User:Scarecroe/Talk Archive 02

Archive of User talk:Scarecroe

Yip, it's Julian :)
Hey Scott, How are ya doin?

I hope that I'm figuring this whole Wiki thing out correctly -- or should I have replied to (/"edited") your comment you left on my discussion page? Let me know if I'm doing alright here!

I had to get my mind off of that huge chunk of homework that's hanging over my head, so I decided to jump right in and see what y'all put together so far. And I'm impressed. Mucho!

Anyway -- hope I can contribute every once in a while. -- Julian GonzosNoze 21:59, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

PS: Dangit! I guess I still have to edit this a few times until it shows my name correctly... :D

Redirects to category pages
Hey babe: For whatever reason, a redirect page to a category listing doesn't work. I tried it a while ago. It'll take you to the category page, but the articles are hidden. Check out the redirect you made for Sesame Street Books; it doesn't work. I don't know if that's worth asking anybody about or not. -- Danny Toughpigs 17:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I was trying to figure out what to do about that. There are a few others like that. Then I forgot about it. -- Scarecroe 17:14, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Blocking IP address
As you can see on the Watch page, I've blocked the same kid 8 times in the last three days. He keeps coming back as slight variations on the IP address -- I'm not sure how that works, if it's something that he does or just something that varies on its own. They've all been 207.200.116.xxx. He's obviously not taking the hint, and I'd like to be able to block all of it, without worrying about him popping up again with a slightly different IP. Do you know if there's anything we can do? How does that work, anyway? -- Danny Toughpigs 23:23, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It all depends on how the wiki software works. In theory, we should be able to block 207.200.116.* for 1,000 hours. But it needs to be in a format that the wiki understands. This might be a question for the mailing list. -- Scarecroe 23:45, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I tried putting in User:207.200.116.*, but it said that's not a real user name. Why does it keep coming up as different variations? I thought one computer = one IP address. Is he using different computers? -- Danny Toughpigs 23:52, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * He/She might know how to disconnect their cable/DSL modem from their ISP's server, thus getting them a new IP each time. But it will almost always be in the same block. -- Scarecroe 23:55, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * He just popped up again, for #9. It's baffling. -- Danny Toughpigs 00:55, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Sesame Street Uncorked
You probably saw this on Recent Changes already... The anon. user that I told you about last night posted more nonsense on Episode 2980, similar to his post on Episode 3980. I posted a warning message on his talk page -- User talk:68.40.190.58. His other post was redundant info on Episode 211: Dom DeLuise. We ought to keep an eye out for more. -- Danny Toughpigs 14:47, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Domain name
This was posted on my talk page... I'm not sure what to do with it, so I'm reposting it here. -- Danny Toughpigs 01:07, 26 January 2006 (UTC)


 * would the muppet wiki like use of allmuppets.com? i bought it and have not really done anything with it other than play with ideas. i'm not sure who to talk to about this so i figured i'd just post this and wait for a response. let me know what you think. i can be reached at the temporary address of "wiki(at)allmuppets.com"


 * sincerely,
 * eric (Muppet42)


 * A polite "no thanks"? -- Scarecroe 02:01, 26 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Sure. You want to do that? -- Danny Toughpigs 14:42, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Performer3 template
Hey babe, the Dinosaurs boys needed a Performer3 template, so I made one for them. You can see it in action on the Robbie Sinclair page. -- Danny Toughpigs 19:18, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Top 25
Guess what, we have stats! You couldn't make heads or tails of the stats tables, so I made a Muppet Wiki: Top 25 page. Check it out... -- Danny Toughpigs 02:31, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

The Mudman
I have an answer for The Mudman... -- Danny Toughpigs 22:31, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Sweet, I came by an illustration of him in a Treasury book today as well. I'm pretty sure there was a puppet version, too. -- Scarecroe 23:56, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

In the works disclaimer
Brad posted this on my talk page; I think you're probably a better person to work on it than me. Personally, I'd rather avoid all kinds of "crystal ball" predictions on the wiki, but I think it's inevitable that people will add them. -- Danny Toughpigs 22:23, 19 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I've been doing a lot of work on Dark Crystal stuff today. And I noticed that there were two Dark Crystal productions (the upcoming sequel and animated TV show) that were "in-the-works". There are some other entries on the wiki of in-development projects (the 2 Dark Crystal things, the Fraggle movie, America's Next Muppet…) These can be sticky situations, as a lot of stuff will change and nothing is 100% final or definitive yet. Some kind of template that would put a standard "warning/disclaimer" at the top of the articles about in-production project information could be useful. If there is one, let me know and I'll use it. If there isn't one, then I would suggest you (or someone) make one to help avoid rumors, confusion, and problems. Just a thought. -- User:BradFraggle 22:19, 19 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll let him know that I created a dev template. I'm also going to be working on the templates tonight so they're more uniform to one another. -- Scarecroe 22:39, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Today on M.W. nominations
I made a page called Today on Muppet Wiki nominations, so you can put stuff there that's worth highlighting. -- Danny Toughpigs 20:19, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Creature Shop Movies category
Do you have any thoughts on the Category talk:Creature Shop Movies? Erik and Brad are talking about changing Henson Films to Henson Shorts, and then doing other stuff, so I know you'd want to put your two cents in. -- Danny Toughpigs 17:28, 19 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I hadn't seen that. -- Scarecroe 17:48, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

reply to css on individual wikis
is there a way to change style sheets on an individual wiki? Yes you can. Edit: MediaWiki:Monobook.css. Note that this simply pre-empts the style of the default skin (so the best way to change things is copy the relevant portion of the code (not the whole code) from there, paste it in MediaWiki:Monobook.css, and modify as needed). Note also that this is pre-empted by users' own personalstyle sheets, eg: User:Scarecroe/monobook.css. Splarka 02:31, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Note: if new messages on talk pages belonged at the top, the make new section button (that + thing next to edit) on talk pages would do that, but it puts them at the bottom ^_^. Splarka 03:37, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Weird. Clearly, somebody ought to change that + thing. I'll send a memo when I get a chance. -- Danny Toughpigs 03:41, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * What I mean is, it is intrinsic in the design of mediawiki, and has been for a long time, to put new talk messages at the bottom of talk pages (using section=new). I don't think it can be easily changed (although you can add a section=0 link). I just point this out whenever I see 'new messages at top please' on talk pages. Note that this doesn't affect articles and non-talk namespaces, which often have 'new at top' policies (like the Uncyclopedia:Uncyclopedia:Village Dump). Splarka 03:55, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

When you all for the template
Hey dude: That's some kinda weird sentence you wrote on the Current events page...


 * Basically, the code uses numbered placeholders which are filled in with the information that comes after the pipe when you all for the template in the code of a page.

Does that mean anything in particular? All your base are belong to us. -- Danny Toughpigs 22:47, 18 January 2006 (UTC)


 * It's for the novice techies. -- Scarecroe 22:54, 18 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Right, but the end of the sentence doesn't make sense. The words you're using are after the template mixed comes. -- Danny Toughpigs 23:03, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Library
Glad I made you happy...! Number 11 happens to be the only one I have in the series... -- Jog 16:13, 17 Jan 2006 (UTC) Jog

Today on M.W.
I totally spaced on the Today on Muppet Wiki last night. I was going to do it before bed, and then I just went to bed. I'm glad you did it! -- Danny Toughpigs 12:38, 17 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Food Products
Hey babe: Croonchy Stars and the Welch's jelly jars would also fit in the food products category. Do you want to split up Muppet and Sesame, or put them both in the same place? -- Danny Toughpigs 03:46, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * We may as well put em all in the same place, right? I can't imagine needing separate categories. -- Scarecroe 03:57, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, we've got Merchandise split into Muppet Merchandise and Sesame Merchandise. Food Products is a subcat of one (or both) of those. -- Danny Toughpigs 04:13, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Unfinished projects
By the way, this is what I was talking about. I think it's ridiculous to have a Muppet Movies category that includes stuff that was written on a whiteboard for a couple years and never even entered pre-production. That's what we have Unfinished Projects for. I think that stuff should be listed there, and not in the regular Movies category. -- Danny Toughpigs 22:37, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm willing to concede. I'll bring it up on Current Events. -- Scarecroe 22:54, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Yay, cool. I don't even know if it needs to be on Current events, if we agree. We'll just switch it up, and people will follow that lead. -- Danny Toughpigs 00:13, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Direct-To-Video category
The Direct-To-Video (Muppets) category bugs me. Everything else in Muppet Merchandise is "Muppet Books", "Muppet Albums", "Muppet Dolls". Can we change the Direct-To-Video to "Muppet Video"? And ditto with Sesame and Fraggle? -- Danny Toughpigs 22:31, 12 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * If we do that, it should be Sesame Street Direct-To-Video. There are other specials that aired on TV that don't belong in the same category. -- Scarecroe 18:00, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * So should there be "Sesame Street Video" and "Sesame Street Direct-To-Video"? Is that more confusing, or less confusing? -- Danny Toughpigs 18:06, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Less confusing. I think it's a good idea to have a section where all the videos can go into, but there should also be a place for Direct-To-Video stuff should go too. If TV Specials gets it's own place, Direct-To-Video should too. -- Scarecroe 18:14, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * How about we do it the same way that we do the Muppet Characters? Everything goes into Sesame Video, so that'll have every video and DVD. Then stuff that's specifically Direct-To-Video also gets its own tag, so if you want you can look at the separate category. Then there's a "See also Sesame Direct-To-Video" at the top of the Sesame Video category page. That makes sense to me. -- Danny Toughpigs 18:18, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's what I'm mostly saying. Except there should be two categories. An dsome pages will belong to both. -- Scarecroe 18:21, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Right, that's what I'm saying too. It's the same structure as Muppet Characters. Christmas Eve on Sesame Street would be in Sesame Video and TV Specials. A Fabulous Halloween Adventure or whatever it's called would be in Sesame Video and Sesame Direct-To-Video. That's the same way that the characters in Muppet Characters are also in TMS Characters, or Sesame Characters, etc. I'll work on this; it'll be cool. -- Danny Toughpigs 18:29, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)

"Question answered"
My question on the Jim Henson's Muppets Comic Strip page was not answered, bitch! Look at the talk page. -- Danny Toughpigs 17:39, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Oops! Didn't see that. -- Scarecroe 18:00, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)

To-Do list
By the way, I also added a To-Do List on my user page. It seems pretty helpful. You might want to do that too... -- Danny Toughpigs 22:31, 12 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * That's a good idea! I'll put one together when I'm not so distracted. -- Scarecroe 18:00, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Movie template
I started on Template:Movie... What do you think? -- Danny Toughpigs 17:51, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)

I just put it on the Muppet Movie page, so you can see it in action. By the way, are we putting the boxes above the picture, or below? -- Danny Toughpigs 17:56, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Looks good. I'll have to start using it to find any flaws. We should do a template for albums, too. I'm too busy playing Spiderman game right now though. -- Scarecroe 23:49, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)

I, Stupid Boy Nitwit
Damn, sorry -- I should've included the ISBN in the book box from the beginning. I forgot about that. Sorry to make you do extra work on those pages to fix 'em... -- Danny Toughpigs 21:01, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * I just finished, only took a minute. I have most of those books, so I'll go back later and pop the ISBNs in. I'm also working on an if/else script that will delete the Series entry if one doesn't exist. I'm not sure if it's possible in the wiki software though.
 * Did you see the Kermit poem book I added? I never knew it existed and happened upon it in an antique store. It's beautiful McNally stuff. -- Scarecroe 21:08, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I've heard of that book, but I've never seen it. Is that where the Sweet & Silly Muppet Poems come from? Also, if you can't figure out the if/else thing, we could just put "none" in the series box and forget about it. -- Danny Toughpigs 22:21, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * No, Sweet and Silly is something else. This is just all McNally stuff.
 * As for "none", if you just do series= with nothing after it, it doesn't put anything there and it looks neater than "none." -- Scarecroe 03:01, 9 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's even better. Cool! -- Danny Toughpigs 03:40, 9 Jan 2006 (UTC)

TV template
I'm trying to put together a template that we can use for movies, TV shows and specials, that'll put all the facts and figures in a special box. I copied the box from Sesame Street and messed around with it, and this is what I have right now -- Template:tv.

Then the movie box would have the release date, director, producers, etc. What do you think? -- Danny Toughpigs 16:18, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey, not bad... Look at you go with the code! I can get behind that. -- Scarecroe 16:28, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * I know, right? I also just thought of doing a similar thing for books, too. That would clear up the problem we were having with a format for the book entries. You and I have the same problem with all that stuff -- when there's a random list of facts at the top of the page, it looks boring and messy. Making sidebar templates makes things a lot cleaner. The facts are still at the top where you need them, but you can also see the rest of the text. -- Danny Toughpigs 16:29, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, I did a Template:book, and tested it out on Cookie Monster and the Cookie Tree. -- Danny Toughpigs 16:53, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, I love Template:book. I was starting to lose sleep over that one. Now I can fix all my book entries. -- Scarecroe 17:15, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Awesome. "I found the Z! Now I can rest." Zzzzzzzz -- Danny Toughpigs 18:14, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)

We're rock stars
So how cool is it that they copied our Wiki tips page to the central Wikicity? Check us out, we're famous. By the way, I'm experimenting with new ways to do the signature. I want to start using my name in the signature; I'm just trying to figure out what works best. -- Danny. Toughpigs 04:32, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Current Events on Main Page
I like the idea of highlighting the Current Events stuff on the Main Page, so people actually pay attention to it. I changed it up a little bit, so it says what's there. If it just says the same sentence forever, it'll become wallpaper to people; after a while, they won't even see it. If it changes when there's a new C.E. discussion, then people will notice it, and they'll click on it. What do you think? -- Toughpigs 15:23, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's a good idea. Spice things up. -- Scarecroe 15:27, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Shopping links
I posted a note about shopping links on the Help:Wiki tips page... Just so you know. -- Toughpigs 15:23, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Today on Muppet Wiki
The last couple days, I've put up notes on the Main Page about new stuff on the wiki... I like that, and I'm thinking about making that a regular feature. Maybe "Today on Muppet Wiki". Every night, we pick something that's interesting or notable that's been posted or added to, and we put it up there. Ultimately, there'll be seven things on that list -- a full week. After that, when we add the eighth thing, we take out the first one, so there's always a week's worth. I like the idea of showing off how the wiki's always growing every day. If the Main Page stays the same all the time, it looks kind of static, so I want to make the growth and activity visible to readers. Do you dig? -- Toughpigs 01:32, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * I dig. I figured we'd be doing something like that eventually. But do we have enough fleshed-out articles to do that with now? -- Scarecroe 01:46, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * I guess we'll find out. Part of the idea is that by drawing people's attention to various bits of the wiki, they'll jump in and add stuff. So an article doesn't have to be super-finished. I put up the Rumors category yesterday, even though there's hardly anything in it, and right away we got a new article. I already have something planned for tonight... -- Toughpigs 02:49, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Plagiarism policy
Okay, I posted a draft of the Plagiarism policy. Can you take a look at it? -- Toughpigs 17:04, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks good to me. I put it on my watchlist. If I think of anything to add, I'll dig in. -- Scarecroe 21:41, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Peter looked at it today. He said it was basically good. He's going to play with it some more, probably tonight. -- Toughpigs 22:45, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Rumors category
I like to live dangerously. -- Toughpigs 01:03, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Dies vs. Passes away
I think on the Timeline pages we should say that someone "dies" rather than "passes away". "Passes away" actually sounds worse to me, like we're making a big deal about it. "Dies" sounds neutral and factual to me. Also, Chris Young is not a celebrity. -- Toughpigs 23:02, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Saying someone's dead sounds morbid to me. Saying they passed away is a more gentle way of stating the same thing. But I guess it's a matter of opinion. -- Scarecroe 00:21, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it's supposed to sound morbid, we're talking about somebody dying. That would be pretty much your textbook morbid situation. -- Toughpigs 00:28, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Death can be morbid if you treat it that way. But death doesn't mean morbid. -- Scarecroe 00:30, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)

I'm stupid
I apologize for my many italics transgressions. This job is too hard! -- Toughpigs 23:11, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Celebrity status
Do you actually consider Chris Young to be a celebrity? I took the celebrity tag off of a few of the pages that I created because I decided that the person wasn't actually a celebrity in any measurable way. Happy New Year, by the way. -- Toughpigs 20:48, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * You're right. I'll start a "People Who are Too Pathetic To Be Called a Celebrity" category. -- Scarecroe 20:51, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Good idea. Maybe "Pseudo Celebrities"? "Wannabes"? I've long felt that we need an "Uncategorized People" category. -- Toughpigs 20:59, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Honestly, he's as much a "celebrity" as, say, Wil Wheaton. -- Scarecroe 21:24, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * No way. If you walked up to me and said "Wil Wheaton", I would say Wesley Crusher, and I'm not even a big Star Trek fan. If you said "Chris Young", I wouldn't know who the heck you were talking about. Also, sorry I keep forgetting to italicize titles. I'll never get it, never, never, etc. -- Toughpigs 21:34, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * If that's the case, then the term "celebrity" is subject to one's familiarity with any particular person, opening anyone in that category up to scrutinization. -- Scarecroe 21:45, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I think "celebrity" is like pornography -- it's hard to define, but you know it when you see it. I think we can have a standard that if the person is somebody that a typical reader would probably have heard of, then they're a celebrity. They don't have to know exactly who the person is, just have some vague sense that the person is well-known. I would also include somebody like Nolan Bushnell, who the typical person wouldn't know but who's kind of interesting anyway. Basically, my standard is: Chris Young is not famous. -- Toughpigs 22:11, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, I just realized why you want Chris Young -- he's the only Y name on the list. I cracked the code. -- Toughpigs 22:14, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll bet you a dollar that Carolyn or Anthony knows who Chris Young is. -- Scarecroe 22:17, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll do better than that. I'll bet you his status in the celebrity category. If either Anthony or Carolyn can say who Chris Young is, with no prompting, then he's a celebrity. But you have to just say to them, "Hey, do you know who Chris Young is?" The same way you might ask about Wil Wheaton, Gates McFadden, Leonard Nimoy or any other well-known person. You're on the honor system. -- Toughpigs 22:34, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * No way. Half the people listed in the Celebrities category are subject for removal under that rule. -- Scarecroe 22:52, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * No, he's the only one under discussion. Everybody else there is famous. -- Toughpigs 23:00, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not making a list. -- Scarecroe 23:01, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Italicizing titles
How come you underlined Alice in Wonderland? I thought we were italicizing book titles. Underlining looks rotten. -- Toughpigs 21:39, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I did that before we decided. And changed it apparently just as you were posting this ;) -- Scarecroe 21:58, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)