Talk:Miss Piggy Through the Years

Would someone mind playing with this template? The images are looking sucky due to it.Scooter 18:21, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, feel free to change the pictures, as they aren't that great either.Scooter 18:24, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it needs a little formatting work, but this is a great idea. I like where this can go! I expanded the pictures to 250px -- Do you like that? I agree that the template needs a little work... It would be nice to have some margin space in the table cells. Anybody know how to do that? -- Danny Toughpigs 23:30, 28 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I added some more pictures to the chart, but have a question on how this will work. Should we including Piggy as characters or alternate versions (i.e. Ms. Cratchit, Benjamina Gunn, the four witches, Baby Piggy)? It may not be as big of an issue here but with others it may become one (Scarecrow Kermit, Baby Kermit, Swamp Years Kermit, Lion Fozzie, Baby Fozzie, Tin Gonzo, Baby Gonzo, Dearth Nadir,...). Maybe a second chart at the bottom to list and compare alternate versions would solve this.


 * This is a great idea for a wiki project, I know a Kermit, Fozzie, and Gonzo pages would be awesome too (once we work out all the formatting stuff here). It's fun to study the Character Evolutions.
 * - BradFraggle 01:54, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


 * BradFraggle, these pictures are fantastic. Great work!Scooter 02:36, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I added a bunch more photos. Let me know once we get the format and system down for the "Through the Years" pages because I would be more than willing to start working on Kermit, Fozzie, and Gonzo pages. Also does anyone have a Piggy photo from The Jim Henson Hour era (such as Miss Piggy's Hollywood)? I'm pretty sure there were some changes blending more from the '80s perm Piggy to the '90 Piggy. -- BradFraggle 04:39, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Brad, great additions! As far as characters goes, to my mind, it depends on 2 factors: 1) does this version in any way influence or act as an example of lasting changes in the character's overall aesthetic, or 2) is it just a freak (No offence to Gonzo), that is, a specially made version which serves its purpose and has no bearing on subsequent appearances? Piggy as Emily Cratchit, for example, continues Piggy's flirtation with curls, but is also (to the best of my recollection) her first appearance with shorter hair, and influences the more modern cut which she sports from the "Muppets Tonight" era onward. Baby Piggy, on the other hand, while cute, is completely different and one off (and something like Dearth Nadir, while worth noting, is completely different, as it's an armored suit, and doesn't affect regular Gonzo in any way, as far as I know). As stands, I like placing the "alternates" below, but perhaps you might either single out specific alternates which are indicative of an overall development, or just make notes, i.e. "Emily Cratchit marks the first time Piggy's hair was cut shorter, preceding the more fashionably cropped look for the regular Piggy." Something like that.
 * Also, was The Muppet Movie the first time a full-body Piggy was built? (Not just lower limbs for dances, but a special puppet worn by short performers for physical stunts?) Technical things of that nature would be worth noting on this and any spinoff pages (i.e. when Gonzo first gained the flexible eyelids, the duration of Fozzie's wiggling ears, etc.) Anyway, kudos to Scooter and Brad? --Andrew, Aleal 04:45, 31 January 2006 (UTC)