User:Toughpigs/Talk Archive 17

Archive of Danny's talk page.

Flotsam
What ho, yon Danny! A couple of things (before I log out to force myself to work on dossier stuff for at least a couple hours). First, when you get a chance, I'd appreciate your input on Talk:Episode 2895 (original). I think it's a nifty page, but I was unsure how best to title it. Secondly, my war against short pages continues apace (expanding when I can, deleting things like one-credit Canadian performers and Raposo songs which we have only vague titles and no details on; those will probably be taken care of as the episode guide expansion continues, anyway). Right now, the shortest entries, at under 80 bytes, are Limbo, The Sesame Street 1974 Activity Calendar, and The Sesame Street 1981 Mother Goose Calendar. You created the latter two (I couldn't find any images on E-bay), so if it's at all possible to add anything else to those pages, I'd appreciate it! -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 14:04, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, I haven't looked at that page yet... What a lovely thing! I'm going to have to look more closely. I'll have to post on the talk page, too.


 * I'm glad you've taken up the battle against short pages. I'll see if I can find photos for those calendars in the archives stuff I just scanned... -- Danny (talk ) 14:07, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you!
I've been so busy working on the "inside" of stuff, that I just now saw the main page! Thank you for putting the Muppet Discography on "Today on Muppet Wiki"! And thank you also for the cool picture of Jim and Frank working Ernie and Bert! -- Ken (talk ) 06:57, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * You're welcome! It's a great page, and I'm glad you're working on getting that stuff into shape.


 * You can actually nominate articles for Today on Muppet Wiki at Today on Muppet Wiki nominations, and you can vote for the picture at Main page picture nominations. So feel free to participate in those! -- Danny (talk ) 13:46, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Transcripts
Would it be all right to write a transcript for "Hello", the B-side of the Sesame Street theme single from 1970 (CC 75001)? It's a short skit welcoming people to Sesame Street, and it's never been made available anywhere else. I didn't even know about it myself until a few years ago. Since it's not an actual link on the picture chart of singles, I thought people should know what it is. I think I read somewhere that transcripts should not be made for something that's commercially available, but since this is an out-of-print 45, and only issued once, whereas the rest of SS1 has been reissued at least 4 times in its entirety, how do you feel about a transcript in this case? Thanks. -- Ken (talk ) 08:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * That sounds like the perfect subject for a transcript, though we do require a brief explanation of why each transcript is noteworthy (and not just because it's hard to find), i.e. what aspect of the show it demonstrates, a significant moment in Muppet history, or so on, but that shouldn't be too hard. Take a look at Muppet Wiki transcripts policy and Muppet Wiki transcript format to see how we do things. The emphasis is on "currently" commercially available, that is, DVDs and videos which you can easily get from Amazon and K-Mart and the like (or with albums, content which has been re-issued on CD and is likewise generally available), not something you'd have to scrounge through a rummage sale or rare e-bay listings for, since we don't want to infringe on Sesame Workshop's sales by giving away their content. Hope this helps! -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 14:43, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I just dug it out and played it a couple of times. It's Gordon, Susan, Bob, Mr. Hooper, and Oscar and Big Bird talking to the listeners and introducing themselves.  Since Big Bird and Oscar are on it, I thought there should be a page on it.  Does that sound okay to go ahead?  Thanks. -- Ken  (talk ) 22:17, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, go ahead! We won't be able to judge any further without seeing it, but it sounds just fine to me. Let us know if you're having trouble with the format. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 23:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Point of no return
Okay, I've been on here 9 hours straight. I guess that means I'm going to stay. So can you put me on the community portal as Ken C.? I'll do some more digging tomorrow. Oops, it's already tomorrow. Okay, I'll do some more digging later today, or whenever I get up. -- ErnieBert 11:13, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, I put you on the community portal! -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 00:23, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yay, I'm on the community portal! -- ErnieBert 07:42, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

The Electric Company
Hey, I finally found the Electric Company section! It's a really great section! I wanted to create a page for the records for it. How do I create a page? I'm doing great at copying lines and creating more lines, but I'm not sure how to go about creating a page. How do you start? Thanks! -- ErnieBert 08:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * We actually shouldn't have a page for The Electric Company records. We have an article about the show in TV Appearances, because the Muppets have appeared on the show -- but we don't have a section for it, cause it's not a Muppet/Henson show.


 * But here's how you create a new page: Just go up to the top address bar, and replace the name of the page you're on with the page you'd like to create. So if you're on this page, and you'd like to create a page called "Kermit in Thailand", then you just delete the User_talk:Toughpigs in the address, and put in http://muppet.wikia.com/Kermit_in_Thailand. Hit return, and it'll take you to a new page with that name. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 00:23, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Alternately, and somewhat more cautiously if you aren't sure that the page might exist under some similar title, put the name you want to call the page in the search bar. Check that nothing relevant shows up in the results and then click the redlinked pag title to create it yourself.  That works as long as the title doesn't end in a "!" which seems to wig out the search engine.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:25, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * If you would like to strart a page for Electric Company records, I'd suggest that you join Wikipedia and start a page there (if there isn't already one). --Minor muppetz 03:46, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * But I like it better here! Seriously (replying to Danny), I was wondering if TEC would be beyond the scope of the Muppets (other than what's already there).  The only reason I bring it up is that the second edition of their album (they only made one, first released on Warner Brothers after SS2) was released as CTW 22052.  And I was also wondering that if Anne Murray's album (CTW 79006) is actually a re-issue of one of her earlier albums and there's no Muppet content actually on it (I don't have it; that's what its page says), should we keep it just because of the title?  Or because it was on CTW Records?  Or should we NOT keep it?  I'm still wrestling with what is considered "canonical", if you know what I mean.  Since Joe Raposo did write songs for TEC, my opinion would be to at least mention it in the main article, since the second set of DVD's is mentioned, and I don't think there's any Muppet content on that set.  Sorry if any of this sounds pushy.  It's just that my main reason for including it would be because it was on CTW Records.  Let me know what you think.  Thanks. -- ErnieBert 05:57, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The thing is, we mention the DVD set on the article, not a seperate page (and if you feel it should be taken out, go ahead). If you want to write a brief note about album overlaps (and we already have a "Connections" section noting Joe Raposo's contributions), I think it would be a nice addition to the article, feel free! Anne Murray Sings for the Sesame Street Generation gets a page because of the title and because it was released *as* a Sesame Street record, not simply because CTW released it; it's an oddity all right, but the labeling of it, with the logo and all, as an endorsed Sesame Street product alone makes it relevant. The fact that CTW also released Electric Company records doesn't mean we should give them all pages, just as we don't have articles for every CTW TV show, just those which either had cross-overs or mentions or otherwise direct connections with Sesame Street beyond shared production and crew. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 14:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It's always a recurring question here of what to include and what not to include. I think the key principle is that this is a Muppet wiki, and the information here should have some connection to the Muppets and the Henson company. We're not a Children's Television Workshop wiki, or even a Sesame Street wiki.


 * Now, that's a tricky thing to define, and there are lots of examples that you could find where the connection to the Muppets/Henson is pretty tenuous. It's always up for discussion whether a particular thing might be notable or not. Now that I look at it, there are three trivia notes on The Electric Company page that I don't think are really notable for a Muppet wiki. But, like I said, it's a continuing conversation. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 16:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I wanted to clarify a couple of things. I'm only talking about one TEC cast album, so it wouldn't turn into something huge like the SS album chart.  They first released their album on WB, like SS2 did.  If that was all they did, I wouldn't care.  But since they re-released it on a Sesame Street label record later, like they did with the other WB and Columbia stuff (and it's on the back cover in the long list), that's why I wanted to at least mention it in the article near the DVD stuff, to give people who wanted to experience the show a note that a record was made.  So I personally feel that we should treat the Anne Murray album and the EC album the same way, since they were both released on SS label records.  I'm probably splitting hairs, but I hope this makes a little more sense.  I was thinking last night that you might not have known how many titles this would involve.  Thanks. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:40, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Ken! Since it was released by CTW records, I think it's certainly worth a brief mention on The Electric Company page we have as a connection. —Scott ( talk ) 22:57, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

The Muppet Show
I wanted to fix some typos and maybe even try to rewrite some parts of TMS article, but I can't get in! Is it locked for some reason, or just to me? I'm coming across that a lot. Thanks! -- ErnieBert 08:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the protection from new users is three or four days. You should be through it by tomorrow, and be able to edit everything. We're talking to the tech people at Wikia about removing that "waiting period" for new users; it's a problem. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 00:23, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

More questions
I feel like I should make a whole page called "Ken's questions for Danny", but I just thought of a couple other things. First off, when I log in and it says that I have new messages, does that mean just on my talk page, or does that include all other pages that people have responded to me on? (I mean, "all other pages on which people have responded to me?") If I've written all over the place, how do I make sure I don't miss any? Also, what if I want to respond to something on your talk page that's now buried pretty deep? How do you find my response? Do you have to go looking for it way down on the page? On a related note, is user talk open forever? Not that I'd want to go back and reply to something from December of 2005, but I've been reading tons of people's pages, trying to get a feel for what people are interested in, and what's they're working on. And I happened to find a cover picture we need, and I wanted to somehow bring it to the surface. (Of course, I forgot where it was, on top of that, so I guess I also want to know if you can search the talk pages, too.) Well, that should do it, so now I'm going to quit bothering you and go make the 45 pages like you told me to! (Just kidding!) Thanks! -- ErnieBert 02:48, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, Ken! I'm not Danny, but I can answer the first question for you. "New messages" works just the way it does on Wikipedia. It only tracks your talkpgae, as it's otherwise impossible to determine who is speaking to whom. And that will pop up with *any* new edit to your user talk page, including your own responses, archiving of old messages, etc. If you're writing all over the place, and you want to keep up, it's basically to you. One thing which helps is to check the "Watch this page" option when editing a talk page, or any other page you want to keep tabs of. Then any new changes to it will show up in bold in "Recent changes." -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:52, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Amen to what Andrew said. Also, if you want to bring up an old talk page discussion, then the best thing to do is to start a new conversation on that page. As you've guessed, if you respond to an old conversation, then it's possible that it'll get missed. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:06, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yay, we're finally on at the same time! I was going to start the singles, but I started getting sidetracked, reading stuff about Stan Freberg and Peanuts!  There's too much stuff to read on here! -- ErnieBert 03:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

redlinks
Hey, you've been removing a lot of redlinks lately. I can see removing them for pages we're never going to have, but in most cases, they're helpful for two reasons: 1) it encourages someone to create the page; 2) when someone does get around to creating the page, the link is already set up... because almost no one remembers to go back and link them up. I think both are worthwhile functions of the wiki process. What do you think? —Scott ( talk ) 20:10, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Good question. I admit that I haven't given it a lot of thought as a general principle. I just took the link off Are We There Yet? because it was completely mysterious -- a redlink on a disambiguation page with no image. I was confused by it when I saw it. I should have posted on a talk page instead of removing it, though. I'm sorry about that. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 20:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Discographies
Hey, Danny, I'm putting questions on the discographies, but I can't put a talk thing on the page, because there's no edit tab! Can you make sure people are seeing my questions? Thanks! -- ErnieBert 08:05, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

SS Episode Talk
Hey Danny -- there are a bunch of your CTW archive questions on SS episodes that really should come out of talk (it's been two months). Do you want to stump them? I went through and took out all the ones that seem to have been answered in some form. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:32, 2 March 2007 (UTC)