User:ErnieBert/Talk Archive 03

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Ernie & Bert
What are these??? I thought I'd found some carryabout covers, but the song pairs don't match the singles, which supposedly match the carryabouts (?). The seller is claiming they're from a 1973 "Ernie and Bert Collection" by Columbia. I can't read the numbers. Any ideas? I grabbed the pictures but don't know what to do with them. -- Wendy (talk ) 03:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Uh, oh. Are you sitting down?  This may only be a theory, but I'm going to say it anyway.  Remember how I said that when you bought the Muppet Alphabet Carry-About, you didn't get the cardboard books?  And how I was wondering how they packaged the Havin' Fun box?  Well, when you mentioned that these singles don't have song pairs that match, I immediately thought of the one that you've already put up that I thought was a foreign pressing, since its song pairs don't match either.  Here's what I think:  The back of the early LP's mention that CC 25505 is the 45 box edition.  They also list CC 75048 through CC 75054 as being the ones sold separately.  Here's the kicker, and my heart's pounding, because I'm about to change something that I thought was true since I was 5 years old in 1974: They apparently made the box set with another set of CC numbers, with different couplings! This explains a lot of things, like why the number on that new one you found is near the original set, but after it.  And it's not a foreign pressing, because it has a big hole.  By finding those picture sleeves, you've also proven the evolution of their packaging.  SS1's box was just all 6 of them in a box, exactly the same as if you had bought them separately.  Alphabet was different: No books, but the actual records were the same as the ones that came in the book and record sets sold separately.  And now, we have a situation where one set of numbers was used for the individual book and record sets sold separately, and for whatever reason, they decided to use the next 7 numbers for a version that came in a box, with individual picture sleeves (and no cardboard books), but since they have different couplings, they couldn't use these picture sleeves for the ones sold separately!  And just as a side note, they wouldn't have been able to do this for Alphabet, since each 45 is always in alphabetical order, whether or not you bought them separately, or as a set.


 * I'm sorry this is way too long, but this is the weirdest variation that I've seen since I've been here. Now we're really going to have to make the Carry-About page, because this one is like SS2: the singles are numbered in a way that only came in this set!  I almost want to ask the seller for the numbers on these.  I'll have to do some more number digging, too! -- Ken  (talk ) 04:19, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and put the covers up on the carry-about sandbox page so we have them. I'm a little confused though, because the ECC label I found had "Tiger Hunt" with "Simple Song" and "Just 3 Colors", and this new one supposedly just has the latter two on it.  Also is the set from 1972 or 1973??  The ECC single and the two new ones were all given as 1973, but we have the carryabout as 1972.
 * Hooray for mysteries to solve! -- Wendy  (talk ) 02:56, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I saw that too. I think that each side of the picture sleeve has the titles of that side, which means that there is a different picture on each side.  The reason I think this is because I was looking around last night for some nearby numbers, and I found some other ones, and they seem to also have 2 songs on one side, and one on the other. So we have at least 2 45's so far with 3 songs per record.  So I'm going to have to figure out what's with what, because this might even mean that there are less 45's in the box.  Also, we only had the singles as 1972, because the album was.  The Carry-About might in fact be dated 1973.  You know, if somebody found the complete box, this would make things a whole lot easier! -- Ken  (talk ) 04:32, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

country
Wow, there were rumors some years ago about Sesame Country having been released on CD. I'm glad you found it! —Scott ( talk ) 19:05, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, as a matter of fact, it was the exact same link that you were talking about a long time ago on its talk page. I guess the guy was sitting on it for so long, he cut his price from $75 to $30.  And he's got another one too, if you or anybody wants one, and it's a "Buy It Now!" item, and it's sealed!  Maybe some more will surface!  I've had the LP for years, but I want to hear that extra song, and I've been wondering what the person meant when they wrote that the tracks segue into each other.  I'm going to have to compare the LP to the CD when I get a chance! -- Ken  (talk ) 04:19, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Ha! I got the CD for less than $10 back in January. I even added the bonus track to the tracklist.  It's a shame that you had to spend that much - no CD is worth $30.  And what I meant was that on the LP, the applause at the end of each track fades into complete silence before the next track begins, but on the CD and cassette, the next track begins before the applause dies down.  I guess I beat ya to it.
 * PS. I also have a mp3 rip of the Golden cassette, and noticed the segues between tracks are not 100% the same as the CD. --MuppetVJ 05:38, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I've been known to buy 2 different versions of things just to prove some point to myself, and since I haven't seen this CD in 15 years, and it was sealed, I thought it was worth it. But I'm glad that more than one of us has the material if we ever need to verify something. -- Ken  (talk ) 06:00, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

SS1 Cover
Hi Ken -- I found this cover for a supposed 1974 reissue of SS1, that I've never seen before. Do you know of any more alternate covers? Or is it most likely Canadian? Sorry the scan is so lousy; that's all the seller had. -- Wendy (talk ) 00:16, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Nope; I remember that one! Do you recognize what that is?  That's the group shot from CS 1069, matted onto a plain background.  I'm willing to bet that this was the first edition of the CTW version, and then followed by the outside shot, since Matt Robinson's Gordon wasn't on the show after 1972.  It's always bugged me that the backs of the 1974 series list Hal Miller, when most tracks were Matt.  I remember as a kid going, "Who's Hal Miller?" In fact, I think that the only record he was on was LIVE!, but I'll have to double check.  Thanks!  By the way, try not to find so much cool stuff every night!  Try to spread it out!  (Just kidding!) -- Ken  (talk ) 02:49, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah, I read your question again, and it reminded me of something. I think there's yet another Columbia variation.  I've only seen it once, and I wish I could see it again!  It was called, "The Sesame Street Original Cast Album", and it was a similar shot as the first edition, but it had a huge street sign diagonally across the cover, with those words written on the sign.  I could never figure out if it was before or after the one with all the pictures on it, and I wish that I could find the cover of that one to see what's on the back, since that always looked like a back cover to me anyway.  The only way you can tell it's a front cover is that the Columbia logo and number are in the corner.


 * I'm answering some other questions too, so please keep reading! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:49, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

A random question
Do you have the "Merry Christmas from Sesame Street" LP?? There's a gorgeous detailed scan of the inside art here (last picture, click to make it large). And it appears to me that Bert is giving Ernie a soap dish and Ernie is giving Bert a cigar box towards the right-hand-side. Was this part of the storyline on the album? I know it's used in the 1978 "Christmas Eve on Sesame Street", but I'm now curious if it showed up before then... -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Aha. I see it in the track listing as "A Christmas Story" with Mr. Hooper, Ernie and Bert. Interesting -- is it the same The Gift of the Magi idea? We should add it in if so. Anyhow it's still gorgeous inside artwork that I (at least) had never seen! -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you're asking. If you want to add the inside picture, that's great.  I'd love to eventually have the front, back, and inside pictures, and even some custom album labels later on.  I'd also love to add the booklets for SS1 and 2, but some pages have lyrics on them.  As far as "A Christmas Story", yes, it's a 5-10 minute story on the record, and it follows the TV version very closely, but it's not exactly the same.  And they close with "Have Yourself", which still makes me tear up after all these years.  And the Sesame version is on the Magi page.  If you were asking something else, let me know!  Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:10, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey sorry, that was poorly phrased -- I was tired last night! I was trying to ask if the "Christmas Story" on the album was the same as the Ernie & Bert Magi story, which you said it was, so now I know.  The page for the Magi said the Bert & Ernie version first appeared on the television special.  I put up the picture.  Is it signed?  I'd like to note the artist if known.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:02, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It was Mike Smollin. He signed the bottom right hand side. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:49, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * By the way, since we're on the Christmas album, have you ever looked for the lyrics to the 2 Spanish songs? I've been looking off and on for years, and I can never find anything on them!  From what I can tell, they're the only overtly religious Christmas songs on the album, and although I can pick out a few words here and there, I'd love to know the rest of the words, and maybe even the history of those songs!  I'm sure they're on the Web somewhere! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:49, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh good; I like to cite the artist when I can. I haven't ever seen the lyrics for the Spanish songs, but I admit I haven't looked very hard, except when I was trying to figure out what they were.  Part of the problem is that "Arrurru" and "Aguinaldo" are just traditional types of Spanish songs, and "Saludo" is just greetings, so it's not like there's much of a title to search on.  Do they give any author credits on the album?  If I ever run across them I'll let you know though.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 13:19, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * They both just say, "Traditional, arranged Pottle". So that won't help much.  I'll have to play it for some Spanish-speaking friends, or maybe try to pick out some phrases and try to run them through a lyrics website or something.  Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:41, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Loretta Long
Are there two of them? Or did she randomly release a promo on RCA in 1975?? here and here. ?? -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 20:45, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, Wendy, you always know how to make me smile! I'm thinking there's an album attached to this.  It seems like she and Bob liked to do the most outside recording projects.  I'll have to think about it some more.  Trivia: Harvey Fuqua was in The Moonglows, and I've heard of the Nashville Edition.  So I have no idea if this was a country/R&B song, or what!  Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm glad you like it! I was making a determined (and so far fruitless) effort to hunt down those Scepter singles at the time and there it was... -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, one person on eBay had an entry but no picture, which is where I found one of them, and then I ran into another discography site that had all the Scepter singles in order, and I was very surprised to find that both of them are numbered so close together. I hope we'll find pictures someday! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Missing Album?
Hey Ken -- check out R.E.A.D.Y. Tunes. It appears to be a later release (given the Elmo thing and the Sony part) but we didn't have it here. I found two cassette copies (one in a current, one in a finished auction) but can't seem to find any more info, not even a date. Do you have any resources for Sony products? -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:10, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah. I finally tracked down the funny acronym name; it appears to have been made for a specific learning kit offered in Michigan. So I'm not sure if it's really considered an album or some sort of promotional thing or what. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:53, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, we have a few things like educational cassettes around here somewhere, but I haven't looked at them in a long time. I'll have to see if I can find a Sony number for it somewhere.  Did you try Worldcat?  That seems to be something that libraries would have bought. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Worldcat was an excellent idea; I was cooking dinner earlier and it's hard to think clearly about such things while cooking. It of course only exists in a few Michigan libraries but one of them was the sort that gives full info including the album number.  The tape's not really educational.  I mean, the kit is intended for babies from 0-1 yr old, so the "educational" aspects are largely aimed at the parents anyhow, and most of the songs on the tape are either SS standards ("La La La") or regular kid-fare.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, so some songs are non-Sesame? That's interesting.  The catalog number is weird, too.  In 1999, the regular Sesame CD's were around LK 63500.  Sony (Columbia) hasn't been down to 27000 since the '70's.  I've never seen a BT prefix before, either.  AT was a special products series, and CT was for regular pop albums.  I'll have to see what's around that number. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Golden
Ok, I took the number off the one Golden cassette we can see (Bert & the Broken Teapot), and plugged it into worldcat per instructions. And out popped the cassette listing. So then I tried some nearby numbers. I noticed that for a few this is part of the ISBN but most don't have ISBNs at all. Anyhow, I came up with this list, all copyright 1987: Then going off the same part of the ISBN on an amazon listing I found this set: For the one with two titles, "Ernie Gets Lost" is listed as CTW, while "Little Red Hen" is Golden, but some of the others are just listed as CTW, so that only helps so much. Also, If I didn't have that one picture of the tape with the number on it I'd be sure this was just some sort of weird ISBN number coincidence.... -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 13944 A Baby Sister for Herry
 * 13945 A Bird's Best Friend
 * 13946 Bert and the Broken Teapot
 * 13947 ??  The Little Red Hen and Ernie Gets Lost both come up
 * 13948 Scared of the Dark
 * 13949 When Grover Moved to Sesame Street
 * 13997 A Sesame Street Christmas
 * 14168 Oscar's Grouchy Day 1992
 * 14169 Early Bird on Sesame Street 1991
 * 14170 Big Bird's Adventure (1992)
 * 14171 What's Up in the Attic? (1989)

And to answer a question from below, I don't think I've seen a Golden book&record set yet. Or more accurately, the record part of one, since I too am dubious that the books themselves varied much! -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:43, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Doo Doo doo-doo-doo
Do you know anything about this? The info is pretty scarce in the listing (as in, who the heck is performing???... or who is the record company???) but it seems like a moderately early tie-in to SS just from the appearance... -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:18, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, while I don't know that we need it on the wiki, there's a lovely clear shot of the white label from a promo copy of the SS2 album here that I thought you might enjoy seeing. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, that promo is pretty neat, and it reminds me of a couple of other things. I have a promo edition of the WB Electric Company, but everything's the same, except for the catalog number.  It's a promo series number (which I can't remember right now), but the label's green like normal.  So I'm wondering if all WB records back then had white promos with the same number, and green promos with different numbers.  That seems redundant to me.  I hope we find a white label promo for SS1 someday.  I once saw a copy of SS1 on eBay with the Columbia red and white label that I thought got phased out in 1970, when the numbering series went from 9000 to 1000 to 30000.  I'd never seen SS1 on that label before!  I was so tempted to buy it, but I've got it like 3 times already on various issues and reissues!  My brother got a first pressing in 1970, and it was already on the red label with orange "COLUMBIA"'s in a circle.  So I'm thinking somewhere, somebody must have had the 1960's label left over, and they were still using it.  If you want to see the difference, usually eBay people will call it "Columbia 2-eye label" or something like that.  To me it felt like finding Follow That Bird on the RCA label that Elvis was on when he started.


 * Okay. GRT is a label that doesn't exist anymore, and from what I can gather, GRT stood for General Recorded Tape.  Their biggest claim to fame was that they bought Chess Records (Chuck Berry, Etta James, The Moonglows) in the late 60's, and owned it before MCA bought it in the '80's.  It looks like their other stuff was no-name "budget" stuff.  I could be wrong, but I can't find anything else on them right now.  I always check bsnpubs.com, which is a huge discography site, and that's all I could find.  Anyway, that looks like a knockoff of Mahna Mahna.  By the way, that made me think of something else.  I was curious if Mahna Mahna ever hit the US charts by anybody, and I found that Piero Umilani's version hit #55 and was on the charts for 6 weeks.  Here's the interesting thing.  My book says that it debuted on the chart on 9/6/69.  So that means that it must have been a hit before Sesame Street got a hold of it, since that was 2 months before SS started.  I've always wondered why SS didn't make a record of their own version.  Maybe it was a rights thing, which may have also been why they didn't make records of songs that weren't theirs.  See, I've always felt that Mahna Mahna was SS's first hit, but people never got to buy a record of their version.  So Rubber Duckie became their first original hit (and that one hit 8/16/70).


 * Sorry I wrote so long again, but I love this stuff! Oh yeah, please read down all the way on the page.  Did you see the cool thing Kyle found?  I sure wish the 3 of us could hang out together! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:18, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Glad you liked the promo album -- I figured you'd like to see it at least. I can't imagine why they'd have multiple colors and numbers for the promos; perhaps they were changing the system from one to the other or something?  And the old label for SS1 is even weirder.  It's like finding mis-printed stamps, or editions of books with one page sewn in backwards.


 * I'll just ignore that Mahna Mahna then; I probably would have ignored it completely except that, as you noted, it's so absent from the early SS stuff. Even when peter pan and disney and the others put out "Sesame Street" albums they never included Mahna Mahna.  Interesting on the label though; I'll have to remember that record site.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey!
Hey Ken. Haven't talk to you in a long time. Just thought i would stop by and see how things were going. I hadn't been online because of our internet being down for quite sometime. So now i'm back and have some news on something that i got just a few week ago of the three 45's records of Sesame Street. It's the Rubber Duckie, Green and Feelings. I got it in a little special bag that i guess came after the first 6 came out. Here is a scan of what is on the front of the little bag. The bag is tore at the top but i'm not scaning it becuase it's just a little pastic bag with a kind of snap handle but there the scan that i got for you. -- <font color="Blue">Kyle (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, Kyle! (smile, handshake) I've really missed talking to you! I was wondering if you were working a lot and didn't have a lot of time.  I also thought maybe you were losing interest, which I didn't think was possible!  I'm so glad your Internet is working again.


 * Anyway, wow! You never cease to amaze me!  Where did you find that?  I am totally blown away, because I've never heard of that!  You know, they must have assigned a whole block of numbers to Sesame Street before they started to make records, because that CC number on the bag comes before the very first 45, and it looks like it's a set of the last 3.  The first 6 came in a boxed set, and having the last 3 in a plastic bag seems kind of strange.  Did you get all 3 45's in it?  Are they numbered the same?  Is there anything on the back?


 * We're going to have to make an article about the 45 boxed sets. I think they're too neat and unique to just mention their numbers on the LP's page.  I think if you can scan pictures, and I can write about them, we can do it together!


 * I hope you had a good 4th of July. I was thinking about you, because I know they have a lot of patriotic stuff down in Texas.


 * Well, I have to work on some other stuff. I'll talk to you later! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:06, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I particularly like the line-drawing of the Feelings 45rpm instead of the usual pictoral cover.... Still, what an entirely odd way to sell records! -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:41, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I found it on ebay and bought it. Yes i did get all 3 of them. Yes they are numbered the same. And nope nothing on the back. I had a lot of fun on the 4th and enjoyed everything about it. That's about it. Hope this helps and all. Maybe someone will know something about this. Talk to you later, Ken. -- <font color="Blue">Kyle (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 10:15, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

More Fisher Price
Apparently they did book-and-record sets as well -- check out Don't Cry, Big Bird. Which look a lot like the SSR ones, only they have a thing about "Look Listen Learn" across the bottom of the book. I grabbed the record label as well so you could see. As best I can make it out the number is FP143. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 13:44, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * AAAHHH!!! (Sorry.) Man, just when I think I've got information on every Sesame Street record.  Okay, I've got some cool stuff to tell you.  Go to thisoldtoy.com.  It's a huge collector site about Fisher-Price.  I don't know if you've been there before, but our site already links to a page they have about the Fisher-Price Little People, since that includes the characters in the Sesame Street playset.  (I still have mine!)  Anyway, it's a huge site, and I've already got a bunch of ideas for stuff to work on when/if I ever get finished with records.  The reason I'm telling you all this is because they have a listing of the Sesame Street book and record (and book and tape) sets that we've been finding.  They're pretty strict about using pictures, so you may want to read their policy.  But for me, having more titles and numbers is fantastic, since I'll use that for my own research, and to put up here.  Plus, now we'll have a series to start from.  There are supposed to be 24 titles, which look like they're the same 24.  But, I only see about 12, so we'll have to keep looking.  But the pictures are cool, and they explain why the books looked so big.  They don't seem to be the same size as the original SS ones.


 * The Golden tape you put up didn't have a number, but I forgot which one it was. Do you have any numbers on Golden stuff?  I'm trying to figure out if they were mixed in or separate from the Golden albums.


 * Well, I'm excited because of all the Sesame-related stuff I totally forgot about, like the View-Master stuff, and those little hand-cranked cartoon cartridges. (I always wanted one of those, but I never got one.)  They seem to have had better toys when I was a kid!  I'm almost 38, and it seems like 1970-1980 was a classic period.  Well, sorry that this was so long, but there's a lot of information on that site that we can use in the future, for all kinds of toys!  I hope you like it! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:52, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, it looks like this is going to be fun, because tapes and records of the same title have numbers that are nowhere near each other. Your tapes are in an FP080 series, and the records look like they're in an FP120 to FP140 series.  So we'll have to note that.  And I noticed that you have a few Golden tapes up with no number.  Some are reissues from the set of 24, and some are from 1987, which means they're probably tape-only, but you never know.  I guess I'll mess around with Worldcat, and try to generate a series. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow -- that's a good site. Too bad they don't have the numbers for all the entries.  Also they're wrong about the records being labeled Fisher-Price, or at least some of them are as we have evidence here.  The books on the other hand, if the "Look, Listen, Learn" thing isn't on all of the FP ones makes it darn near impossible to tell those from the SSR ones in your average auction.  I really really hope that the slogan isn't on any of the SSR ones or it will be impossible.


 * I'm going to go through and add the info that the FP sets exist on the ones listed on that site. I would certainly ask before using their images; it might be interesting to have one complete package for illustration if we wanted to discuss the various sets that were made at some point in a general way.  I'm more ambivalent about asking for them for the individual book pages...


 * I had reasonable scans of 3 more of the "look listen learn" ones that I added (under the FP assumption). For now I left them off the discography.  But I'm wondering if for the  discography we should just include whichever we find (FP or SSR) since they appear to be very close to identical, or entirely identical in some cases.  Then we could just say that the publisher was both companies... and somewhere in explantory text mention the whole "look listen learn" thing.  What do you think?


 * For the golden tape, did you mean Image:BertAndTheBrokenTeapot.jpg?? The seller didn't say but it sure looks like it has the number 13945 (or possibly 13946??) on the upper left.  I don't know if that's the tape number or not.  If the seller gives a date I almost always put it into my image name; unless I think the seller is dead wrong for some reason.  Since this one is sans date I assume none was listed.


 * How do you find tape numbers in worldcat? I click on the audio listings but never see the actual tape numbers. Maybe I didn't try enough of them.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 00:04, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Worldcat's a funny thing. I find things there from a combination of perseverance and luck.  For example, I had no idea what the Sight & Sound numbering system was.  But I just started typing in titles, and I started getting titles where the top part would say Sight & Sound.  But some of the time, by the time I got deep enough to the library's site, the item wouldn't be in their library anymore, so that was a dead end. Or even more frustrating would be when there wouldn't be any number at all!  But what that did do was generate a list of titles that came out from S&S.  So finally I found one item that had a number on it, and it was GNL-200 or something.  Then I just started typing numbers that were near to it, and even though the items wouldn't show it in the library's entry, typing the number trips something in Worldcat, and it will bring it up on the main page, so now I have something like 13 numbers, with evidence of 7 more.  I tried to do the same thing with FP, but I haven't found any.  Maybe nobody bought Fisher-Price stuff, since they were sold as toys.  I don't even remember them.  I'm curious if all three companies used the same books, or if there were variations between them.  Well, we know that the FP ones were in a big plastic bag, and to me the book looks bigger.


 * No, the one I saw on here was dated 1987, and there were no other numbers on it, otherwise I would have started messing with it. I keep forgetting to ask you about Golden book and record sets.  Have you found any of their book and record sets with numbers on them?  I'd love to start getting at least a little bit of info on all 3 brands of audiobook sets! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:06, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Audio Book
Hey Ken -- I found a Fisher-Price cassette of The Count Counts a Party. It was number FP082. I also found listings (but no images) for Grover Goes to School (FP084) and Cookie Monster and the Cookie Tree (FP083). I don't know if that will help you search out more, or if you knew about Fisher Price copies at all so I thought I'd point it out. One odd thing is that the seller gave the date for FP083 as 1981 and for FP084 as 1983, which seems like a big gap. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:35, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. That means I'll have to generate a Fisher-Price listing.  I just noticed that those 3 are in a different order from their original SS record listing.  I knew that Golden made tapes of those, but I didn't know about Fisher-Price.  I wonder who made what when.  I have a record (no book) of Early Bird on Sesame Street, and it's dated 1983, so I wonder if they had somebody make tapes for them.  But my LP's show them as BT with the same numbers, so I don't know where these are coming from.  Sorry, I'm just thinking out loud.  I'll be collecting more info on tapes soon.  Do you want me to send you a numerical number listing of the original 24 SS numbers, or can you get it from the discography page?  I'm working on a triple cross-reference list of the SS tapes that are reissues of LP's.  Looks like there will also be a triple cross-reference list of book and tape sets (SS Records, Golden, and Fisher-Price).  Thanks for finding those! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:20, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I've been doing ok with the BR numbers (are those the original SS numbers?) so far just taking them from the discography/pages. Although I do best just searching the titles because so few people list those numbers.  So what is the Golden numbering system? I would guess the FP versions were made specifically because of the Fisher-Price tape player they produced in the early 80s.  Obviously the player should play any tape at all, but they would presumably have had their own line of tapes for it.  And Fisher-Price had plenty of ties to SS by then so it would seem natural.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 13:17, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Date
Also, I found another Columbia pop single, but no date. I stuck it in where it went album number-wise, but if you have any way to ferret out the dates from the numbers that would be great! -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * AAAAAHHHH! Wendy!  How did you find that?  What were you searching under?  Do you know what that is?  That's a STEREO DJ promo for 2 songs from Roosevelt Franklin!  I'm still in shock because at that time, most promos were still in mono, like the white one above it.  I didn't even know there were "pop" singles made for Roosevelt Franklin's songs, but I'm not surprised, since in that period, the major labels usually put out at least 2 singles from an LP.  Susan's Scepter album had 2, SS2 had 2, and SS1 had 2.  So now I'm hoping that RF has 2!


 * I'm kind of at a loss on what to do on the Clink Clank single. That's either a typo, or CRA renumbered everything.  But that doesn't agree with everything I've ever seen.  Even the 1974 CRA albums, which have a list of LP's and 45's on the back, list the 45 sets with CC numbers, even though they say (CRA) after them.  To me that says that they reissued all of the Columbia material, and kept the numbers.  To have CRA, and then be 1 number off, could be a mistake, when they were just starting up the label.  (By the way, on the 3-LP set I got, Signs! has 2 of the same labels on it!  So mistakes happen.)  I'll have to go back and look at all the CC pictures that we have here, and make sure the CRA's still have the original Columbia numbers, even though they changed the logo.  If it's not a typo, I don't know where to put it.  It's kind of a hybrid.  I guess we could make a CRA 76000 series, and see if we find some more.  Oh, and I think the label says 1975.


 * By the way, the singles page just got Quality status! Thanks for all of your help! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:44, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Sadly, I was still just searching "Sesame Street" when I found the pop single. I actually thought it was going to be another of the Matt Robinson book&record sets (I've found three so far sans books), but clicked it out of curiosity.


 * I guess the thing with ClinkClank being a typo is that it seems less likely it would be a typo on both the album cover and the album label. But it is possible as you note.  I think the other Columbia/CRA one we have up right now is too blurry to read the number.  I thought the back cover image looked like 1974, and it's what the seller said too.  I can't make it out on the label.  I was actually just pleased to see that there was something going on between 1972 and 1976; that always struck me as odd to have that gap in singles.


 * Congrats on the quality status -- I'm glad I could help with some pictures but you are the one who made it all cohesive! -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:04, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, but the pictures are what turns it from a list into a chart! And I'm not able to add the pictures of things I own yet.  I'm hoping I'll be able to do that soon.


 * So did you want to add the Matt Robinson stuff, or what made you look for it? I think it fits, since he's in character when he reads the story on the record.  The Bob records are him being Bob McGrath, at least the Affinity one is.  Let me know what you think, and what you find, because I'd love to at least know for my own research what the other Gordon 45's were, because I haven't seen them in over 30 years, and I don't even remember the titles!


 * Have a happy 4th! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:36, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The Matt Robinson stuff just intrigued me for some reason. The three titles I found record covers for were "The Six Button Dragon", "Giveaway Gibson", and "A Lot of Hot Water".  The last included a summary -- something about a kid who has a bad attitude that gets him into trouble.  Anyhow, I would love to add them, as I think they are quite fun, but I wasn't sure how; I didn't know he read it in character and I don't know the stories to know if there is anything Sesame in them.  I thought about trying to work them into the Matt Robinson page itself, but that page is fairly tightly written at the moment and it just didn't seem to fit.
 * It'll be great to see some of your pictures; you must have the most extensive collection of anyone around here! -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh! Happy 4th to you too! -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Can you send me the pictures just for fun, or tell me if they're still on eBay? I have the book and record for Giveaway Gibson, and I knew there were more, but I didn't know what the numbering system was.  And A Lot of Hot Water is in one of the storybooks, so we may be able to tie others into other stories.  I know that Scott had me link the Sesame Street Book and Record Sets Discography to storybooks, since they came out both ways, and he didn't feel that the record editions should get their own pages, so each storybook page has a notation of the number, and a link to a page that will have pictures, whenever we get them.  You might be able to run across them!


 * Actually, I do have quite a few records, but not all, especially the later ones toward the end. That's why I love coming here, because none of us have all of them, but all of us have some of them, and we put it together, and then the wiki has it all!  -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 20:04, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That's my favorite thing about the wiki; collecting all of this dispersed info into one spot makes me very happy indeed.
 * Here are the three cover shots - can you grab them off here? Or does that mess up your computer also? I can't find any of them on ebay currently; however you could try searching the "ended" auctions as I know I found them within the last couple of weeks (I have a frustrating inability to get the ended auction search to work).  The auctions had basically no info on them anyhow.  worldcat/library of congress can give the info on the books, but nobody seems to give the record numbers and the scans aren't good enough to read the corner numbers easily; perhaps you can squint better than me.  Giveaway Gibson is the clearest but you already have that.  It's easy enough to get the book info but so far I haven't found any images of the books.  Also I wasn't quite sure they were really Sesame Street books per se.
 * I have been looking off and on for the book&record pictures for your discography but with little luck. Either I find half-chopped off book, or there's a flash obscuring 2/3rds of it or it's the record label only but even the big print is blurry.   I did find some beautiful clear shots of (very dull) tape labels from book&tape sets but had no idea where to go with those.   -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 00:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I always keep a copy of the number, so that I can still pull it up after it's over. Well, these are cool, but too bad we can't see any numbers.  I'll have to dig up mine and start playing with the number.  The records were made by Random House!  I've never seen them get into the book and record scene before or since.  If you're interested, the book and record sets that came out on the Sesame Street label are BR-00001 to BR-00024.  (Yes, they use that many zeroes.)  Tape versions have a BT prefix.  Do you have any tape pictures?  We could use those instead or until we find a record version.  The record covers will look like Disney 7" 33 book and record sets.


 * Okay, I couldn't stand it anymore. Giveaway Gibson is RH2-A (Part 1)  and RH2-B (Part 2).  The top of the label says, "Gordon of Sesame Street" and "45 RPM".  The left side has "Random House" and their little house logo, and the bottom says, "Giveaway Gibson", "Read by Matt Robinson", "Producer: Ralph Stein", and "(C) 1971 Hollymatt, Inc."  I guess he owned the copyright, and named his company after his daughter.  Just for fun, here's the ISBN of the book that came with it: 0-394-82326-5.  The Library of Congress catalog number is 70-158393.  I'm curious if it's different from a book only version.  The cover says, "Picture Book and 45 RPM record", has a photo of Matt's head, and then, "Gordon of Sesame Street tells a story: Giveaway Gibson, by Matt Robinson, illustrated by Lou Meyers".  So that's everything without scanning it.


 * I can move pictures around the wiki that are already there; what I can't do is upload or scan or take digital pictures. Hopefully that will be coming soon, when my brother helps me upgrade.  Sorry this was so long!  Hope all my data helps! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:45, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

45 rpm center
Hey Ken -- I found a beautiful copy of the Lots of Stuff/Clink Clank Columbia single on ebay today. The seller had pictures of the inside of the gatefold, and the label in addition to the cover. My question is, what's up with the center of the record itself? I've never seen one that looked like that before... Is it a later refit? Or is that how they made them? -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That's just a plastic 45 adapter that you can snap into the middle. In some other countries, all speeds have the same size hole, but here, thanks to the Battle of the Speeds, 33's kept the 78 size hole, and 45's got the big hole.  But some companies (I've seen some on Capitol) actually had one where you could keep the small hole, or punch it out to make the big hole.  I'd be afraid of breaking the record.


 * Anyway, that's another interesting find. That's a Columbia coupling, with the same number, but with a CRA instead of the CC.  I don't know how you want to put that.  If you look at the sleeves we have now in the Havin' Fun 45's section, some have the Columbia logo in the corner, and some have the CRA logo in the corner, but the same CC number.  I've never seen a CRA version, with a CRA prefix, but keeping the original number.  What did the cover look like?  I'd be interested to see if the cover was numbered slightly differently, if they happened to have extras and wanted to get rid of them.  I've heard of Disney doing something similar back in the '50's, where, during a numbering transition, the titles were the same, but the label and cover had different numbers, until they ran out of old stock.  Interesting again! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, I uploaded the cover also. It looked just like the one we already had, except it was about a thousand times better resolution.  The old blurry one had CRA in the same spot on the cover too.  Oh hey - I just realized that the album number does not match -- it's 76048, not 75048!  I had smooshed down the cover art to 300px which makes it hard to read, especially as the seller had the image at an angle that affected that corner;  but check out the original here.  Also the seller says it's from 1974.  You may want to set Scott on that to see if he can transform it to "face on" better than I did.
 * Incidentally, I also uploaded the gatefold art inside which is way cool; for lack of anywhere else to put it I used it on the song pages ( "Clink Clank"). -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:58, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

page history
Hi, Ken! I saw your note on Danny's talk page about message notification. I don't know if you knew this, but every page, including talk pages, have a history. There's a link at the top of each page marked history where you can see each edit that was made, who made them, and compare any of them with a later edit. You can do this from Recent Changes, too, by just clicking the last link next to the page name. It will show you a comparison between what the page looks like with the most recent edit, and what it looked like before. Try it out! —Scott ( talk ) 20:20, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I know about that. It was just that this was the first time that I got a message, but there was nothing new there.  I had already been to Recent Changes, and I saw that Danny had put more parts of my talk page in the archive.  The reason I was asking him is because a while ago, the message notification actually told you how many messages you had, and where they were, like Oz or Disney.  But then it went back to the old way.  So since I'm on like 8 wikis (ones that Danny's also on), I was just curious if he or anybody had left me a message somewhere else, without my having to go through and check every site that I belong to.  -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:08, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

True Blue
Hey, Ken! I have a question at Talk:Cookie Monster and Grover: True Blue. —Scott ( talk ) 11:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, I laid out what I know, and what I don't know. I hope it wasn't too geeky! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)