User:Radionate/Talk Archive 01

Archive of User talk:Radionate

Halloween
Hey, Nate! Now that we have Christmas pretty much nailed down, hows about messing with Halloween? It's smaller, of course, but I'm beginning to see how clear divisions can be nice (I went ahead and created a Halloween episodes cat). The question is, a, outside of episodes, is it worth reclassifying everything? b, some of this stuff is really more generically spooky/horror, but close enough (the Vincent Price/[Alice Cooper]] episodes were released on video as Halloween themed shows). And re characters. Halloween is different from Christmas, so personally if we toss characters in, I'm inclined to be more liberal. Witches and Pumpkins go in naturally, and I'd probably add Uncle Deadly and things like The Wereman from Dinosaurs (though not most Muppet monsters, probably, unless they specifically evoke classic horror monsters; Mulch is a grey area that way). Plus I know there were many Muppet comics and magazine stuff with Halloween/horror versions of characters (I still recall an old comic with Kermit and friends trick or treating and meeting real monsters, who turn Fozzie into a Frankenstein monster, Kermit into Dracula, Rowlf the wolfman, etc.). Thoughts? (Shame there's not enough material for an Easter category yet). I'm increasingly finding the more "concept"-y aspects of Muppet Wiki to be great fun. --Andrew, Aleal 20:38, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Wow. I'm gonna be on Holiday overload before Easter!  HA!  I love the idea of breaking down Halloween like we did Christmas.  Even though it's not as detailed, I can already think of many many things that could be included there.  There are loads of Halloween costumes that have been sold over the years, plus other toys, such as Sesame Street PVCs.  The Playstation game (whose name I cannot think of) could be included there.  Plus as you said the Vincent Price/Alice Cooper video.


 * I do think that perhapes we could all figure out something to do with Halloween Characters, or something of the kind. Mulch is a good example, because he is most certainly a take off of Frankenstein Monster.  As is the Wereman.  And you are correct that there was a Muppet Magazine issue with a comic where everyone turned into monsters.  The title was a play on Little Shop of Horrors.


 * I'll poke around the catagory and see what I can come up with to suggest. I do think that Easter is a possiblity should you want to work on it.  The Tale of the Bunny Picnic and Bunnies could be included of course.  There was a Hallmark Easter egg decorating kit too, but other then that you might be stretching for stuff.  I did find an awsome "mother's day" picture though, and I'm going to upload it for a nomination for the front page closer to May.  So the Holiday stuff is out there!  --Nate  Radionate 21:05, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Christmas Characters
Hey, Nate! How do you feel about including Penguins? Not exclusivley Christmas, but very iconic. If you get to include Old Joe (who I still personally think is merely a Christmas Carol character rather than one closely associated with the holiday as a whole), then I should be able to count penguins! --Andrew, Aleal 01:41, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure. Although as you pointed out, the live in the South Pole, not The North Pole, which is more associated with Christmas!  But I think including them is cool.  --Nate  Radionate 01:46, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but they've appeared in every Christmassy Muppet production, and as a species in real life, on countless ornaments and wrapping. When was the last time you saw an Old Joe gift tag? --Andrew, Aleal 18:41, 3 April 2006 (PDT) ?
 * Well going thru my box of old Hallmark things I stole when I worked there I happen to have an Old Joe Gift tag, and a sticker! Actually it's just Maxine, but you got to add Penguins, so leave Joe alone!  ;)  --Nate  Radionate 01:53, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I mention Joe so you won't contest penguins and to counter your specious argument that their real origin prevents them from being iconically associated with the holiday or looking cute in scarves when ice skating! The Trash Heap has spoken! Nyaaaaah! --Andrew, Aleal 01:57, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Angel
Hey Nate, are you planning on creating an article to be named Angel? I see that you moved the current one to Angel (Television Series). -- Scott Scarecroe 23:42, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey Scott. I actually moved that because I discovered that the Madonna song Angel (song) was covered by the Muppets on The Muppet Show On Tour: 2nd Edition.  So I went ahead and moved the TV series, perhapes I shouldn't have?  --Nate Radionate 23:58, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, okay. I'm gonna set up a disambiguation page at Angel. You'll see what I mean in a few minutes. I'm also going to check the What Links Here feature to make sure everything links to where it should go. -- Scott Scarecroe 00:02, 1 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I didn't think about setting up a disambiguation page. I guess it just happened magically by itself.  And thanks for thinking to check the "what links here" page.  I often forget to check that!  --Nate  Radionate 00:04, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Game Shows
Hey again, Nate! Great picture, but is there a better place to put it? It's clearly not actually from Sesame Street, so it's a trifle misleading. --Andrew, Aleal 22:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Ugh. I didn't think about it being misleading, just thought it might be fun to have there.  I don't know where to put it.  I'll pull it if nobody can suggest anywhere else.  --Nate Radionate 23:05, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Stunt Pictures
Hey, Nate! Yeah, I'd tried doing Stunt Muppets that way earlier, with the picture right below the film title, but the thing is, it pushes the text all off balance, leaving gaps between the header and the paragraph which look ugly as heck. Any thoughts or suggestions? I really hate the current look. --Andrew, Aleal 16:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Scott is the computer guru in my eyes, but I'm wondering if it might have to do with the setup of your screen resolution, because for my computer, there are no real gaps and it looks real purdy like. Does it do that on any of the pages where pictures are divided out by headers for you, or just this one?  --Nate Radionate 16:20, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It does for a few others. I guess if it looks fine for you, I'll live with the blemish. The pictures and the text aren't evenly matched in size, so there's a block of trailing space before the description comes up. The other most noticabel instance is pages like The Muppet Christmas Carol, where between the credit template and the poster, the Synopsis header is pushed way up. --Andrew, Aleal 16:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Is Christmas Carol looking better to you now? --Nate Radionate 16:27, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * And what about the pages like Miss Piggy, Kermit the Frog, or Jim Henson? Do you see gaps there too?  --Nate  Radionate 16:35, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * That fixed it, yeah! And no, no gaps on any of the above, just Stunt Muppets, formerly Carol, and I think one or two other movie pages with poster insertions. Which is why I'm not entirely sure that my computer resolution is the sole source of the problem. --Andrew, Aleal 17:20, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks like Danny might have fixed it. Did he?  And if so, what did he do?  --Nate Radionate 18:54, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * He didn't It's still there. Maybe it is my computer, which vindictively wants to make a page I enjoyed working on look ugly to me. Ah the curse of creation. --Andrew, Aleal 18:57, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Spelling!!
For future reference, it's actually "grammar" with an 'a' instead of an 'e' at the end. --Peter Pantalones 17:05, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Well everyone knows that I'm notorious for my spelling. And I even went to KOLLAGE!!!!  (My fingers just don't keep up with my brain.  That's the excuse I am sticking too.)  --Nate Radionate 17:07, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey, I didn't mean to pick on you. It just looked so earnest, all misspelled next to those exclamation points. --Peter Pantalones 17:09, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I call it Wikslexia. The condition wherein one misspells words or transposes letters when entering data into a Wiki. It's a recurring condition, and is highly contagious, easily spreading from one editor to another. Sadly, the medical community has yet to conduct any serious investigation into this rapidly spreading disorder. --Andrew, Aleal 17:11, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I think I have delpifixia too. That's the sudden loss of brain cells when typing on forums!  --Nate  Radionate 17:14, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Song Compromise
Nate, check User talk:Scarecroe but I think we've reached a compromise re the publisher info on the song template. You can insert "publisher=" into the pages with the song template, immediately after "source=", without affecting the box, as the coding's not active in the template right now. Then, once all the pages are done and Scott okays it, we change the code and activate the new feature. How's that sound? (I've tried it on a few pages, including Marley and Marley, one of the few I do have publisher info for). So now the real task is for you to gather publisher info for 350 plus songs, or at least half of that. And don't forget to include the "publisher=" anyway on those where you don't have the info! --Andrew, Aleal 16:47, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, but I'm not doing any wiki today. I've got some flu crap, so it' just bedtime for me, sans the occassional popping on for email.  --Nate  Radionate 17:31, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh sure, no pressure, just letting you know. --Andrew, Aleal 17:33, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Great work with the recoding, Nate! Though just checking, you *do* have some actual publishers to stick in for at least some of these songs eventually, right? --Andrew, Aleal 04:43, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you and yes. I'm just going thru and putting the publisher in first since I'm just cutting and pasting.  And that makes fast work of it.  That way when I'm done, the new field can be activated for any new songs that folks might add, and I can go back in and add publishers at a slower pace.  I've already got a stack of stuff to start pulling them from.  --Nate Radionate 04:46, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Aha! That works (I've been pitting the tag in for any songs I've edited or created as well). Just checking, because if you didn't or couldn't, I wouldn't know where to begin, outside of calling Kurland and Salzman long distance. --Andrew, Aleal 04:54, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I noticed some were done already, and figured it was you. Some of the publisher stuff will have to wait until my next trip to Indiana and my storage shed there.  I'll pull out my CD cases and music books that I don't have here and get more publishing information from there.  But I've got quite a nice little pile here to keep me occupied for awhile at least!  I'm noticing some big holes in songs as well by doing this, so my "to do" list is growing by the minute.  Too much to wiki, not enough time!! --Nate Radionate 04:58, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Song Template
I'm exhausted and less than gruntled, but I've changed the song template, adding the publisher, and thus pushing every existing song page off kilter. Go to it and let me or Scott know if you have any problems. Remember, if publisher is not applicable, as with all other fields, use "publisher=" but leave the rest blank. --Anrew, Aleal 01:38, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * You are a doll! I know what I'll most likely be spending my Saturday night doing now. --Nate Radionate 01:40, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Nate, if you haven't noticed, check User talk:Aleal. Scott's still concerned about whether you'll be able to fix 350 pages without leaving a lingering mess. and unclear about why there's any point to adding the field. --Andrew, Aleal 02:24, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Beetle Bailey
Hey, Nate! Thanks for adding Mort Walker's site, but I removed Beetlebailey.com. Had you visited the link? It ain't really an official site as much as an advertising page. It's to sell T-shirts to support the USO, no strip info or whatnot really, so it struck me as rather like linking to Amazon. If you can dig up a good link to the strip archive itself or something online (King Features has one somewhere), that would work better. --Andrew, Aleal 22:40, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I just caught what they did with the Beetlebailey.com site too. I don't think I'll put the site where you can get the strips, as that tends to be more about paying for the strips to be emailed to you daily.  I'll leave it at Mort's site, although I wish I could sneek in the national cartoon museum site, but I won't. --Radionate 22:46, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Good point. Actually, later on I may post a link to the Toonopedia history page of the strip. The problem with links for some of these things is they're too commercial and basically become a plug for a product which is just as bad as linking to Amazon.com (we have a commercial link on Muppet Meeting Films page, but there it has a full listing, useful info, and free previewable videos, so it's a valuable resource). Speaking of celebrities, feel free to go to town with William Shakespeare, which I'm creating as a stub as we speak. --Andrew, Aleal 22:49, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * WOO HOO! Is it getting that obvious which are my favorite catagories?  HA! --NateRadionate 22:51, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Radionate Superstar
Hey babe: Check it out, you're already #15 on the Top 25 list! -- Danny Toughpigs 00:22, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Sad isn't it. But I love this place.  I had a hair up my ass to actually sit down and do a website this year.  I had chosen Joe Mathieu since I love his artwork so much, and as a kid graduated towards his books.  But this is better.  To me this place is like sharing our toys with everyone.  I can put up some amazing pictures, see other amazing pictures, and just read to my hearts content on everything that everyone knows.  It's a thing of beauty I tell ya! --Radionate 02:12, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I know, I'm in love with it too. I haven't done a damn thing on Tough Pigs since Christmas, but I've been on here every day. And yeah, the best part is doing it with a bunch of other people, and sharing with everybody. Yay! -- Danny Toughpigs 02:34, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, I have a couple things to point out. First up, we're italicizing show names, like Sesame Street. Number two is that if you're adding a picture that's smaller than 300px (like Old Lady) then don't do the "thumb|300px" thing. That'll actually size the picture up to 300, which makes it all grainy and yucky looking. For smaller pictures, you can just put [[Image:Picture.jpg|frame|Caption]] . And that's two to grow on! -- Danny Toughpigs 16:24, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Italics. I must remember to italicize.  I hope I haven't missed too many.  sigh.  And thanks for the tip on the pictures.  Since I'm not that computer saavy, the whole pixel thing helps.  I've actually been shrinking most of my pictures before sticking them on here, and in the case of the Old Lady picture, I guess I just shrunk her down to small. Now who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks? --Radionate 16:30, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about the ones you might have missed -- there's plenty of italics clean-up that needs to be done all over. We didn't even decide on a system of what gets italicized and what doesn't until about a month into the project. -- Danny Toughpigs 17:15, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Links
Hey, Nate! Great work adding Wikipedia links, and pesky details such as birth years, to the celebrity pages. I removed the one for Charlie McCarthy, since the page is actually a redirect to Edgar Bergen, and there's already a Wiki box there. Says a lot I suppose that Wikipedia redirects one to the other, whereas here, Charlie gets to shine on his own. --Andrew, Aleal 06:14, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks Andrew! I'm taking my time doing the celebrities, but it's one of my favorite places around here to work on, so I figured I'd start small by doing the little detailed stuff, since I figured everyone else would be clamoring to put in the main stuff if it isn't already there.  Plus it's good practice for me! --Radionate 22:15, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey Nate, I didn't add a Wiki link to Wegman because that actually goes to a disambig page. Is there a way to alter that so it goes directly? --Andrew, Aleal 21:53, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know. I saw that too, but included it, since the option is there to go directly to his page, but I'm not sure how to make it go directly there.  I'm not that Wiki swift yet. --Radionate 21:57, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Talk boxes
Hey babe: You're becoming a wiki superstar, so here's another trick for you. When you post a question on a talk page, you can add a "talk box" to the article page by adding this template:. That adds the box, and automatically lists it on Active talk pages, which directs people to your question. Cool, yeah? -- Danny Toughpigs 02:19, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I just figured that out right before you posted! I tried it out on the Angus page, where I posed a question.  Don't hesitate to tell me I'm screwing anything up either.  I'm still struggling with some parts, but I think I've got it now.  I have a feeling my nights will now be spent on Wiki instead of just staring at a TV. One question I do have is how do you create a list of things you want to work on?  I've seen them on some of your pages, and I'd like to somewhat outline for myself areas I'd like to focus on.  --Radionate 02:23, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * You're screwing everything just right, baby. Have you seen the Muppet Wiki FAQ? That's got all the tricks on it.
 * I'm happy that you're getting into the wiki -- it's addictive, isn't it? I love it. You can make a To Do list on your user page -- just click on that "user page" tab! You can edit it just like any other page. There's also that little navigation bar at the very top right of the screen, so you can get to your user page and talk page anytime. -- Danny Toughpigs 02:29, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I constantly reference the FAQ page for certain things, but I suppose I should read the whole thing a few more times to soak it all in. I thought creating a to do list was more complicated then that.  But I did it.  Just call me slow tonight, I was up until 1 am on Wiki!! --Radionate 02:47, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Nate in the house
Hey, Nate! It's good to see you here! Let me kow if you have any questions and do check out the Muppet Wiki FAQ. (One note: to sign your name to talk pages, enter four tildes like this: ~ ) -- Scott Scarecroe 22:30, 12 February 2006 (UTC)


 * testing this to see if I'm doing this right. - Radionate 23:56, 13 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Yup, you did ;) -- Scott Scarecroe 00:20, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, Nate! How you doing, baby? -- Danny Toughpigs 01:48, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * DANNY!!! I'm trying to figure out how to use this damn thing!  But I love it!  It's such a fantastic idea to share things with the whole community!  I just gotta figure out things here, mainly how to create pages that aren't there yet. Radionate 21:47, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Aw, that's easy. Just go up to the address bar and put the page you want after wiki/. You can even put in spaces, and it'll make them into _ for you. You should check out the Muppet Wiki FAQ; there's lots of good tips there. Or leave a message on my talk page if you've got questions! -- Danny Toughpigs 21:55, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay. I uploaded a picture today.  WOO!  If there were issues or I did it wrong you guys (Danny, Scott, Anthony) let me know what I need to do differently/correct.  Not like you don't have 1000000000 other pages to go over as well. Radionate 23:25, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Wow, what a great picture! I love it. There is one thing to do differently -- put the image tag at the very top of the page, so the text goes around it. You'd put the tag at the bottom of the Muppet Show On Tour page. Not a big deal. And yay for uploading pictures. -- Danny Toughpigs 23:49, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * By George I think I'm finally getting it! I played around for awhile with it! -Radionate 23:59, 14 February 2006 (UTC)