User:Toughpigs/Talk Archive 14

Archive of Danny's talk page.

Little Bo Peep
Hey Danny -- I was trying to straighten out "Little Bo Peep", as there were links to her from both Mother Goose and SS. In terms of the latter, Bo Peep already exists. I was going to move her over to Little Bo Peep (SS) but noticed that you had included info from the SS character guide, suggesting that, in fact, "Bo Peep" is a distinct named variant of "Little Bo Peep" and should be included as such, while retaining her own page. Would that be right?? Or should I just moosh them all together? -- Wendy (talk ) 01:41, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't think it matters... Moosh away! -- Danny (talk ) 01:43, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Why did you delete the links?
Hi Danny, can you tell me why u delete the links on International Sesame Street? Is there an other page where I can put a link to my website? Or is it for an other reason? -- Pino (talk ) 01:52, 8 December 2006 (CET


 * Hi Paul: I took the links out because we don't usually have extra links on the category pages. If you want, you can make a new page for your site, in the Muppet Fandom category. You can also add a link on the Sesame Street page. -- Danny (talk ) 15:14, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

insomnia
Argh -- I can't sleep! See you in 18 hours! — Scott (talk ) 05:53, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Play With Me, Sesame Characters?
Hey, Danny! Do you know if there were ever any Muppet pigeons on Play With Me Sesame? I just created a page for Juega Conmigo, Sésamo (Spain), a dub which premiered this fall, and the cast list I found for it mentioned two birds (which Babelfish translates as "dove," but in context, more likely means pigeon). Also a few other names like "Shirley" and "Guido" for which I can think of absolutely no logical Muppet counterpart. It reminded me of the Italian dub with names we couldn't match, like "Bingo Rock." Which would be a pretty good name for a Muppet at that. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 03:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The only real characters in PWMS were Bert, Ernie, Grover and Prairie Dawn, at least in the first season. Any other characters who would need to be dubbed are from the inserts. So those names could be a bunch of things -- random puppets from an insert, animated characters from an insert, even inserts from the original Spanish version of Sesame. "Davey and Guido" might be Joey and Davey Monkey -- if they're being dubbed, then one person could conceivably perform both voices. So I think your use of question marks is reasonable, for now. -- Danny (talk ) 03:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Right. I was asking if there were any new pigeons, but I assume not then. The package does seem to be a mix of multiple seasons (since it includes Ernestine, for example). Guido isn't Davey since we already have a Joey. I'm also amused by "Small Pencil" (Lapiz Miniscula), which is probably from a cartoon or other insert, but that they recorded who voiced him. And yeah, I'd noticed we'd used question marks on Sesamo Apriti, and this seemed like a parallel case. I also stumbled on a cast list for Barrio Sesamo, but that one's harder, not just because of possible redubs, but because it aired in both Castilian and Caatalan, so there were two seperate casts, and I haven't been able to untangle them. I *have * found the cast to the Quebecois Canadian dub, pre Sesame Park, which thanks to your CTW research, we know have premiere dates for and title, Bonjour, Sesame. Ain't multiculturalism grand? -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 03:48, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * You're a genius. Unfortunately, you happen to be a genius about subjects that are completely retarded, so you aren't recognized as well as you might otherwise be. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Harrumph. Sir, I consider your remarks to be inimical to good fellowship. Plus the fact that outside of my Muppet endeavours, I am in fact presently engaged on potentially ground breaking work involving the mixed motives behind the National Film Board of Canada's depictions and "collaborations" with Inuit artists, suitable for both anination conferences and Native studies journals. So there. (Which is not to say that the treatment of multiculturalism and such in the academy is not subject to fits of "retardation," as you so crudely call it, but it *is* recognized.) :) -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * No, no, man. I'm talking about what we're doing here, scrutinizing the cast lists for Spanish Play With Me Sesame (you) and inventing increasingly complex systems for keeping track of which episode a random insert appeared in (me). I intend nothing but good fellowship. We are both geniuses and we are both retarded, and that's why we've become friends. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:01, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * True enough. I'm just intoxicated with the haze which comes of cold combined with cold medicine combined with doing Wiki work because I don't feel like stressing over what to put into another brilliant final paper right now. Plus I can't resist any opportunity to use the phrase "inimical." -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:04, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Get my email?
If not, just so you know, I got your package. Juicy stuff, I must say. Thanks! --MuppetVJ 04:16, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Main Page
Whoah, can we talk about that before moving it? I think the problem is that Google hasn't indexed us yet. I was going to do some sleuthing on that soon to find out why. I think it should stay at Muppet Wiki. — <font color="Blue">Scott (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:39, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, sorry. That was rash, I guess. I was just googling "Muppet Wiki", and I was frustrated to see that they're still indexing us at "Main Page". I didn't realize that it was possible to do sleuthing. I'll move it back. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:53, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I think we moved it for all the right reasons. Our page rank is only 5/10 at Main Page versus 2/10 at Muppet Wiki (which I did watch go up from zero over a couple of months). It occured to me that Wikia may still be broadcasting Main Page instead of Muppet Wiki and that might be holding us back with Google. Also, every place I've submitted the links to over the past few months are pointing to Muppet Wiki. I would have just done muppet.wikia.com, but I was hoping to crush the old Main Page links that were out in the blogosphere.


 * I'm busy off-and-on today, but when I get some time to focus on something, I'll be digging deeper on this. — <font color="Blue">Scott (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 20:00, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Sesame Street Live
Wow. Poring through the bios, credits, and images from your archive visit is amazing. I'm actually mildly disappointed there's no suit performer cast list for Sesame Jambaoree, mostly because I've found some unexpected discoveries in the cast of A Sesame Street Mystery: The Case of the Missing Rara Avis, mostly the presence of actual Broadway people. Both voice and suit performer for Phineas T. Barnswallow were supplied by Grenoldo Frazier, who played Barnaby in the Pearl Bailey version of Hello Dolly, composed a musical about Moms Mabley, appeared as a day player on One Life to Live, and most relevant to us, his bio (not from the archives) states that he provided singing vocals on "Disco D." Roger Kachel, who played the walk-around Ernie, was on Cats on Broadway for decades, mostly as Mungojerrie, and also toured as a Ninja Turtle. And finally, Buz Suraci, the additional puppeteer from The Muppet Movie who was deleted since we couldn't find out anything else about him, played Oscar and a constable! Apparently he was/is a Washington D.C. native. So there you go. Most of this may not matter to you, but I found it pretty darn interesting, I suppose partially since I'd tended to assume that nearly all Sesame Street Live performers were roller derby refugees or just slightly higher on the theater scale than the poor kids in suits at Disneyland. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, that's fantastic. The thing that excited me about distributing those pages to everybody was that I knew we would each find different parts interesting. If I'd kept that to myself, I'd never have bothered to look closely at that stuff. I'm so glad that you're finding cool treasures in it!


 * I'm already planning for what I want to look at on my next visit... Box #2 has the entire run of the CTW newsletter, and Boxes #21 and 25 have correspondence with Jim Henson and the Muppet Show folks. So: Yay. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:53, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I just made another odd little find, this book, Feathers of Color: What Was it Like Playing the Famous Bigbird, "An American Icon. Seriously. Lionel Douglass, who played Big Bird in the first four Sesame Live tours, and has also been Danny Glover's stand-in in movies, wrote a book about the experience. I'm honestly not quite sure how to classify it. Oh, and Douglass'|IMDb page includes a photo of him half-in the bird suit. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 23:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * That's fantastic! What an odd thing. We can have a page for that -- it can go in Non-fiction Books. Lovely. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 23:35, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yay! And I just howled with laughter at the title suggestions. I so need to turn that into a page. I think Wait for Wadooo and Don't Be a Loser are my favorites. Looks like the Sesame Street Pitch Reel's depiction of the process actually wasn't all that far off! -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 23:40, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Fatawhatever
Hey, what's the "still stumping" issue on Talk:Fatatatita? From the discussion, it looked like Scott had figured it out, and the talkbox was just as a heads up. Unless the stumper is why the Count has two pets with eerily similar and hard to spell names. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:07, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * No, that question is unresolved. The article is about the Count's cat, but the extra names given may apply to the bats. Somebody needs to do whatever research is needed to tease out which name is used for which animal, and we'll have to create another article for the bat. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:11, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, okay. You or I should probably add that, then, since it's not obvious (or wasn't to me) from the talk page. Scott's statement seemed to imply that Ftatatteetet whatever, with more ts, was clearly the bat, as leader of a musical group. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:13, 1 December 2006 (UTC)