User:Scarecroe/Talk Archive 24

Archive of Scott's talk page.

Creature Shop Voice Actors
Hey, I didn't put Brian Doyle-Murray in the category per your question way back on Category talk:Creature Shop Voice Actors, since the dog in question isn't a Creature (Creature Shop did the tiger, pigeons, rats, Lucky the dog, and the guinea pig; anything else is live animals with maybe effects from some other company). Have you changed your mind on that, or just so long as they didn't voice a character done by another effects house? -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 03:13, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Oops, my bad. I must have read it improperly. —Scott ( talk ) 03:15, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * No biggie, I just wanted to know if you'd changed your mind or not. At this point, outside of going so far as to include one-time bit players and so on, I think we're mostly in agreement that celebrities in Creature Shop-effects films (and other notable actors, especially if they were in multiple projects) are worth making pages for, whether the whole film was Henson-produced or not (though I'm still personally leery of areas like Around the World in 80 Days or Gosford Park if there's no other connection, where there's no animatronics or even CG characters but just matting and wire removal and maybe some sky, but we still haven't done much with those), but with voice actors who didn't voice Creatures, that gets into a different area. That's one reason why, on the film pages, I try as much as possible to specifically mention the Creature characters (unless it's something like The Flintstones, where all the animatronics were Creature Shop). -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 03:23, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

O Canada
It says on your user page that you want to follow up on your conversations with CanadaMuppet about repackaged JHH material. That user seems to have disappeared, but I'm pretty sure I can answer any questions you had. What do you want to know? --GrantHarding 01:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Grant! Actually, that was so long ago, I forgot what I was looking for specifically. I can probably take that item off my to do list. —Scott ( talk ) 02:30, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I know it had to do with Talk:MuppeTelevision -- MuppeTelevision has indeed been aired in Canada (on CTS), as part of the TMS/MT! package. Since it's only half an hour, they trim Jim's intro so he's only talking about the first half of the show.  And the neat thing is that they change the opening title to "The Jim Henson Show."  As a result, the first bit of the opening (up until the crystal ball pops) is flipped left-to-right so that the ball lines up with the O in shOw rather than hOur.  (See picture.)  The end credits are intact.  I think that's what you wanted to know, maybe? --GrantHarding 02:36, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's probably what I was looking for. I don't think I'd previously seen your reply at Talk:MuppeTelevision. Thanks for the screenshot -- that's a neat little trick with the crystal ball!

Fraggle Shirts?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is there no page for Fraggle Rock t-shirts? I can't seem to find it. There's some cool designs on 80stees.com I want to get on the wiki. — Joe (talk ) 21:49, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * You know what? It doesn't look like we do! How is that possible? Until we have more clothing items, it could prolly go in the Misc FR Merch category. —Scott ( talk ) 21:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Images again
Hey, take a look at Richard Attenborough. I used Image:Magog.jpg, also on Magog, but it keeps displaying an older version, showing a skeleton. I deleted that version and I'm still seeing it (I'm at the library, still on IE, but a different machine). Is it just me, or yet another weird quirk re older versions of imaghe files? -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 23:23, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm seeing Richard Attenborough. It must be a caching issue: either yours or the server's. They were having trouble with some code in Poland today, so that might have had something to do with it. —Scott ( talk ) 23:26, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Did you click the article or the image link? Clicking the image directly, you get the right thing. Look at the article, and it's a big skeleton. I'm back on my home machine, and it's the same problem. And it shouldn't be a cache issue since the old version was from January and replaced soon after. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 00:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I just added a screenshot on top. And apart from having the same problem on two different machines, I just messaged a friend who uses firefox, and he said all he could see was "a large skeleton in an arch with some scaffolding" on the article page (but again, it looks okay when you click the image). I'll probably just re-upload under a different name in the short term, but this seems to be a new kind of weird cache problem (and it only affects the newer page for Attenborough, not Magog), and as long as the list of glitches is getting, I'm thinking it's worth noting here and maybe informing someone at Wikia in case it happens again. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 00:33, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, it changed since I last looked at it. I'm seeing the skeleton now. There are definitely some image issues going on. I'll send the tech team an email. —Scott ( talk ) 01:18, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Talk Pages
When you get a chance, we could use your input on Talk:The King of Eight. Right now, since the discussion seems to be based on the fact that various authorized sources only talk about the film as "stop-motion" on the one hand and visual theorizing on the other, it sounds like the sort of thing you might want to ask Karen Falk or other contacts about, if in fact any further details are available (but I'd feel more comfortable going with what Falk or someone similar says, at least on the article, than with theories based on close-ups and lack of repeated blinking and so on). Also, Paul has a question on Category talk:International Merchandise, apparently wanting to reorganize the category by shows rather than types or something or just have the two co-exist (I'm not entirely sure I follow what he's saying), which I think you might want to weigh in on. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 00:31, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * And if you can get some inside info, it might be good to ask about who (besides Jim Henson) did what voice. --Minor muppetz 02:21, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Muppet Babies on YouTube
You've probably been watching that user, but they recently added the complete "Comic Capers" and "Great Muppet Cartoon Show" (and awhile back, which you probably caught, "Sing a Song of Superheroes"), chock full of visual references and clips (I've IDed some of the latter, including an early public domain Looney Tune, still working on some of the others). Now we can get Max Fleischer on the Wiki! -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 03:18, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh sweet! I hadn't really been actively watching, so thanks for the head's up. I'll have to hunt those down :·) —Scott ( talk ) 04:19, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Sesamstraat Discography
Hello Scott, a short question... The picture on the Sesame album discography looks great, Ive added it to on the Sesamstraat discography. It looks all nice and neat inside now! But can you mar a simular picture with the records Bert en Ernie: Ik Wist Niet Dat Je Kwaad Werd! (the one on the bottom), Verloor M'n Koekie in de Disco, Bert en Ernie: Een Uur Niet Zeuren and Slapen? -- <font color="Blue">Paul (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:22, 7 November 2007 (CET)


 * Sure. I won't be able to get around to it right away, but I'll whip something up. —Scott ( talk ) 01:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow you work fast.. thanks Scott.. only Bert en Ernie: Een Uur Niet Zeuren is a casette so smaller and Slapen is a cd.. So is Sesamstraat En Melkweg (CD). Is it a problem to make them some smaller with one with a CD hanging out? Thanks -- <font color="Blue">Paul (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 20:08, 8 November 2007 (CET)

Tuesday 1pm
Hey dude -- If you're around on a wiki, come on Skype, okay? We're supposed to be talking with Bill at 1pm your time... -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 17:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Picture
Hey, Scott, when you get a chance, can you change the main page picture?

Also, I wanted to say thanks for cleaning out the Sesame album discography. It looks all nice and neat inside! Now we're all ready to add more to it next year! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:05, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Sad Kermit
Hi Scott. Could you please explain to me why that article is not relevant here. It seemed just as relevant as The Bear Wit Project, The Grouch Report or The Muppet Show in Ham's Deep. It might not have been an official, or even a flattering, "Muppet Mention" but I don't understand why it is any less relevant than the other unofficial creations or references in here. Please let me know how the relevance of a Muppet parody, mention or reference is based around here so I don't make the same kind mistake in the future when contributing. Ӝ 23:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * That's a good question, actually, and might be worth bringing up at current events. No doubt Scott will address this himself, but in my opinion, I think YouTube fan videos are a can of worms for a number of reasons. One, there's so many of them; you add "Sad Kermit," and then everyone whose ever created a random Muppet fan video or vicious parody or whatever will want to add theirs, from the Scorsese Sesame Street thing to "C for Cookie" and so on. Second, they're extremely temporary, even moreso than most online things: pulled for copyright violations, re-uploaded again, moved to different sites... Bear Wit Project, which it's worth noting was added nearly two years ago, when the Wiki was just starting and a lot of things weren't well defined, is pretty similar (and the site itself dead, though the film still circulates on YouTube and so on). The Grouch Report is also kind of borderline (not a fan site but a personal parody blog, which is *also* now offline). So my own feeling is that it's worth staying away from internet distributed fan videos entirely, and probably parody blogs unless they're put out by a reputable outfit, like The Onion. So under that rule, things like Homestar Runner would be allowed, Sad Kermit, films of Elmo cussing, etc., wouldn't. Similarly, any parodies, whether unflattering or otherwise, which were released theatrically or via mainstream commercial video, or aired on broadcast or cable TV (whether in the US or elsewhere), are allowed: Robot Chicken, Meet the Feebles, Bernie und Ert, etc. Internet memes come and go, and "Sad Kermit" and the like have a much shorter lifespan, even if many people see them in that brief time, than film or TV properties which can and usually will be re-run, released on DVD, and so on. Finally, articles on Robot Chicken or the Family Guy references just note that these exist and are proof of the Muppets visibility as pop-culture references in mainstream media, but can't exactly be seen as support of the programs. Whereas linking to fan videos on YouTube, Daily Motion and the like, which Henson and others see as copyright violations, could be interpreted as supporting the practice, and that's just probably not good policy for the Wiki (for similar reasons, we don't allow YouTube links to anything which is commercially available). -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 00:43, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Exactly what Andrew said. I couldn't have said it any better myself. —Scott ( talk ) 15:10, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Nice Koch!
Hey, Scott! Thank you so much for finding out about Koch Records! I didn't even know about it! I've been bouncing off the walls all day! You know what's funny? I guess since Sony Wonder had handled audio and video, I assumed that Genius would take over both. Now that I went back and read their press release from early this year, it just said "home entertainment products", so I guess that just meant video. And now that I think about it, that was the only time in SS history that one company did do both. So now I hope Koch will want to do a lot of stuff differently, like reissue original LP's (I'm still waiting for a boxed set of the first 6 albums!), keep the Sony CD's in print, and maybe even make new releases with a mix of recent and classic tracks! I realize they can't do all of that at once, but it'll be interesting to see what they do! I can't wait to make the discography even longer! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:08, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I hope this means new albums and reissues, too. I have a feeling that SW is done with the nostalgia market for now only a few years after the release of Songs from the Street. But they really haven't released any of their newer original material, so I would guess there'll be a mix of that and the classics. —Scott ( talk ) 03:06, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm hoping that the new video releases kind of give us an idea where they're going. It seems like the Play with Me Sesame stuff is a mix of old and new clips, and I don't mind that.  I was telling Danny that I have nothing against Elmo personally, but I think after 1998, when everything they sold had "Elmo" in the title, that's when I got turned off until I found the wiki.  And I'm curious if Genius is going to keep all the video titles in print, because some of the Sony stuff goes back to the original Random House editions, and those were great!  I really think that we're about to turn a corner of getting old stuff again!  I never would have thought that somebody would have wanted to do a Fraggle CD set, but maybe the season sets are driving interest in them again, so I'm hoping that if they keep going with Old School sets, the audio will complement that, too. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:41, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

FlagFreak
Hey, dude -- I'm using a wiki to communicate with you this time instead of e-mail. :)

FlagFreak left me another message on my Central talk page. I told him that if he wants to get back on the wiki, he should have his parents send me an e-mail. That'll either shut him up, or it'll put me in contact with his parents, so I can get them to take away his computer. (I've done this before, and the parents are always horrified to hear that their kid has been harassing people online.)

I also protected his user page on Pixar. So that, I hope, should be that. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 15:32, 2 November 2007 (UTC)