User:Scarecroe/Talk Archive 01

"Don't forget" template
I created a new template, for people who have been posting with an IP address for a while. Template:Dontforget Lemme know what you think... -- Toughpigs 00:30, 31 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Muppet Show episodes
I did it! I finally finished adding all the TMS episodes. Phew! -- Toughpigs 20:26, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Welcome
Hi, I'm the annony that was editing the Monster at the end of this book page. I think I may stick around a bit more here, not alot, but now and then. You're added to my bookmarks at least, for what it's worth. I'd like to help a bit with the welcome template, if that's okay. But it would mean unlocking it for a short while. Also, if you'd like the template to not show as just "welcome" when you post it, try typing. That'll save a static version of it on the page. I'd like to integrate signatures right into the template, but that'll mean unlocking it breifly. 19:43, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Episode pages
That's just for me. When I want a particular TMS episode, I don't necessarily know what the episode number is, so I put "episode burnett" in the search box. I'm making the redirect pages so that'll go straight to the episode, without me having to click on the page. Does that makes sense? -- Toughpigs 17:33, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
Hey, babe. What are you up to? -- Toughpigs 04:26, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Me too. I'm not quite tired enough to go to bed, but I'm too tired to do anything except bring up random pages and correct typos. How was Christmas? -- Toughpigs 04:30, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Warrick's main page image
I moved Warrick's Kermit image down to the bottom of the page, and I think it looks really cute there. -- Toughpigs 14:50, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Cool, I'll see if I can do up a sharper version at some point. -- Scarecroe 14:57, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Performer box
 Performer: Frank Oz • (1975 - 1999) Eric Jacobson • (2002 - present)

 Performer: Frank Oz


 * Hey babe: I asked you about this last night, but I don't think you've been around, so I just went ahead and started putting these up. These are performer boxes which I've been using at the top right of character pages. What do you think? They mostly work great, except there's a couple pages -- Gonzo and Bunsen -- where it screws with the formatting somehow. On both pages, the picture under the box overlaps with a word of the text. Can you figure out what's going wrong there? I can't get it. -- Toughpigs 20:09, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh, I get it -- it's because the picture and the box are different sizes. Either the picture has to get smaller, or the box has to get bigger on those pages. -- Toughpigs 20:10, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)

I'm a stupid friend

 * I'd already created a Muppet Show Calendars category, so I switched your Muppet Calendars stuff over there, and I added a bunch of pages for various calendars. And then I added the Treasure Island calendar, and I realized that you're right, this should be a Muppet Calendars category. And then I realized that it should go in Muppet Merchandise (instead of Muppet Show Merchandise), and I should also change Muppet Show Books to Muppet Books, and Muppet Show Action Figures, and Muppet Show PVC Figures, and all the articles therein. And just thinking about it made me very, very tired.


 * So, just so you know: I'll get to that at some point. -- Toughpigs 19:21, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * All right, I went and did it, except for the Action Figures category, which is so hideously large that I couldn't deal with it. -- Toughpigs 22:02, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Current events page

 * Hey babe: I just revamped the Current events page to be the general list of guidelines and tips. What do you think? -- Toughpigs 17:48, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * Awesome, those are good additions. Yay. -- Toughpigs 18:51, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)

The mystery of ñ (EN-yeh)

 * How do you make an ñ? Besides copy and pasting it from somebody else's ñ, that is. -- Toughpigs 02:12, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh. Really? Huh. Copying and pasting is easier. Wiñdows stiñks. -- Toughpigs 02:19, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * True. If you're on a Mac, all you gotta do is type option(alt)-n, then type n again, and you've got yourself a ñ.--MuppetVJ 19:08, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Shortcuts

 * By the way, have you noticed that there's shortcuts for some of the major functions? Alt-E is Edit, Alt-R is Recent changes, Alt-Z is Main page, Alt-T is Talk page, Alt-C is the article page, Alt-H is History. It took me a while to figure that out, but it's useful. So if you haven't seen 'em yet, then there they are. -- Toughpigs 01:35, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Categories on the navbar

 * Hey babe: Colby just left a message for me about putting the category index on the navigation bar. I know you were looking into that -- did you figure anything out? Is it even possible for us to change that? -- Toughpigs 20:01, 15 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * Y'know what? I'll ask Nick about it. Maybe he knows. -- Toughpigs 20:14, 15 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * I asked Nick who to talk to. -- Toughpigs 20:47, 15 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * Nick gave me the name of the person to talk to: Jasonr. He also told me about this: http://www.wikicities.com/wiki/Wiki_configuration which apparently gives you info about how to mess with your wiki. He says: "Doesn't solve your problem, but it might lead to the answer." I just left a message on Jasonr's page, so I'll see what we can find out! -- Toughpigs 05:23, 17 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * Hey, Jasonr did it for us! "Category index" is on the navigation bar now. Yay! -- Toughpigs 21:14, 17 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Recasts

 * Hey Scott: Could you check out the Recasts section on the Scooter page and let me know what you think? I'm trying to figure out a template for characters that have had a bunch of recasts so that we can know not only when the recasts happened but what productions they cover.  Thanks.--Pantalones 21:01, 13 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * Ooh, tables sounds cool. How do we do tables?--Pantalones 22:05, 13 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * Interesting. I've done a whole bunch now, and one thing I've done is not to organize them by date.  First main performer goes first (i.e. Richard for Statler), then subsequent major performers in chronological order (i.e. Jerry and Steve for Statler).  Then, if there have been any minor, interim or one-shot performances (i.e. Drew for Statler), I put those under a line.  I've been thinking about actually labelling the ones above the line Major Performers and below the line Other Performers (or something like that).  How does that sound?  And could we do something like that with the tables?  I've done pretty much every one of Jim, Frank and Richard's big Muppet Show characters, by the way, in case you want to check them out.  Thanks.--Pantalones 00:10, 14 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * I like the table on the Scooter page... very cool. Would it work if there were just three columns? (Performer, first, most recent) Then the row could be: Richard Hunt -- The Muppet Show (1976) -- MuppetVision 3*D (1990) and then so on like that. When I looked at it, I found myself scanning back and forth across the row to match up the show and the date. -- Toughpigs 00:21, 14 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * OK - so I've found a great page on how to make tables in wiki (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table), but I'm finding that the table format might be constricting. For example, Jerry's first Statler performance was in 1975 and his last was in 2002.  On a chart, that's misleading and confusing, when Richard is listed as going from 1976-1990.  I think this is a case where the list format is just more versatile, especially since recent casting changes can be so wacky.--Pantalones 01:02, 14 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Talk template image

 * Hey babe: I'm working on a template that people can post on articles when they've just posted a question on the talk page, so that it's more clear when there's a question that needs to be discussed. It's here: Template:Talk. I took it from Wikipedia, where there was a little image of a hand: Template_messages/Disputes. The hand image wouldn't be appropriate here, so I was wondering if you could come up with a little version of the Kermit eye logo that we could use for this. We could also use that for announcements or other little boxes. What do you think? -- Toughpigs 00:02, 13 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * Awesome. You're lovely. -- Toughpigs 02:09, 13 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Performer pages

 * It's less overwhelming for me to focus on one area so that eventually I'll be sure I've covered most things. And no one else seems to be doing it. Right now it's mostly copying and pasting, which I can do well from my temp job. Wiesnerc 22:53, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Image Removal

 * Scott, I've had to retitle and upload some LP images making some old file redundant. Would you be willing to delete the following jpgs?
 * GroverBluesLP, ErnieHitsLP, CountCountsLP, HornGrover536, SS1Reissue and KermitSSEpisode1.
 * I'm sorry for the trouble...I think perfectionism might be getting the best of me : ) - Scotty J. 21:23, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Muppet Character Subcategories

 * I've been making subcategories for the Muppet Characters - Muppet Show, Jim Henson Hour and Muppets Tonight for starters. My intent is to keep the general list of Muppet family of characters, but to also have a cross-referenced list of who appeared in which show (and perhaps, in the future, movie).  Danny correctly suggested that this would lead to Kermit being in a billion categories.  Do you think it makes more sense to have character lists on the Show articles?  My problem with lists is that they're harder to upkeep.--Pantalones 21:05, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * Also, categories (and, obviously, subcategories) don't show up on search results, which is in the lists' favor.--Pantalones 21:07, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * I guess. Except lists don't automatically alphabetize.--Pantalones 21:23, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Templates

 * Also: How do you make templates? I can't figure it out. -- Toughpigs 18:00, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks... I just made templates for Template:Welcome, which is for the talk page of people who don't have user names yet. I also made three warning messages for vandals: Template:Vandal-1, Template:Vandal-2 and Template:Vandal-3, and posted info about them on the Muppet_Wiki:Vandalism page. Just FYI, for when we need 'em. -- Toughpigs 20:54, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Muppet Show vs Muppet

 * Okay, you're right about using "Muppet" instead of "Muppet Show" -- that's what we're doing with the Muppet Characters category.


 * So should we move Muppet Show Action Figures, Books, and Merchandise? The Action Figures include Johnny Fiama, etc, and I think it would be silly to have a separate thing for MT Books, or Muppets From Space Books.


 * Muppet Show Episodes, Guest Stars and Sketches can stay as they are, because those are actually TMS specific. What do you think?-- Toughpigs 18:23, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Sesame Street CDs

 * What do you think about combining the Sesame CDs category with the Sesame Records category? I would consider both of them Records -- and most of the CDs are just reissues of LPs anyway. Scotty's been putting (LP) on all of the articles he's creating; we could put (CD) on the CD versions. Also, right now there's Muppet Show Records, Muppet Show Albums and Muppet Records -- I'm going to see if I can figure that out. -- Toughpigs 13:35, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * I've been thinking about the same thing for some time and I think that's a great idea. The only catch is if we were to get really ambitious and catalog the 45's that have been released.  If that's the case perhaps the category could be "Muppet Recordings" or "Sesame Street Recordings."  I don't know if I'll spend the time going through all the 45's that have been released as there are so, so many and I haven't bothered to collect any of them but a trifle.  So, I'm comfortable consolidating all recordings under one catch all category and "Album" is fine with me.  By the way, I too dig the SS classical section.  That's awesome.  -- Scotty J. 17:18, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * I like that you guys put everything in Albums, that's cool. What do you think about Muppet Show Albums as opposed to Muppet Albums? I know they're not all for TMS, but it would go with the rest of them on the category list -- Muppet Show Books, Muppet Show Toys, etc. I think we're sort of using "Muppet" and "Muppet Show" more or less interchangeably anyway. -- Toughpigs 17:57, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)

You're hilarious

 * I love that everyone gravitates towards the little bees in our bonnets. I saw earlier tonight that you'd created a Sesame Classical category, and I couldn't imagine what would go in it. Little did I know. You're a superstar. -- Toughpigs 04:56, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)

SS Episode Images
Scott, I've been uploading some images to represent highlights from the cataloged SS episodes. But tonight I got to thinking that it might be better to hold off until I have a better understanding of what size might be desired. Is the standard 300x300 or are we just trying to keep things under that? If the latter is the case, should we establish a standard for SS episodes?

By the way...as many others have said, this is way addicting and so appeals to the archive geek in me too. I love it.

Scotty J. 01:43, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)

RE: Up Late/Celebrates

 * Yes, I think you have it correct. I added some more information to the page, I haven't seen the home video release (or at least can't remember watching it), but from what I've heard over the years from the web-community it is the two are the same. The summary I posted of the TV special may be able to help you conferm/deny this. But I've always been under the impression that the Sesame Street Stays Up Late! special and the Celebrates around the world video were the same. -- GregJames

Album Covers

 * Scott, I've been thinking about uploading some albums covers along with information I've been posting in the Sesame Street Records Category but a few things are giving me pause. 1) I can't figure out how to upload an image and was wondering if you could help me out and 2) I am wondering if posting the covers would be a copyright "no-no" and would love to hear your thoughts or anyone else's on that. -- Scotty J.


 * Thanks, Scott. I'll see what I can do. -- Scotty J.

We've gone public!

 * All right, I just posted the link on TP, and sent it out to the mailing list. For better or worse, the wiki's public now. Cue the oncoming storm... -- Toughpigs 22:15, 11 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Muppet Central images

 * Hey babe: I just noticed that Tom posted a bunch of images yesterday taken from Muppet Central... They had that shaded border that Phil puts on everything. I know Phil's not big with the sharing, so I took them down. I left a message on Tom's talk page about it. Just FYI. -- Toughpigs 19:35, 11 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Getting listed

 * Just wait until we're listed in Google! I'm planning to post this on TP later today... There's a few more things I want to tidy up, and then I think we're good to go. Yay! -- Toughpigs 17:18, 11 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Liberated links

 * I figured out how to turn off the underlined links, but only for the individual. It's in "preferences," under "Misc Settings". I wonder if there's a way to make that the automatic default for the whole wiki... -- Toughpigs 07:09, 11 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Yesterday

 * Lots happened. I missed you. -- Toughpigs 15:22, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * I know. Last night was my late night. It was pretty awesome, though. This is like Muppet fan crack. I've been working in the living room, on the coffee table, and you should see the stacks of reference materials piled up around me. By the way: You should post new messages at the top of Talk pages. Also by the way: I fought with Peter for hours yesterday about Category Sanity, and then you came in today and put Fraggle Rock back in the Fraggle Rock category. You guys win; it's fine. -- Toughpigs 15:35, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. I'll live with it. By the way, yesterday I discovered some cool and helpful things. "What links here" is a very useful little tool, it's on the left navbar. I'm working on the Jon Stone page right now, and it's cool to be able to see at one time what pages he's on. Also, if you go to "preferences" at the top right of the screen, you can change your time zone. I'm in Eastern time! -- Toughpigs 15:55, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * This one's for you, babe: Evening at the Pops. John Williams is in the house! -- Toughpigs 16:07, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Title Cards

 * Message #3 in the last two minutes: By the way, have I mentioned how much I love the title cards that you've put up? Very classy, very beautiful. They look great. Yay. -- Toughpigs 21:58, 7 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Reporting

 * No problem, I'll hold off on reporting for now. Just let me know when you're ready, and be sure to help let the whole community know of this awesome creation. -- GregJames

Music

 * And there's something else I was talking to Peter about -- see what you miss when you're not here for like five minutes? He created the You and I and George page, and I told him I wasn't sure that was a good idea. I don't know all the ins and outs of the copyright stuff, but from what I saw, it seems like posting lyrics is a copyright violation. So if we create a page for a song, then that obviously invites people to post the lyrics. We should look into it more before you go more deeply into a Music category... -- Toughpigs 21:57, 7 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Stage Shows

 * Hey this place is awesome! Still getting accustomed to the tools, options, and format. I was wondering if there is a place yet for stage shows (Sesame Street live, Bear in the Big Blue House Live, Muppet Show live, the old Disney World shows, and whatnot), I couldn't find any, but wasn't sure. Still trying learning. -Greg


 * P.S. - Also I hope to share the news of this place on The Muppet Newsflash (if that's alright). If you have anything specific you want me to report on or highlight let me know. GregJames

UK Spots

 * Hey Scott, I had included an article for UK Spots under the Sketches category. Not sure if you saw it.  Do you think it works better as its own category?  I thought the page could be more of a chronological listing. --Pantalones 22:41, 7 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Muppet Monsters

 * Hey, babe! I saw you're creating a Muppet Monsters category. Peter actually made one yesterday, but we decided that it made more sense just to do it as a page. So there's now a Muppet Monsters page, which is part of the Muppet Characters category.


 * We were also talking about a general guideline about categories and sub-categories. The Muppet Monsters category that Peter had created was a sub-category of Muppet Characters, but it screwed the whole page up. The page had the sub-category at the top, and the list of articles underneath -- it was very unbalanced. So we were thinking that it made sense for a category to have either articles or subcategories, but not both. That doesn't apply directly to the thing you just made; I'm just catching you up on those thoughts. -- Toughpigs 21:47, 7 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Artists

 * "Artists" seems vague to me as a category title. Maybe "Illustrators"? Toughpigs 15:10, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Documentaries

 * Right now, TV Specials has two sub-categories: TV Specials and Documentaries. Can we make Documentaries into its own category? Toughpigs 13:24, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Redirect pages

 * Hey babe, we need to figure out how to use redirect pages. The links are case-sensitive, so Jog's link to Muppets from Space turned into a red link. I had to change it to Muppets From Space . But we could make redirect pages with all the variations. Toughpigs 12:42, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Categories

 * Hey babe: You can put performers under their last names by doing this:


 * -- Toughpigs 18:51, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)