User:Toughpigs/Talk Archive 21

Archive of Danny's talk page.

Episode 0849
"Cookie Monster collects money to save endangered species. He ends up buying cookies for himself, claiming that he's the only Cookie Monster left in the world." Good heavens. I so need to work this into my "Muppets and Money" essay (or possibly somewhere in the Capitalism article). Cookie extorting money at the expense of poor baby whales and seals and things. As a friend remarked when I shared the link, "that's kind of cute and terrible at the same time." -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 20:57, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't know, I think it's great. He is the only Cookie Monster in the world. Plus, he's cute and fuzzy, just like baby seals and spotted owls. Doesn't he deserve our support? Just nine cents a day could buy enough cookies to feed him for two seconds. -- Danny (talk ) 21:12, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Heh. I'm just shocked that he's extorting actual MONEY. Considering how rare it is for currency to change hands at Hooper's Store, and no apparent remuneration for repair work at the Fix-It Shop, the fact that Cookie's collecting cash stands out, and officially takes him from glutton to con artist. And Cookie is willfully ignoring the existence of his own mother and sibling for the sake of a fast buck. I don't condemn him for it, but it is a marked shift in modus operandi. If they'd kept it up, he could have become the Sgt. Bilko of Sesame Street. Or taken over Lefty's operation: "Hey, bud. How you like buy slightly used number 44 for 5 bucks and two oatmeal cookies?" -- Andrew Leal  (talk ) 21:51, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

more Countess
Heya. You uploaded the picture for Countess von Backwards' Mother, so I assume you have that sketch. Our page for The Countess says that The Count sang "I Could Have Counted All Night"... is that a parody of the My Fair Lady song "I Could Have Danced All Night"? —Scott ( talk ) 15:48, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I think I stole that picture from Warrick's Sesame Encyclopedia site... -- Danny (talk ) 15:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * 'Kay, thanks. —Scott ( talk ) 15:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Posters
Hey, would it be possible to move the poster image back on The Muppet Christmas Carol? As I've said time and again, when a larger image is placed like that beneath a heading, it always pushes down the text. Thus, the text is in line with the poster image only, but there's a large gap between "Synopsis" and text. I've had this problem on different computer set-ups in four different places, so I know it's not just me. For the most part, I know I have to lump it, but if you could move it back, I'd appreciate it. I'm not sure what harm it did where it was (Scott's said in some cases it messes up the section edit links, though I don't think that's the case here), but it really bothers me when I have to read pages like that, so decreasing that number by even one would be a mitzvah. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 20:43, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I know you've mentioned it before, but I hadn't looked into it. It looks normal on Firefox -- but I just checked it out on Internet Explorer, and you're right, it looks terrible. I've put up screenshots of both. I'm going to ask Scott to look at this too, and then we'll figure out what to do -- it might be something that I can ask the tech people to fix. Andrew, can you give me some more examples of pages where that happens? -- Danny (talk ) 21:08, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Stunt Muppets is one of the worst. Scott recently swapped images on Kermit's Swamp Years with the same result, as seen here. If the larger image is at the top of the page, it usually doesn't happen, but if it's swapped, or placed beneath a box, then it creates a huge gap. -- Andrew Leal  (talk ) 21:25, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Damn, damn, damn. I didn't know it was bad like that. Are you using Internet Explorer? -- Danny (talk ) 21:37, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, always have. I don't have FireFox, and even if I installed it, I doubt I'm the only Wiki editor/reader on IE. -- 21:44, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


 * No, definitely not. I just wanted to know the extent of the problem. I think IE is probably the browser that most of our readers use. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:53, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Following up from the details on my talk page, if you decide to take this to John, I stored our screenshots here: Sandbox: edit links problem. —Scott ( talk ) 22:49, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Cool. I want them to fix the appalling slowness of the site first, but then I'll talk to him about this. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


 * How is it possible that we've been working here for over a year and a half, and this is just coming up now? This has to be a new development glitch. I hope we get it fixed soon. Fraggle Rock looks horrible now since you moved the pictures. —Scott ( talk ) 03:02, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It's been a problem with me for nearly a year. Just when I've mentioned it in the past, nothing came of it, or you and Danny would just say it was my screen resolution. What problem are you having with Fraggle Rock? It looks fine to me (though there was only one spacing issue there to begin with). -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:38, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Andrew, I'm sorry that we haven't paid attention to this in the past. You're right, those pages look terrible on IE; I didn't realize. I'll send all of this to John in a couple days, once I'm sure that they've fixed the slowdown issues. Unfortunately, I don't know how long it'll take them to fix this -- it sucks, but this is a minor issue compared to some of the other things they're working on. If it's easy, it could take them ten minutes; if not, then it'll probably end up on a list along with a bunch of other things.


 * So for now, I think we have to make a choice about how to handle it. The way that Scott and I have been handling it, moving pictures under the section headings, makes things look crappy on IE. Putting all the pictures at the top of the page bunches up the edit links on Firefox, making things look crappy there.


 * I think fixing the IE problem is more important than the Firefox problem, and if we have to make a choice, we should fix the IE one. IE is a very common browser -- it might even be the majority browser for our users.


 * So here's my proposal: Until we get this problem fixed one way or the other, we move pictures to the top. On pages with lots of section headings like Fraggle Rock and Stunt Muppets, we add to the bottom of the page, so the edit links go away.


 * That's not a perfect solution, obviously, because it means we lose section edit links, but it makes pages that look decent on all browsers. What do you guys think? -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 13:31, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's a good idea. But really it should be every page on the wiki. We could ask John to do it wiki-wide, or I could let croebot run for a day and add the NOEDITSECTION code to the whole database. —Scott ( talk ) 15:13, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't mind having Croebot come to the rescue. Is there any page on the wiki where section editing is important? I just want to make sure we're not messing something up before we go ahead. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 15:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't know off the top of my head, but this is a topic for community discussion. I use section edit links all the time -- in fact, I almost never use the edit this page link at the top of the page. I'm sure other contributors use those links often as well. Removing them would be taking away a major feature of the familiar wiki structure. —Scott ( talk ) 15:53, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree -- I use them all the time too, and I don't want to lose them. So we could forget the wiki-wide thing and just use it on pages where the edit links will be a problem -- Jim Henson, Fraggle Rock, Stunt Muppets, Kermit's Swamp Years. Maybe Andrew can help us identify some other problem pages. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 15:57, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I dunno. The more I think about it the more I really don't want to lose any more features. The wiki becomes handicapped in some new way at least once or twice a month... it just feels like this outlet of fun dies a little more each time. Can we ask the tech team about it before we make any drastic changes? —Scott ( talk ) 16:13, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll definitely ask the tech team. I'm sorry that it feels like things get less fun -- you know that I'm working hard to keep things running the way we want them to. I don't get the final say on how things work, but I have a voice, and I'm trying to use it to make things better.


 * Meanwhile, I'd like to fix the worst offenders, if we can identify them. If the Jim Henson page looks like crap, then that's really embarrassing. I think we can sacrifice edit links on a minority of pages if it makes those pages look better on all browsers. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 16:34, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I know you're working hard to keep the mad scientists at bay, I really appreciate that. I'm glad you have a voice they'll listen to and the patience to keep at them.
 * I agree that our major pages shouldn't look screwy, but to me, having to throw a crutch on the wiki every month is just as embarrassing. If we're going to do the NOEDITSECTION thing on some pages, I'd like to keep track of them on a sandbox page so that we can go back and take them out later if and when it ever gets fixed. Again, it should just be a simple HTML fix on their end though. It would help if we opened up the request to the volunteer development team. They might be better suited to figure it out than John would with all that he has to deal with. —Scott ( talk ) 17:15, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * "Mad scientists" made me laugh.


 * I agree, the crutch should just be temporary, until they fix this. And I'm being a little pessimistic -- for all we know, I might mention it to them, and they'll fix it right away.


 * So how about this: We'll do the noedit thing on some of the major pages, to make sure they look okay. We don't need to keep track of them on a special page -- you can do a search for, and all the pages come up.


 * I'll write to the tech folks in a couple days. I really don't want to bother them with anything until I'm sure that they've resolved the page loading problems... That's the most important thing, and I don't want our request to get lost while they're dealing with that.


 * And meanwhile, you try to keep despair at bay. We're better off now than we were yesterday, because now we actually understand the problem. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 17:25, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Something to add here is the fact that with some pages, the problem might potentially be solved by either adding text, or swapping larger pictures to larger paragraphs. The problem seems to always arise when an image is larger than the text area it accompanies and is followed by another image in the next section. The second image is always pushed down, and so the text is pushed down to align itself with it, creating the gap; posters are the worst on this, and if an info box follows the situation is even worse. But on pages like Don Sahlin, images are placed sectionally, but it still looks dandy because they're precisely the same size as the text they accompany. With something like Stunt Muppets, there's already as much text as can be said about it, and frankly I don't think the loss of edit links is an issue since it's not a page which is likely to change much or which the majority of editors notice to tinker with anyway (I seldom use section edit links myself, outside of talk pages, list pages, or "connection" sections). But with a page like Jim Henson, I can definitely see how the lack could be a problem. So perhaps the solution would be to play around with the images and text. I'm sure there's always more to say about Jim anyway, so expanding text, or making sure that the larger images are only used with larger paragraphs, would help, and at the same time improve the page as a whole. Worst case scenario, if there's just too many images, I might in fact temporarily recommend a gallery. I know we try not to do that with standard character/Muppeteer pages, but it might be a worthwhile temporary compromise, keeping the excess images on the Wiki until Wikia fixes the larger-scale issue. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 17:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Right now, I'd like to go with a quick fix -- I agree that it's best if we can expand the text and make the article better, but obviously, that takes time. I think for now we can just move the pictures and add the NOEDIT code, and then deal with it when we have some more information from the tech folks. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 17:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Here's what I mean. This is a screengrab of the earlier Fraggle Rock page. The problem is that second title image, of the video edit. It was the only trouble spot on the page, and could be solved by either expanding the intro text, or moving the image. It's a variant and so, frankly, not all that important, the sort of thing which could be easily noted in a gallery form, as we have with book or video cover re-issues, or simply moved further down the page, to the section on video releases (the trivia note about the edit should be merged there, since that's what it's relevant to). With pages like that, it *is* pretty much a quick fix. In fact, I've just done it. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 17:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, whatever works. You can see the problems much more easily than I can -- I'm using Firefox, so I'm not seeing the trouble spots the way that you are. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 17:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Danny, can you check Safari to see if the problem exists there? So far it's just IE. Not Firefox or Opera. Which again, in addendum to my commnets about the issue on my talk page, doesn't surprise me. —Scott ( talk ) 18:19, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Mad About the Goat
Thanks for picking the Mad Goat Song! As soon as I saw the entry, I had to find it on YouTube! It's scary how much I remembered, since I haven't seen it in 25 years!

See you next week! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:21, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Bob's Birthday
Heya. You added a second birthday for Bob a long time ago. Do you remember that, or should we take one of them out? —Scott ( talk ) 03:05, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Archive Questions
Hey, Danny! Well, now that I'm back, and shifting gears again from Disney stuff to Muppet stuff, I wanted to let you know that I love the papers you posted, too. I was wondering if you knew if anybody there would know where the Workshop has all of their documents about the audio masters. I always see in reference books that people will thank research departments of record labels, so I'm thinking that there has to be some place where they've got information on how the record label started, and recording sessions, and stuff like that. I know the archive probably doesn't have it, but I'm thinking maybe down the road, I can find out, and take a trip there someday!

By the way, all I could find at DL/DCA was various sizes of plush Kermit, Fozzie, Piggy, Gonzo and Beaker (those had generic labels to be sold in both DL/WDW), some Kermit and Animal baseball caps (with DL Resort labels), and some real drumsticks with Animal's name written on them! I almost bought them, but I can't play the drums! So maybe I can add all that later on (if they're not here somewhere already!) -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:16, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, welcome back! I don't know anything about the audio masters... The stuff in the archives is a big jumble. Sometimes you can find exactly what you're looking for, but most of the time, I'm just rummaging around through stuff, and finding whatever I find. You'll see how it is when we go down together.


 * Take a look at the pdf files on the library page -- they list the contents of all of the boxes that have been indexed. If you look through those, you might find stuff that you'll want to look at when you go to the archives.


 * Beyond that, I wish we had access to the current Workshop archives, but right now, we don't. Maybe someday?...


 * And I don't think we have any of that merchandise on the wiki -- our Muppet plush section is sadly incomplete. So if you've got pictures and info, bring 'em on! -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 12:34, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Rummaging around through boxes in a library sounds like my idea of a good time! I'll bring a big bag of quarters for the copier!


 * Seriously, I'll call you tomorrow. I've got some touristy questions for you! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:28, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

First Season Show Content
I really like the papers you scanned at Category talk: Sesame Street Episodes. I especially like the first season show content. While looking at these scans, I noticed that, in the miscellaneous inserts paper, there was a skit that referred to Grover by name. I couldn't tell what the whole thing was listed as, but it said "Grover: Hey Frog".... something. I guess this would be proof that Grover did have his name during the first season. Do you think somebody should we cite this piece of paper as a source on the Grover and Fuzzyface pages? I also noticed in some sketch listing and sketch research pages, the word "dump" is written besides certain sketches. You wouldn't happen to know what this is supposed to mean, would you? --Minor muppetz 00:27, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I think seeing "Grover" is interesting -- that's a sketch that aired late in the season, so I guess they'd started calling him Grover by then.


 * I think "dump" means that they weren't planning to air those segments anymore -- that's written next to all of the segments that got "dumped" and weren't used in later seasons. There's a page and a half of Buddy and Jim sketches, and the word "DUMP" is written across both pages. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:51, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I wonder if the people at Sesame Workshop still write "DUMP" next to certain sketches these days (I guess there would be thousands of inserts with such a note). It's too bad that the reasons aren't listed (though with Buddy and Jim I guess it's because they were no longer part of the cast). --Minor muppetz 16:32, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Duplicate Puerto Rican entry
Seems I found the episode number (and started editing) just as you were already working on a new entry. Hopefully, you won't mind my more detailed version: I plan to add it to the "Blowin' in the Wind" cultural references on Wikipedia, because of Grover's throwaway line after experimenting with the watermelon ("The answer is not blowing in the wind instrument"). Adding two Sesame Street references to the same article in one day--not something I do very often over there! --Ingeborg 02:12, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Please post new messages at the top of the page. We've talked about this before. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:14, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I caught my mistake and was moving this to the top just as you responded--sorry! --Ingeborg 02:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

A Little Bit (of Information)
Hey, Danny, I thought of a song title situation like I mentioned below. Today I was at the library, and I was looking through the 1992 SS Songbook (a reference-only, non-circulating copy, unfortunately). So I made a song page for "A Little Bit", and I was doing a search so I could find an EKA for it. Well, I did What Links Here, and that brought up Old School and the songbook. On the Joe Raposo CD, it's A Little Bit (at the Beginning), which is still redlinked. I did a split (although I didn't know if you preferred a redirect page, or if a split is okay), so now it's blue and goes to the song page. But now I'm typing it both ways, and I still can't find an episode. I can't believe it's not on here by now! I hope this made sense. Anything you can do will be greatly appreciated! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:07, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I found it! It was listed in the "First Season Show Content" document as "Beginnings", so I didn't know what it was. But I just looked again, and figured it out. It first appeared in episode 0003. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 14:21, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Awesome, thank you! That was driving me crazy, since I knew it wasn't really in Episode 0001.  It's nice to know it's almost that old.  So that might be the very first song that he sang "on camera".  I love the song, and the visuals.  Thanks for adding the details and picture to the page! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm glad you asked about it -- When I went through that document a couple months ago, I had to leave out some things, because I had no idea what they connected to. I knew that at some point I'd be able to go back and fill in those gaps, so your question helped me to do that. Yay! -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 12:36, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

contribs
I fixed Template:Cont... check it out. —Scott ( talk ) 14:23, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, that's lovely. Excellent! -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:43, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry for interrupting, but what does that template do? I looked through the list of templates, but that one's not on there. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 23:06, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It's for the user pages for new users -- we always put a link to the user contributions when a new user joins up. This template makes that a little easier, so we don't have to type out the whole link. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 23:44, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

The Typewriter
I've noticed that you've recently added pages for Sesame Street episodes that you found info on at the CTW Archives that feature sketches with The Typewriter. What name is used in the episode files for those sketches? Maybe this will help us learn what the Typewriter was officially called. --Minor muppetz 05:31, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The summaries call it either "a typewriter" or "a machine". For example, the summary for Episode 0886 says: "Springs pop out of a typewriter every time the 'S' key is hit." For Episode 0836, it says: "A machine types a small letter 'h' and a hand comes in and removes it. The machine then types the word 'hand'." So that's all we've got from that source. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 23:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That's weird. And there isn't a recurring sketch title? I wonder if the writers switched back and fourth from "typewriter" to "machine" in the scripts. --Minor muppetz 20:41, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The summaries are pretty inconsistent. They were written for parents and educators, so they could anticipate what would be taught on a given day and then plan educational activities to go along with the program. The most important thing in the summary was to describe the educational goal; everything else is secondary.


 * So the descriptions vary a lot, based on who was writing the summary. They occasionally mix up Ernie and Bert. There was one where they confused Lefty with Kermit. They sometimes describe a Muppet insert without mentioning that there are Muppets in it. So I go through each summary and figure out what I can recognize.


 * The summaries are always accurate, as far as what's in the episode -- I've checked them against the episodes that we already have episode guides for, and they match up perfectly. But you have to read into them a little. I'm posting an example here, so you can see what they look like. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 20:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Copyrights and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting
Hi, I am wondering if properties owned by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting are in the public domain. Generally publications by the U.S. Government can be used as if they were in the public domain. How does this apply to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting? Than you. -- User:Kev, 13 July 2007

Song Titles
Hey, Danny! Well, it sure feels great to be officially in the top 11! Now I can settle in until I reach 3500!

Anyway, I love all of the old Sesame info you've been adding! It's just fun to read all that stuff, especially the first season. I had a question, because I noticed something. Some episode pages have songs linked to a song page, but other pages have the same song, but it's not linked, not even a red one. Without going through every single episode, is there a way to search for a song title, to bring them all up, whether they're linked or unlinked? I've tried searching before, but it pulls up all kinds of things like pages that have one word from the title, and have nothing to do with the song. Is there more than one way to search?

Thanks for all you do! I'm going to be arriving in 18 days, and I'm really looking forward to it! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:45, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, me too! I might be able to help you figure out searching for a song... give me an example of a song you're looking for. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:48, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I went through the first 87 shows tonight, and I didn't see anything out of order. I'll have to do another batch tomorrow night.  I'm pretty sure it was a Susan song from her Scepter album, but maybe somebody fixed it since I saw it last.  I'll let you know when I find it! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:52, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Dinosaurs
Not sure if this is the right and proper way to go about this, but thanks for your message! I'm about to recap Monster Under the Bed right now. Dagger33 02:04, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Great! I'll look forward to seeing your contributions. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:05, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

MTI book
Heya. Do you remember which Muppet Treasure Island book had the Frith sketches in it? —Scott ( talk ) 00:21, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's this one: Find Your Way to Muppet Treasure Island. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:16, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

early Sesame episodes
I love all the new early Sesame episodes you've been adding -- that's great. Pretty soon we're going to have 1,000 Sesame episodes. I think one quarter of the entire 38 seasons is something like 1,030-something. Sweet! —Scott ( talk ) 15:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I know, it's groovy, isn't it? I have episode summaries like these up through 1295, and there's some more at the archives that I haven't copied yet -- I think it goes through 1400-something. They get a little less detailed starting with season 9, but it's good to have whatever info we can get.


 * I've also been able to dig up some episode info in the files from the Research department -- when they do a study about a particular set of episodes, then I can sometimes find information about those episodes. I just started looking in those boxes, so I'm hoping to find more.


 * Somewhere in the world is the Holy Grail -- an actual set of files with complete episode summaries. I wonder if Karen has anything... Anyway, come visit, and we can play in the archives. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 15:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * (waving hand in back row) Me first! Me first! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:38, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

the Frog
Thanks for getting those leftover Kermits. I meant to go back and pick up the stragglers, but I got a brain fart. —Scott ( talk ) 03:33, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, no problem. They were all Kermit's . There were only a few; I've finished 'em up. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:37, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Dan Blocker
It's been over a day now, and Image:Danblocker.jpg again appears unchanged, not showing my revision. I don't think it's my browser, since it showed other changes. I re-uploaded under a different file name, but something seems to be up with this and Image:Michaellandon.jpg. You might want to let someone at Wikia know; the two minute or more delay is frustrating enough, but this situation could be worse if it continues, and if it happens to affect more than those two images. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:00, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I see both of those okay. Michael Landon looks fine to me. I don't know what the Dan Blocker pic is supposed to look like, but I can see it now. Are you still seeing a problem with Landon? -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah. Both are appearing exactly like the old, fuzzier versions you uploaded originally, no difference. Whereas the changes I made to Image:Renaowen.jpg and Image:Brucegreenwood2.jpg showed up without any problem. Thus why I'm not sure its my browser. Also, compare with Image:Dan-blocker.jpg and image:Michael-landon.jpg, to see if they look identical, since they sure as heck don't here. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:10, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that sucks. The best I can tell you right now is to upload the pics again, to a different name, and then switch out the pictures on the article pages. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:12, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That's precisely what I did, but I wanted to let you know. Mainly to be alert, in case this could become a problem again, especially with new users, who are more inclined to just keep uploading the same image again and again and become frustrated; it's happened already just with the delay. I'm still hoping it's a one time thing, but we'll see. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:15, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * For the record, they look identical to me. Powers 14:48, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Record tenses
What tense should we use with records? I saw you make the change from "was" to "is" on Fair Is Fair, and I've been wondering about it myself. I had been going with how things were done before I got here, and it seems like the LP's said stuff like, "Released in 1970, Sesame Street was first released in a gatefold cover", so I've been making everything past tense. The songs, however, seem to me to exist in the here and now, if that makes sense. Like, "This song is sung by Big Bird, and it talks about how happy he is to be with a friend." I don't know, though, sometimes I'm not sure which one to use. How do you feel about it? -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:51, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * For my 2cents worth, I'd say anything pertaining to the making/release of the record is past tense, and anything about its content is present tense. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:57, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I agree with both of you. Fair is Fair is a concept album; it was released in 1978; this song is sung by Big Bird. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 12:16, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi!
Am I doing something wrong on the song pages? -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:20, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think so, no. I've been making little edits, but that's pretty normal. There wasn't any particular thing that I was fixing a lot. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:41, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Mee-Shee
Hey, great work building up that page so quickly. Where'd you get the plot synopsis from, though? It has some odd errors and POV comments, which I'm trying to clean-up. Also, hold off on adding any more cast images (like Bruce Greenwood), since I've rented the DVD and, as dial-up puyrgatory allows, will be mining it. -- 13:56, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It's almost entirely cut and paste from the Wikipedia page. I don't usually read all those Canadian newspapers. :) I'm sorry that the plot synopsis sucks -- I didn't even read it, I just skimmed it to take out the unnecessary links. When you've rewritten it, I'll plug it back into the Wikipedia page.


 * I'm done with the cast for now -- I just wanted to add Greenwood because of the John From Cincinnati connection, and Rena Owen for the Star Wars connection. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 14:05, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it was full of wrong character names, bad grammaer, and sentences like this: "This is where they first meet the wonderful, huge and beautiful creature!" I've taken a first stab at it, mostly taking out the entire convoluted attempt to describe the climax and finale, practically scene by scene. Not good writing at all, but it does help fill out the page and is a useful start. In general, considering how high our page numbers are, and how substantial are mean page size is now, I think it's time we take another look at writing, especially for synopses, maybe make that the next big attention push; since we still have stuff lifted from Wikipedia, and a few enthusiastic contributors who have provided detailed plot summaries, but whose writing needs heavy clean-up for grammar, POV, and/or clunkiness. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:34, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Home is the Sailor Home from the Hill
On dial-up for now, which could be spotty since folks need the phone, and with the greater portion of my DVDs, CDs, reference books, etc. are lying in colorful packing bags on the living room floor. But, I am home in El Paso, on a more or less permanent basis for the next year at least, surrounded by loving parents, cheese, and several years worth of Film Review Annuals which I have not yet mined. So yay! -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yay! It was a sad few days without you. I'm really glad you're home -- this should be a nice, peaceful time for you. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 12:22, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * By the way, isn't the sailor usually home from the sea? Unless I forget what a sailor is. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 12:28, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Dial-up is horrible to work with, takes three minutes to even load the Wiki page, but if that's my only gripe right now, things are definitely going quite well. And yeah, the actual poem line is "home is the sailor home from the sea, and the hunter home from the hill." But naturally, I assumed this metaphorical sailor was a drunken cur with a poor sense of direction and a taste for hilltop distilleries. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 17:10, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

The Best of Cookie Monster
Hi, Danny! Happy 4th! Wish I could see Independence Hall! (Well, I will soon!)

Anyway, can you do me a favor and confirm the track order and put in the side break for The Best of Cookie Monster?

Looks like we're all wikiing today! I've got records spread all over the house again, and I love it! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:46, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, I added the side break. Happy 4th to you too, I'm glad you're enjoying the day! -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:55, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Is this a vandal?
A lot of his contributions are Wubbulous-related, so I can't tell.--MuppetVJ 14:39, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, he is. Scott's already taken care of it, but you should keep an eye out for that guy. He's been around for a long time, and he's come back maybe ten times in the last month. Check out the Special:Ipblocklist page... He was here as "Gonzo101" three days ago, and now he's "Gonzo102". I can imagine that we'll be seeing "Gonzo103" at some point...


 * Anyway, you've now seen his M.O. He makes lots of surprising changes very quickly -- changing performers, adding credits, saying that a puppet appeared on one show rather than another. He seems to have a hard-on for the obscure shows -- Wubbulous, Animal Show, Mopatop's Shop. It's not a huge deal, cause vandals are always easy to spot and deal with, but it's good for you to be aware of this guy, so you can block him when you see him. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:03, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Bugs Bunny Quote
Hi Danny, I was searching for Mark Krausler and stumbled onto. Would the source of the quote be reliable, because I was planning to put it on Bugs Bunny page.

"Now in his 50th year, Bugs (with a Bronx-Brooklyn accent) is probably the cartoon character who works best with dialogue -- as seen in the three cartoons in which Bugs, Daffy and Elmer Fudd argue over whether it is rabbit season or duck season." -- Jim Henson

-- Ernie and Jim 03:12, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't know... I can't tell from that page where that quote is from -- when Henson said that, and why. Maybe somebody else has a comment about it? -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:51, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I find the quote intresting. As you mentioned there isn't much information and I don't think we need to worry about it. -- Ernie and Jim 19:05, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, we can't use the quote as is. It comes from the blog of John Cawley, an animation historian who litters his page with celebrity quotes. But none are ever linked to a specific source, and a few are in fact apocryphal, if widely circulated. This one is so detailed that I'm sure it's genuine, but until/unless we can find a context (a lot of famous folk were trotted out for Bugs' 50th anniversary; was this for the special commemorative magazine? General media quotes? Commercial?), we can't use it. Further research is needed. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:38, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Tape Snags
Hey, Danny, a couple of tape questions:

1) Do you remember when and how you got your tape of Getting Ready for School? The reason I'm asking is because I'm starting to have a suspicion that Sight & Sound was an educational company that only sold to institutions, and not to the public.  The reason I'm thinking that is because while I can find Sight & Sound tapes all over library websites, I never see them on eBay, used on Amazon, or any other used record sites that I go to.  And yet I see tapes from all other labels except that one.  In fact, I'd never even heard of Sight & Sound until I got here.  That would also explain the gap from 1984-1990, which is between the end of CTW tapes and the beginning of Golden.  All Sight & Sound tapes have dates during that period.  Anyway, another funny thing is that your Getting Ready tape has a number that doesn't belong to any numbering series.  I was trying to search for numbers around it, but nothing came up. By sheer luck, I found another tape that had a number that turned out to be part of a GNL-200 series. Then I found some that have a GNL-2000 series. So what I'm saying is that Sight & Sound is all over the place, and so far I have 13 numbers (some titles have more than one number), and evidence of 7 more. So now I'm assembling a triple cross-referenced list of all known cassettes. (Sorry that was so long, but this was really hard to piece together.)

2) When you have a chance, can you go by my user page, and see if you have (or know of) any other Golden tapes that aren't listed? I'm working on those, too.  Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:09, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Ken -- I think I got my Getting Ready tape in an Ebay lot, along with other random Sesame toys and junk. I definitely didn't buy it in a store or anything.


 * I was just looking at my tapes, and I realized that I have another S&S tape, too! I hadn't noticed it, because it doesn't have a cover -- it's just a tape in a blank case. The label looks like the Getting Ready one. It's the same tracks as the album, and it says copyright 1980 Children's Television Workshop. The number on it says GNL-228 STEREO.


 * The Golden tapes that I have are: CM & Grover True Blue, Bert and Ernie Side By Side, Put Down the Duckie, Cheep Thrills, Sesame Road and Sesame Street Celebrates. Nothing new besides those, sorry.


 * I hope the gaps aren't getting you down -- we'll fill everything in someday. That's the fun of the wiki -- there's no rush, and information shows up in surprising ways. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 12:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


 * No, the gaps aren't getting me down. I've been a research hound all of my life, and I know that some days you get a ton of information, and then other days, you get nowhere.  I was just getting frustrated because I was so happy that you gave me a number, and then I couldn't do anything with it!  You know, I'll bet that one has another number, too.  They seemed to like to do that.


 * 228 is The People in Your Neighborhood, right?


 * If you ever run across the Golden tape for Born to Add (5215), let me know. I'm wondering if they changed songs like they did for Sesame Road.  That would mean Born to Add had 3 unique tape versions!


 * By the way, who put the little templates inside the page? I have ones for song, book, and album, and you do too.  That's a neat idea! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:29, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, sorry, yeah -- the tape was People in Your Neighborhood. I can't believe I forgot to say the title!


 * I don't know how those templates happened -- Scott must have worked his magic somehow. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That's okay, the funny thing is I knew what you meant! I'm starting to sound like one of those mathematical savants when I talk to Wendy and Brian:  "Yeah, that was 79001, but it was also 89006, and then 79002 became 89002..."


 * On a totally different subject, I'm on pins and needles out here waiting to hear a decision on the singles page. Are you going by closing July 3rd on the UTC time, or are you waiting until tomorrow?  No rush, I just don't want to miss it!  Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I wasn't waiting for anything in particular -- it's always been obvious that it would pass. I just added the Quality status. Congratulations! It's a fantastic page. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:55, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Aw, thanks, Danny! I want to share your congratulations with everybody who worked on it!  In true Sesame Street spirit, we all added to it, and the end result is fantastic!  I really love the spirit of fun and cooperation that we have here! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Stat date?
Tuesday, June 30? -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:21, 1 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for catching that... -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:34, 1 July 2007 (UTC)


 * No problem. Last night I saw that it said Tuesday, May 26, so I made it Tuesday, June 26, but then today when I saw Tuesday, June 30, I didn't know if I'd messed it up further, or if you wanted to be the one to do it, so I thought I'd better tell you. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:37, 1 July 2007 (UTC)