User:Merrystar/Talk Archive 03

Archive of Wendy's talk page.

Signs Update
Well, I put in for the album, so I'll let you know more soon! As far as all the extra tracks on Tiny Dancer's site, for some reason they put all of the talking sections as tracks, and I don't know why they did it that way. I haven't heard the album in years, but I'm almost positive that the way we have it with songs only is how the back cover has it, but I'll confirm that soon! -- Ken (talk ) 01:36, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. It might be good to mention all the talking sections on the page though... they sound like fun and are not exactly obvious (most albums today wouldn't have them).  -- Wendy  (talk ) 03:08, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, the only thing is that SS records have had a long history of talking before songs start, all the way back to SS1, and it's not noted on the back cover. So I don't know why that was even done that way.  We could write up the "story" of the album, which, from what I (dimly) recall, is Big Bird either walking along Sesame Street (or maybe even a big city in the "real" world), and meeting people, and seeing signs, and talking about them.  So it is one of the "concept" albums that came out after 1977 (the 1974 series was mainly recycled tracks from the first 6 albums between 1970 and 1973), and so has an album-length storyline. -- Ken  (talk ) 05:01, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

The Last of the Lost Albums
Hey, Wendy, thanks for all of your help! I just wanted to let you know that I only have 2 albums left that I don't have a catalog number for, in case you come across them before I do: 1) Cookie Monster and Grover: True Blue, and 2) The Best of Sesame Street. We have entries already, but they're not complete. Those will finish all of my personal data, and then I'll put them on the wiki! -- Ken (talk ) 06:41, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Those two are downright elusive; I've been keeping an eye out for True Blue since last fall and the Best of SS for a few months as well, mostly looking for pictures, but they just don't show up.    -- Wendy  (talk ) 03:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

ASCAP/BMI
Hey, Wendy! I finally had some time to mess around at ASCAP and BMI, and I'm in shock! Joe Raposo (or his estate, I guess) switched from ASCAP to BMI! I was freaking out because I couldn't find anything by him on ASCAP, until I thought to try BMI. When did this happen? Do the recent CD's reflect it? I only have mostly CD's from around 1995, at the beginning of the Sony Wonder years. I guess I'll have to buy the boxed set and see if that reflects the changes, huh? Anyway, other than not giving years, those are great resources! I'll be using them a lot! Thanks! -- Ken (talk ) 21:29, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I had no idea his stuff used to be ASCAP to be honest; I own mostly Muppet albums, and those don't even consistently give the publisher (eg. Music, Mayhem and More), let alone the society.   ASCAP and BMI are great tools; they're great sanity savers too rather than hunting down endless albums that all say conflicting things.  Glad you found the time to try them out. -- Wendy  (talk ) 23:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

SS2
Thanks for fixing SS2! I had it at 300 px, but I forgot about putting "thumb". Thanks! -- Ken (talk ) 20:09, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I Am Blue
Your description amuses me :) —Scott ( talk ) 19:32, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

New "cover" albums
Hey, Wendy! I saw your new entry for the Golden/Wonderland cover album. Something has been bothering me, and I wanted to ask you, since you seem to be the one most active in the same field with me. Are we going to try to get every cover record that's on a children's label? We haven't even really talked about the many 45's that go to the cover albums. Do you think that's beyond the scope of what we're doing? I'm not always sure how thorough on Sesame Street we should be, since some of it was produced by people totally independent of the Muppets. As a record collector, I love seeing all the new stuff we're finding. But I was wondering how you felt about putting all the records done by other kid's labels. -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess my theory is that at least some of them belong, although we may want to consider making a table/list of them rather than a page for each if it starts to get out of control with lots of pages that have little info that pertains to the wiki. Still, if it's called "Sesame Street Songs" and half the album is just that it seems like it belongs here to me.   -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Dept 56
Wow. Sesame Street Christmas collectibles (Department 56) is both creepy and fantastic, in equal parts. I would love to have that building, but all of the little "snow babies" give me the jibblies. That's an awesome find. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 13:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I've always been a bit creeped out by the snowbabies stuff myself. Not to mention confused.  I confess, the building is the only reason I was looking at that stuff at all.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:47, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Oscar Record
Hey, Wendy, I noticed that you put up the track listing for The Best of Oscar the Grouch. Do you happen to have it? I wanted to check something on the back cover. Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 17:53, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No, sorry but I don't have it. The album will crop up sooner or later on ebay again; you can maybe email the seller with your question when it does if nobody around here has admitted to having a copy by then.  I'll try to remember to keep an eye out for it again.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:08, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the reason I really want to find one is that Christmas Sing-Along doesn't have any titles and catalog numbers on the back cover, so that means that Oscar's album is the very last one with one. I'm still hoping we'll find more LP's dated 1983 and 1984, but I'm starting to think that that's it. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I found one! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Medleys
Hey, Wendy! Just thought I'd point out Muppet Show Medleys. Pretty much any name we come up with for those medleys will be made up based on one of the songs used anyway, so I figure this is a better way to track them. —Scott ( talk ) 01:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I just saw it -- it's a great idea. I'm always amused to see what they stuck together.  The Pearl Bailey one for example!   -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:26, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the one in the Hal Linden ep is pretty crazy if just for the juxtaposition of holiday songs. By the way, are we still stumping on Talk:Happiness Is? —Scott ( talk ) 10:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well we now know we need a page for both Happiness songs; still a bit of a stump whether she ever sang the Charlie Brown version on the show... but yeah, it could probably come out of stumping and make the new page.  Assuming the munchkin takes his nap soon I'll look at it.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 17:18, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Song Cleanup
Hey, Wendy! Thanks for all the song cleanup. I know a lot of my information isn't complete, but I wanted to at least create the pages so we could cross 14,000 articles by the 30th. When I have some time soon, I'm going to attack the songs that are missing things like years, and publishers, when I'm able to look them all up. Good research on the folk songs, too! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:58, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. Song stubs bug me to an irrational degree.   -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 15:06, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Needle Point
Hey Wendy. Something is worng with me not being able to get my pic in with yours. I did it just like i would by uploading a pic of a cover of a book but it's not working right with me. What am i terrible doing wrong? -- <font color="Blue">Kyle (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:55, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Kyle. I don't think you did anything wrong -- the picture of the Oscar kit is right there in the gallery.    That's a nice one!  Do you know what year it was made??  It might say somewhere on the package.  And did you have a second one?  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:44, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess i just needed to leave it alone. I would save it after getting the pic ready and then it wouldn't show up on the screen. That's all i meant. Glad to see it worked. I fixed it to say Oscar the Grouch and the year too. The other one i have to get someone to fix the pic. It's too big to fit on my scaner and my dad's camera has no batteries and i can't ever get the pic just right. It's either fuzzy or not big enough. I'll get it soon. -- <font color="Blue">Kyle (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 08:50, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

John Denver Christmas 45
Hey, Wendy! I had no idea you had put up another John Denver Christmas 45! My reference books didn't mention it. I wonder why they forgot it. Anyway, on the one you put up, with the Peace Carol, do you know which songs were on which side? I think I have to change the other one I did, based on some new information, and I was wondering where you heard about the one you did. Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:00, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately I don't know. I found it on an ebay listing which had no pictures.  I also found a listing at a place called vinyluk.com, so I just went with it.  Perhaps it was a demo or UK only release? You might be able to ask the seller.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:22, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a UK release. What threw me is that back in the '50's, RCA in the UK was called HMV (for His Master's Voice).  But that makes sense now that I look at it, because the numbers are too far apart when they would have come out the same month, and my reference books are known for being extremely thorough and reliable.  I hope we can still find a picture, though! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:49, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

no red Rowlf
In addition to the discussion on my talk page, I just thought I'd point out that we no longer have any red links on Rowlf at the Piano. And that's pretty cool of us :) —Scott ( talk ) 05:37, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yay! I believe "Sailing, Sailing" was the last of the redlinked songs on the episodes as well.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:16, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Excuse me, Wendy, but I noticed when I looked at the article, that the dashes look longer than what I usually see on articles, even though the "inside" of the page looks like it has normal dashes. Do you know how to make different size dashes?  I've been trying different things on the album pages, and I was wondering if different dashes would look better than what's there now, or if you can make ones that are different sizes.  Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Scott made those; I don't known any obvious standard keyboard way to make them; I think they are a special character like the ¡. So as with that you can always just copy his dash to somewhere handy and then use it as needed. They are pretty.  His signature on the talkpages also uses them.  On my display they are obviously different (longer) even on the "inside" of the page.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:40, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you think we should maybe discuss a dash style guide so that all pages look uniform? -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:48, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure. Although it's not clear to me that every dash in the wiki needs to match, it might be nice if all the album pages used the same dashes along with all the other standardization you're introducing.  While it's obvious that Scott likes the long dashes,  I suspect the rest of us are just lazy and use the keyboard dash because it's handiest.   -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:58, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Copyrights
Hey, Wendy, seeing as how we're all talking about songs and blue boxes and stuff, some of the Sesame Street songs are now getting to be old enough to start being renewed. This is especially noticeable on CD reissues where the publisher is either a different name from the LP version, or there are now two names. What should we do in those cases? Use the old name, new name, or both? Thanks. -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I always use the most recent publisher I can find because they currently control the rights. I don't think it much matters who controlled the rights in 1972 when a given album was made. Usually this means I take whatever is in ASCAP or BMI over what a CD/LP says; those databases aren't infallible, but they are at least a reasonably comprehensive single source.  If I can't find a listing there, I use the most recent info from wherever (CD, published music, etc).  I'm not sure how others go about it; many people ignore the field altogether.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Slow?
Hi, Wendy -- I've asked Scott and Andrew, but neither of them are answering... :) Is the site running slow for you today? It feels like it's taking forever, especially hitting "Recent changes", which is taking about 15 seconds to load completely. I'm talking to the Wikia tech guy, who says it's running fine for him. Does it seem slow to you? -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:36, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Not really. I just tried recent changes which took about 5 seconds to load which is roughly normal. I've noticed occasional slow loads as I've been hitting the endless "unprotect" tabs, but they are intermittent.   -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:45, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Weird! So what's up with my connection today? Thanks... -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:00, 6 April 2007 (UTC)