Toughpigs 18:59, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * They will. It's the wiki way. In the future, there will be two continents. Google America and Wiki China. -- Scarecroe 04:09, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey, what happens when we keep going back and forth like this? Eventually we fall off the right margin and into the Google ads. -- Toughpigs 04:12, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Re: Boring stuff

 * I politely disagree. I like seeing facts at the top of the page, like a movie glossary. That always draws me in to read the rest of the article. When I see a massive block of text right at the top, my eyes glaze over. I've said my peace. Do what you want. -- TomH 04:48, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * I guess we'll just disagree about that. I feel glaze-y about facts and figures. The way I see it, people are drawn in by a story, and a paragraph can tell a story. I don't think those particular paragraphs on those pages are any great shakes -- I took 'em off Wikipedia, and they don't exactly sparkle. But my solution would be to liven those paragraphs up a bit, make it more like a story. Maybe something about what led up to making that movie, what Henson was doing at that time. It's something for somebody to work on. -- Toughpigs 05:01, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * As for the video stuff, the distributor info is kind of wordy, I'll grant you. But don't we want people to know that they can buy Muppet videos now? Maybe a compromise - have an Amazon link at the top of the page, and put the distributor history at the bottom? -- TomH 04:48, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * No, that's the thing, we can't do Amazon links. There shouldn't be any shopping-type information on the wiki; we're not trying to sell anything. It's a bad precedent. Obviously, you and I would be posting them just out of love for the Muppets, but that leaves it open for somebody else to come in and post a link to the Muppet Central store, or their Ebay auctions, or whatever. So the rule of the wiki needs to be: No advertising. If people read about something and are inspired to go buy a copy, then they already know where Amazon is. I think what Guillermo's doing with the Fraggle Rock episodes is a good example -- just listing the video releases as information. -- Toughpigs 05:01, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, OK. Thanks for the clarification. I thought we actually stood less likely to get in trouble with Disney/Henson/Sesame for posting pictures if we turned around and gave them free advertising. Like Scott posting the video clips with "Please support Sesame Workshop!" at the end. But I guess that's an apples-and-oranges thing.
 * Funny thing is, I read your e-mail apology before I read all of this. As previously stated, apology accepted. Big hugs. -- TomH 01:30, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Re: Sesame Christmas LP

 * When I happened to look there, the formatting on the page was all wonky. The "Category" box overlapped the end of the page. "Keep Christmas With You" was the last visible track. I tried just hitting Enter several times to give the tracks more space. That didn't work. I tried adding "< P >"'s -- that HTML for "paragraph," to bump the "Category" box down a little. At first, it showed the actual P, which wasn't what I wanted. Then I played with it some more, and it looked right. I just went back there after looking at your message, and it's screwed up AGAIN! I'm out of ideas at this point. You got any? -- TomH 02:56, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't see any problem with the page; it looks fine to me. Maybe it's your browser? I dunno. -- Toughpigs 03:04, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * I was having the same problems with the Dark Crystal page. Then suddenly, out of nowhere, it fixed itself. So I went back to the Sesame LP page, and found that when I hit "Refresh," it automatically fixed itself. (shrug) I dunno. (Jimmy Stewart voice) Either I'm off my nut, or this wiki is. Or you are, Clarence! -- TomH 03:35, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * I vote for all three, including Clarence. -- Toughpigs 03:37, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Re: John Leguizamo

 * It's true, I saw a Captain Vegetable sketch with John Leguizamo as the Cap'n. It was on the Sesame network when I was interning there. -- JParanoid 16:51, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Signor Baffi

 * I figured out the Señor Boffy thing. The real name is Signor Baffi. I will redirect the page now! -- Jog 12:35, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Excellent! That was a good find. -- Toughpigs 12:49, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)