User:Merrystar/Talk Archive 05

Archive of Wendy's talk page.

Hi!
Thanks for figuring out how to word the Christmas album. I still feel like that is the "real" last one, since to me Follow That Bird is not quite canonical, since it was shot in Canada on a different set. But we'll see what happens with The Best Of.

Since we're on the 1984 Christmas album, where did you find the 45? You made me so happy! I was hoping we'd find a picture of it right about now. This is the time of year when record dealers will put out their Christmas stuff, since nobody else (except maybe people like me) would think to look for stuff like that the rest of the year! -- Ken (talk ) 05:20, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey Ken. I'm glad you liked the wording; I hoped you would be ok with it.  The promo is on ebay right now listed under the B-side title (and pictured that way too for some reason).  It really is amazing how much Christmas merchandise shows up!  -- Wendy  (talk ) 03:57, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, since we're kind of in limbo about the "very last" LP, I guess we can say that that was the absolute last 45. But now I'm wondering if there were any 45's from Follow That Bird.  With all of the RCA country guest stars (Ronnie Milsap, Alabama, and Waylon Jennings), I'm surprised they didn't even try.  I'll have to see if I can dig around.  Oh yeah, have you been to Worldcat lately?  It seems like all their listings of the Sight and Sound "Best of Sesame Street" as a record are gone!  Now I'm starting to wonder if I really saw it.  But there seems to be a lot of CD copies of it, but as I said on the talk page, when there is a number, it doesn't make sense based on what we already know.  Which makes me think that Worldcat listings (or the library listings they're basing their information on) might be saying CD, but they might be wrong.  I'm trying to see if any of my local libraries would be able to get it through inter-library loan.  I found out that my college doesn't do inter-library loan for alumni (they only do it for current students and faculty), which kind of irritated me, since I joined the alumni association just so I could have a lifetime library card.  Anyway, a lot of the copies are in other states, so when you have some time, can you see if any copies are near you?  That would be great if we could find the CD of The Best of Sesame Street, because then that would be the very first Sesame Street CD (1987), predating the 1990 reissue of In Harmony, and the 1991 Golden Jim and Joe CD's.  The only technicality would be if it wasn't sold in stores, but only to schools.  I sure wish we could figure all of this out!  I'm still hoping that someday Andrew and I can write some kind of guidebook/history book on Muppet records! -- Ken  (talk ) 04:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * That is odd that the LP is gone. The closest of the CDs/Cassettes is over 100 miles from me so I'd have to try inter-library loan also, and its actually the cassette not the CD (which isn't closer than 450 miles or so!).  However, I also pulled up this; apparently a copy of Susan Sings Songs from Sesame Street under a completely different name.  It doesn't appear to actually exist at any of the listed libraries (well several of them don't work at all)... Wild huh?  -- Wendy  (talk ) 04:58, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I saw that, too! That's either a Record of the Month club edition, or some other kind of reissue.  I know that bsnpubs.com has a Scepter listing, so I'm going to check if they ever put it out after the original release.  I wish that Worldcat wouldn't purge data on items that libraries have discarded.  I know they want to keep it current, but sometimes that's all we have to prove something existed.  I like how Amazon has out of print items listed all the time, and if there's not one for sale, it'll say so, and then when somebody gets one, they'll add to it.  That way, you can always at least get an author and title. -- Ken  (talk ) 05:20, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Japanese CD's
Hey, Wendy, I was looking at the Japanese CD's, and I was wondering if you knew how to shrink that CD single at the top and put it into the regular listing. I might want to work with Paul and rearrange some stuff, because I think some of the dates are wrong, and I think he has some of those CD's. Thanks! -- Ken (talk ) 03:26, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Ken. I took the black space out of the image and straightened it.  You can just put the image into the table wherever it goes and it should be fine.  -- Wendy  (talk ) 00:40, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That part looks okay, but I'm wondering why the whole chart doesn't go all the way across like the other ones do.  They've got columns for picture, year, title and label, and the coding looks the same.  Does it look that way to you?  Also, I have to tell you that I feel stupid!  I've been looking at those CD's for months, and I didn't know who made them, and then right now I finally realized that the front of the obi (that's the little piece of paper that's wrapped around the case under the shrink wrap) has the Columbia logo and "SONY" written right on it.  I was like, "Duh!"  Thanks for your help! -- Ken  (talk ) 02:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the table is narrow because it's scaled to what is in it (as in, the box width is determined by the widest entry in that column. There's nothing to push it wider.  It fills up a fair amount of my screen (maybe 5/6ths) but I have a tiny laptop, since I am of the opinion that the point of a laptop is to be portable and purchased one accordingly.  I'm also using the new quartz skin (monobook keeps trying to display something for which I don't have the plugin and I got tired of being told about it). Quartz has less room in the main page areas (among other irritations... but no "missing plugins" notices).  Combine the two effects (small screen and compressed layout) and you get what is probably a non-typical viewing experience, so most people probably see what you see.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:21, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay. I was wondering because that CD single had been in the top right hand corner for a long time, and I didn't really like it there, and I thought that was what was making that chart get all squishy. Maybe Scott can mess with it.  I'm still using the old skin, because my computer seems to be even slower than usual with the new one.  I've noticed that the various international charts don't always seem to have the same proportions, and I've been wondering if that was fixable.  Also, I'd like to put some kind of essay and collage at the top eventually, but I don't know anything about the Japanese CD's.  I do find it interesting, though, that during the same period that our Sony Wonders were all new releases, Sony Japan was making reissues of the 1970's and 1980's stuff that was done independently, and not on Columbia! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:45, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Muppet Wiki's birthday
Hi, Wendy -- I just posted a birthday message as today's "Today on Muppet Wiki". I'm glad you posted about the birthday, and I wanted to add some more to it. Unfortunately, that meant punting Sinterklaas off the page today -- we can put him back for tomorrow. Thanks for keeping Today on MW and the main page picture updated while I've been busy... and Happy Birthday! Yay! -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem - you left a great message and I'm glad you did it. Happy Birthday right back, and thanks for setting up such a fun place to play!  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 23:51, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

International records
Hey, Wendy! I'm getting dizzy trying to keep up with how we have international records categorized and linked to other things. Are they supposed to be in categories for "International SS albums", or "(Show name) albums", or "International SS merchandise", or just one of those, or a combination of those? Can you explain how they're supposed to be? I've been cleaning up some Dutch stuff, and I want to make sure I do it right. Thanks! Happy National Cookie Day! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:51, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Shows which have a lot of albums get their own category. So Sesamstrasse, Sesamstraat, 1, Rue Sesame, and Sesam Stasjon all have "Category:(Show Name) albums" at the moment, and I'm not sure but I suspect the Japanese ones do as well.  Albums should be in that category only and included on a discography ((Show Name) Discography) which is put into the "International SS albums".  Albums from other foreign shows go into the "International SS albums" alone.  If some other show ends up with lots of albums then we can split it off, but right now there doesn't seem to be a need (and Stasjon is marginal, but that's another argument).   So for the dutch they would be in Category: Sesamstraat Albums and included on Sesamstraat Discography.
 * We were trying to unclutter the general international album category somewhat with this scheme. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 17:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I have 2 cd's from the japanses sesame street. But its no use categorize them because there is only japanese on the label etc.. Maybe you know some one here who is japanese and I can send him scans or translate? Also there are a lot of cd's on the japanse merchendise page... Are they left there or coupled to the international albums? -- <font color="Blue">Paul (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:20, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * All of the Japanese Sesame Street CDs are in a discography, which is included in the Category: International Sesame Street Albums just like the Sesamstraat etc. discographies. As best I know, we don't have any Japanese CDs with original content: they are all releases of American albums, which is why they don't have pages. If yours are the same then they go on that discography page.


 * If your CDs are original content then they should get pages of their own, put into Category:Japanese Sesame Street Merchandise and in International SS Albums just like from any other country. With only 2 it is difficult to envision a whole category for them just yet.


 * The only person I know who might be able to translate the Japanese is Chris. He has done most of the work in the Japanese SS area.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 23:13, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * They are really original in japanese.. Ive paged him and hop to make scans so he can translate them -- <font color="Blue">Paul  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:00, 7 December 2007 (CET)

Le Muppet musique
Well, finally, I got around to adding the French version of The Muppet Show album, as our first actual international Muppet album, as opposed to singles. It seems like in most countries, they sometimes translated isolated songs (I know there's Italian singles with "Bein' Green" and "Halfway Down the Stairs"), if that, but generally just released the English-language albums for The Muppet Show, in contrast to the Sesame stuff. The website where I confirmed the side order also has this, a listing for the second French album, if you feel like messing with it (I don't). -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That's very cool (the first one that is). I wish we had a photo for the second one; I'd be more inspired to slog through the French.  But I might tackle it anyhow.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 17:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * There is a photo on the page. It's tiny, in the upper right corner, but can be enlarged when clicked. I've already done so, resized to fit our needs, and I'm parking it above, until either of us gets around to it. Also, clicking "Le Muppet Show" under "Extrait du programme" goes to a full list, including singles (I forget whether you already took care of all the French single releases or not). -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 20:25, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Main Page
Hey, Wendy, I'm trying not to bug Scott and Danny all the time, but could you find out if they (or you or Andrew or somebody) can change the main page picture? Jim trying to fly is nice, but I've been looking forward to The Rainbow Connection. Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey Ken. I tried but I don't know how to get the picture resized; you have to somehow generate the thumb-size in the image system at the wiki.   At anyrate, you'll have to bug one of them after all I think; looking through the mainpage history I don't think Andrew or Guillermo have ever put it up either.  06:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

International records
Hey, Wendy! Can you take a look at my talk page? Paul's asking about moving around international stuff, but I'm not sure what he's asking. I know you and Andrew and I have been talking about rearranging certain countries' stuff, depending on how many records they made, and putting them into their own sections, but I forgot if we decided anything yet. Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:38, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * That was fast. -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:40, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Images
Hi, Wendy! Can you help me learn about images? I've been going through the Sesamstraat section, and the images are all over the place. Some are too big, and some are too small. I've been messing around with them, but they don't seem to do what I want them to. If the dimensions of the jpg file are really off, how do you change them? Or do you do it on the album page? Thanks for your help! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:53, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey Ken. You resize big images on the page.  So you would say thumb|300px in most cases.  You can't make an image less than 300px show up any bigger, but you can use frame in that case.  In order to resize the image itself you have to download it to your computer, edit it with some image software and then re-upload it.  Depending on image quality, it's sometimes possible to make things bigger and have it look good.  You can always make things smaller.  Does that help?  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:31, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Kind of. I'm looking at Hou Je Vast and the actual file is 400 x 400 something.  So I didn't know if you're supposed to shrink the file down to 300 x 300, or if you can make the jpg 300 px on the album page.  And I didn't know whether to use thumb or frame for that.  Also, for a long-term project I would really like to make all of the album covers be frame, unless they have a caption, because I don't like that space with that little symbol thing underneath a picture, and I like how the frame looks.  Hopefully soon I'll be able to mess with images myself once I get the right stuff.  Hope this made sense! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * So a 400px picture you would use thumb|300px on the album page. You always shrink an image with the thumb tag on the page where it's used.  If you want to be able to use frame on a big image, you have to download it, shrink it to 300ox, and reupload it.  You shouldn't need fancy software to simply resize things; I believe most basic image programs can do that much, although the quality with which it is done varies.
 * On any image that's already 300px or less wide, just go ahead and use frame; you can't make them any bigger with the thumb tags. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! It worked, but you're saying that in this particular case, it has to be a thumb right now, and it can't be a frame? -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving!
Hey, Wendy! I'm assuming you're traveling this week, so I wanted to wish you and your family a Happy Thanksgiving! Hope to see you soon! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:56, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ken - I was visiting my in-laws. A belated Happy Thanksgiving to you too!  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:23, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

British Babies books
Hi, Wendy. I found this little list of children's book and record sets. If you scroll down about 3/4 of the way, you see there are four British Muppet Babies books, one of which we don't even have a title for yet. They have almost no info (apart from stock number and publisher) so more research and verification really need to be done. Seems like the type of thing you'd care to do, and if not then I'll probably pick it up at some point. -- Mark ( talk ) 21:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey Mark -- thanks for the link; I'll try to track down at least the basic info for those in a bit, but they have the catalog number which is usually the hardest thing to hunt down. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 00:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * In case you come back here, Mark, thanks! I had been wondering if there were US Muppet Babies book and record sets, and now I think there were, but we don't know what company made them yet.  I love the site where these are from!  I can already see a bunch of information that I can send to the person running it! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * This is getting stranger and stranger. I put those titles into Google, just to see what would happen, and I keep getting Parker Brothers of all things!  So apparently, they were made on a kids' record company in the UK (and I haven't figured out yet if they were on record, tape, or both), but they were made on a toy company (on tape) here!  Well, at least now we have 4 more titles to mess around with. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:33, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * They're also all released as Golden sets I think; or at least I found the packaging picture that way for "Baby Kermit's Birthday Surprise", and the others are listed that way in worldcat etc. I don't know what to make of the whole Parker Bros. thing; it's hard to find any concrete information on them, but I know the one tape I've seen clearly had a PB prefix (too bad I couldn't read the number).  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:52, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, that makes more sense. We know that Golden began by reissuing book and tape sets of things that had been SS book and records, so that makes a little more sense for a book company to get into making tapes.  Then it seems later that toy companies were getting into the act.  Muppet Babies ran from 1984 to 1990, so that was right when records were beginning to be replaced by the CD, and in the kid market, things were going tape-only.  I hated that period because I never have good luck with tapes, but I bought some Disney stuff that was tape-only, and years later, they finally made CD's of it.  I'll have to make a list of what we've seen on Parker Brothers and Hasbro, because I keep forgetting which tape we had that's listed as Hasbro. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:01, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

More info (Read Columbia Records first)
I just remembered something. That Strawberry Shortcake LP was on the Kid Stuff label, and distributed by IJE. And I just pulled out my 7" book and record from Schoolhouse Rock which is on Kid Stuff, and here it is!

A division of I.J.E., Inc., 450 N. Park Road., Hollywood, Florida 33021

And the bar code: 0-43948-02293!

I'm hoping that if we can find the Muppet prefix, we can figure out what the missing MBR numbers are, and maybe even figure out the LP's! Sorry to be throwing so much information at you, but it seems like it comes in bunches! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:19, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm confused: Does the barcode relate to something searchable in worldcat? I couldn't pull it up.  Although since the 700 series numbers don't pull, I'm not sure how many of those sets are even in Worldcat anymore.  Anyhow, I'm glad we have a line on I.J.E.; I figured they were some promo group.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 00:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry; I got excited, and didn't realize that that record didn't have the final digit, and I guess you need it to look up UPC's on various websites. I'm still messing with this and other numbers, so I'll let you know what I find out. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Columbia Records
Hi! There's a lot to read over on my page, so I came over here to just briefly mention that the consecutive numbers I have are:


 * C 40773 Music is Everywhere
 * C 40774 Perfect Harmony
 * C 40775 Fraggle Rock

So by messing around in Worldcat, the number for Rocket to the Stars is C 40772! I'm not sure yet though, if the 2 covers had 2 different numbers, because other yellow albums were reissues of other labels' stuff, especially the 2 Fraggle LP's. I don't know if there were other editions of Music is Everywhere. I've seen Danny's actual copies of the first 3, and while the record itself has a C prefix, the cover has a PC prefix, which means their budget series, so I'm guessing these are all budget reissues of other editions.

By the way, read the top of my page where I talk to Mark. You might find it interesting. -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


 * So those are the yellow record numbers, right? I poked around some in worldcat myself (hence the new Golden book&tape numbers); I couldn't find anything under that MBR 700 series, or under Parker Bros.  Ah well.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:31, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, those 4 numbers all came out in 1987. (Trivia: Michael Jackson's Bad album came out on August 31, 1987, and it was OE 40600.  OE was Epic's pop series.)  Since the first edition of Rocket is dated 1985, I'm thinking that will have an earlier number somewhere, but I haven't found it yet.  I think Music is Everywhere only came out once, because Danny's yellow copy only has the 1987 date.  The 2 Fraggle LP's were on IJE first, and we have both covers, and the yellow Fraggle Rock is dated 1983 and 1987, and the yellow Perfect Harmony is dated 1986 and 1987.


 * By the way, I found a nice copy of What Time is It on Sesame Street at my library's book sale for only 50 cents! On top of that, I saw a Strawberry Shortcake LP.  I didn't want to buy that one, but I'm mentioning it because it had IJE's name and address on the back cover!  I'm going back next week to copy down the address.  Now that we know IJE pressed other kids' records, I may be able to piece together when they existed, and what other Muppet stuff may be out there. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:53, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Delete Request
Hi, Wendy! When you get a chance, can you delete the page I made called Sesame Street Records Numerical Listing? I reworked it into a page about the label itself, and I also moved the label pictures to it, so they wouldn't get buried at the end of the CD section of the main album discography. Did you hear about Koch? I can't wait! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello?
Hey, Wendy! I saw your move to the Pete Seeger "Hello" song. I wasn't quite sure how to work with that. See, we've got the "Hello" skit on the 45 of CC 75001, the Pete Seeger song, and there's also a song called Hello from a Sesame Street Live show. I forgot what the show's name is right now, but I asked a question on its talk page. So do we need to make a disambiguation page for these? I didn't know how to make one. I hope this explains what I've been doing with the various songs and skits. -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:52, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Ken. So far we don't have pages for many of the Live show songs (unless they also appear on the tv show or albums), but we can cross that bridge later.  Are you sure it isn't actually the same song incidentally?
 * Basically the differentiation I would personally use is "Hello (skit)" and "Hello (song)" for ease of typing, but I left the bulkier name we already have for the skit in place. If we add the second song I would then probably say "Hello (Sesame Street song)" and "Hello (Sesame Street Live song)" or possibly go with the composers...  although I couldn't find the composer for the Pete Seeger song in ASCAP/BMI (of course searching for "Hello" is heinous so perhaps I missed it, or is it anonymous?).  At any rate, I mostly just didn't like seeing one of the performer's names as the parenthetical so I switched it.
 * I'll create the disambig for you; then you can see how it's done. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 16:40, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Counting Is Wonderful! (And so are records!)
Hey, Wendy! Somebody on eBay had the 45 of CTW 99004 (Counting Is Wonderful/The Song of the Count)! I forgot where I saw it, though. It might be in something weird like toys. (Records are not toys!) I think we only have about 15 CTW 45's left, down from 76! Wow! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:48, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Got it. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 17:59, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I Hope That [?] Comes Along
Hi, Wendy! I noticed that a long time ago, you moved "I Hope that Somethin' Better Comes Along" to "Something". What source(s) do you have for that? I just pulled my records and sheet music, and they all say "Somethin'". Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:48, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It would have been because of the ASCAP legal title (#390347589). At the time we always went with the legal titles; we now leave it more open, so if you want, start a talk page on it and see if people agree to move it to the album/sheet music title.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 17:52, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay. By the way, thanks for finding the Manhattan book and record set!  Sealed copies are all over eBay, and I'm going to buy one when I have a chance.  That seems to be the highest number in the MBR-700 series, and I'm hoping it has a list on the inside of what else was available, like the Disney ones did.  I'd love to find the numbers that I'm missing! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I was surprised we didn't have the Manhattan BR set already actually. Good luck finding all the sets!  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 17:59, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

It's Time to Find the 8-track!
Hey, Wendy! Great Muppet Show 1 8-track! Where did you find it? Did it have a number? I really need to go down to some used record stores and figure out prefixes for 8-tracks. By the way, I took out that line about only Kermit being on the cassette cover, because now I think that that was only on foreign releases. If the 8-track matches the LP, then I'm sure the tape did, too. -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:53, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey Ken. I was surprised we didn't have it actually.  It was from an ebay auction with no other info.  So while I believe it is Arista (the PYE LP has a slightly different cover picture esp. near the top; also there aren't many british 8-tracks) I don't know anything else about it.  Still I figured it was better to have the nice picture and then find the info.  And I agree that I'd be surprised if the US cassette didn't have the same picture.  Although, the foreign LPs all have the cast picture, but the UK cassette has just Kermit, so who knows.
 * I'm starting to wonder if there weren't multiple versions of a lot of these 8-tracks. For example there's a The Muppet Movie (soundtrack) on ebay right now that's white plastic with a green border on the label, and it doesn't have the complete track listing on the label like the black one we have on the wiki; yet it is clearly Atlantic with a US address, and the album number matches as best I can make it out.  I know I've also seen multiple variations on some of the SS 8-tracks too.  I know you mentioned catalog order at some point, but how do you tell which is catalog and which from a store?   -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 00:37, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. Can you grab that different Muppet Movie one?  As far as color coding, I seem to remember that some companies did use different color plastic to designate certain things like record club editions.  Whether there was a numbering system to go along with it is something I don't know.  Certain record companies who had clubs of their own (Columbia, RCA, and Capitol) probably made different color plastic on their own titles, but the number would have been the same.  Also, they were known to press other companies' records for their own clubs, and I'm still trying to figure out why.  For example, I have an LP from Laugh-In that's on Reprise, but it has a Capitol series number, so that was a Capitol Record Club edition.  But my uncle used to belong to the Columbia Record Club way back in the '60's, and all the Columbia records he got were the same as store copies.  So I think we're going to find some more 8-track variations as we dig into this.  Oh yeah, when you get a chance to go to eBay, type in "Sesame 8 track" (I'm not sure if a hyphen will give you more hits or less hits), and see what's there.  I think I've seen some new stuff! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:48, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I was right. It's an RCA Record Club (actually RCA Music Service) edition, and you'll see that under the TP 16001 there's another number, which is an internal number for RCA. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:16, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Aha - I see where it says that now! Ok it's up.  I'll go looking for SS next.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * All I found were two more Sesame Disco! 8-tracks; confusingly both black but one each of the two possible album numbers.   I also found Canadian releases of The Muppet Show 2 and  A Christmas Together (album) on 8-track.  Sort of odd those last two.  Anyhow...  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:11, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

New person
Hey, Wendy! I just wanted to let you know that we have a new lady that has just joined us, and she's a huge Sesame records collector! So I thought you might want to know about her. Her username is Enelar, and look at her collection! Anyway, I thought you could maybe explain to her how to upload things, because I'm sure she can help us get better scans of the covers we need, as well as help build the song pages she has the records for! You can probably tell that I'm really happy right now! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:30, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Label pictures
Hi, Wendy! Kyle sent me some label pictures for SS Records, and I put them in the LP discography, but it won't show up on the page. I copied the coding from other LP's, and I can't understand why it's not working. Can you help? Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:47, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You had some extra brackets that the gallery format doesn't need was all. It's fixed now.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:41, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm confused. Were you talking about the introductory essay on the Sesame LP discography main page?  That's where I had put the label pictures that Kyle had sent me.  I just went there, and the brackets were still there, so I took them off.  It looks okay, but now I have another question.  Is there a way to make those 2 labels bigger, and kind of center them on the page?  Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sigh. Yes I thought I had fixed the intro essay; I must have forgotten to save the page.  Unfortunately, the gallery format is pretty well set as far as I understand it, so we can't make them bigger or center them.   They might look better lined up on the side of the text like normal images if you want to try that.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:09, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought of that, but then I was afraid that if they were too big, they would distract from the part of the essay that talks about the 1970-1974 era. I'd really like them where they are, because that's right where the SS label is discussed.  I guess I could put them on the side, but I'd like to keep them directly across from the relevant text.  I'll leave it like it is for now and think about it. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:38, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

CED etc.
Hi, Wendy! I'm kind of taking a break from records, and I was wandering around the video pages, and I was looking at expanding our coverage of Muppet stuff on the CED format. I don't know how much you know about them, but in the early '80's, it was another disc format at the same time laserdiscs were coming out. CED's were played on a video machine that operated on a similar principle to a record player. It was a grooved disc played with a needle, and I still don't know how they got it to transmit video! Anyway, there's a cool site called cedmagic.com, that shows the whole history of the format, and they have a database of all known titles. The reason I brought this up was that right now, all we have is a list of titles. I wanted to make that into a chart or table or something, and there a ton of pictures all over the Web of the titles that were made. So if you were interested, I just wanted to mention those as some things that are really easy to plug into the wiki. We need a lot of laserdisc pictures, too. I was surprised how many times they released Hey Cinderella, Frog Prince, Emmet Otter and Bremen, and none of those are on DVD (yet!). -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:07, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That's a good idea; I'd never looked at those video pages before. I looked around a little; there are quite a few CEDs, betas, etc. on ebay but the pictures are pretty abysmal.  OR maybe I wasjust been too tired to sort them out!  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 00:57, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, Ken, Emmet Otter's Jug-Band Christmas has been released on DVD twice. But the others haven't. --Minor muppetz 02:46, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw that after I was digging around some more. I hadn't been paying attention to DVD's of stuff that I already have on tape, but it's nice to know it's still in print.  And at least Frog and Cinderella were out in the '90's.  Bremen hasn't been around since about 1983! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:47, 5 October 2007 (UTC)