User:MuppetArchives/Current Events 15 (Dec 2006)

Archive of Current events discussions.

Earliest Known Appearance and First Appearance
I created some new templates -- we now have "First Appearance" along with "Earliest Known Appearance" for episode pages, and articles about inserts. I added some information to Muppet Wiki:Earliest Known Appearance that explains how to use First Appearance. That should be used very cautiously, and only when we're absolutely certain that we know the first appearance of an insert.

Check out Jazz (song series) to see both EKA and First in action. Does the distinction between those make sense? Does anybody have a comment or a question about it? -- Danny (talk ) 11:50, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

The Impostors
Check this out (click the mp3 link under "Sound Clip"). 1992 was an interesting year in music.

I know there is the Category:Knockoff Merchandise, but that doesn't really work...and then I remembered this bootleg also. Should unlicensed merchandise be included eventually in its own category? I think if its clearly labeled as such, it could have great entertainment potential -- I defy you not to laugh at Bert's feathered hair and eyelash combination on that Sesamstrasse LP!

I'm going to see if this seller will let it go for a little cheaper than its current list once the auction has elapsed (assuming the breakbeat DJs don't snatch it before then) --Cantus Rock 09:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

"Earliest Known Appearance" box
I created another template, this time for articles about a single Sesame Street song or sketch. You use this box to record the Earliest Known Appearance of that insert. To add the box, just add to the page, with the number being the episode number that you want to link to. The box should go under the song box and the picture, if there is one. You can see the box in action on Five People in My Family and Circles.

I'm just trying this out, so if anybody can improve it, please go ahead! -- Danny (talk ) 17:42, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


 * What should we do for single songs that were remade for multiple skits on Sesame Street? Should we find away to distinguish the earliest-known appearances of each individual version, and put a note that says which version it is, or are we just listing the earliest known appearance of a song period? --Minor muppetz 21:52, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


 * That's a good question. My first thought is that the EKA box would have the first appearance of the song at all, and then the EKA for the other versions would appear in the article text, like in the Stop! article. But that's open for other thoughts. -- Danny (talk ) 04:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Grover Pages
There have been questions posed at Talk:Waiter Grover and Talk:Grover the Assistant about those titles, asking why it's "Waiter Grover" and not "Grover the Waiter". That's a good point, so I'm looking for some sources.


 * The Sesame Street Dictionary says: Farmer Grover, Marshal Grover, Grover Knover, Grover the waiter, Grover the elevator operator, Grover the astronaut, Grover the ice cream vendor.
 * Sesame Street Unpaved says Grover the waiter.
 * Watch Out for Banana Peels says Officer Grover.

Are there any other sources? -- Danny (talk ) 13:06, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I think that Marshall Grover was a name used on-screen, as an alternate identity simialr to Super Grover. Grover Knover would be an alternate stage name (perhaps similar to Grover Kent). I don't know if Farmer Grover would be an official title as opposed to using it to describe a character and it's job. --Minor muppetz 05:39, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Reused Puppets
I noticed now at least two characters on Bear in the Big Blue House whose puppets are used in other productions --- Jeremiah Tortoise and Big Old Bullfrog. Is there a list or anything like that where we're keeping track of that type of thing? George B. ''(talk ) 05:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There's Same Puppet, Different Character, but only if the puppet was recycled as a specific named character. If it just became a utility puppet, that applies to too many to list, so we generally haven't tried to track that. So Big Old Bullfrog should be added to the list, but not Jeremiah for playing "Turtle #2" in Kermit's Swamp Years. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 05:22, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

filmographies
Just thought I'd mention here that I installed a new feature which allows you to show or hide the lengthy filmography lists on character pages. To see what I mean, take a look at Link Hogthrob's filmography section. You can either click on the number that appears in parentheses after a show to expand the list, or click show all and they will all expand. — Scott (talk ) 05:13, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I just went through and added the code to a bunch of pages (simply by searching for filmography... there may be lots more I missed), but I should mention that if/when others use it to update existing lists, and in creating new ones, don't forget the closing DIV tag. So, the list starts with, and ends with   ... with asterisks in between to create the bulleted lists, two asterisks per line for those which will be indented/hidden. — Scott  (talk ) 05:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, also: it appears to not bother hiding indented lists of fewer than five, so don't be alarmed if it appears to not be working on those shorter ones. — <font color="Blue">Scott (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:33, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I like it, though it's not immediately obvious how to expand/collapse a sublist. Powers 15:57, 1 December 2006 (UTC)