User talk:ErnieBert

Kermit Unpigged
So I was looking at my BMG albums (actually I only have 2, but ...) and I notice that my Kermit Unpigged is labelled Made/Printed in England all over it. It's possible that I bought it in while I lived in Europe although I thought I got it before then. Furthermore Kermit Unpigged does not say anywhere on it "Zoom Express/BMG", which is on the Amazon listing for it. Interestingly my other BMG, which is "Ol' Brown Ears is Back" says New York and gives the Zoom Express name. So the number I added for Unpigged may not match other copies people have. And/or it might explain why there appear to be two BMG numbers for some albums; if they were pressing them in both the US and England... Ok. Hopefully that made some sense. I'm distracted by Golf at the moment :). -- Wendy  (talk ) 02:37, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok. I have the second of the two Rowlf numbers (the 74860-35023-2). And for what it's worth, there are no dashes at all in the Unpigged number - I didn't gratuitously take 'em out.  It's printed at least 3 times without them.  -- Wendy  (talk ) 02:41, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this sounds like a comparison job between US, UK, and different packaging jobs. I know the ones Rich has have different UK numbers, but he's been marking them as such on the galleries.  As far as multiple US numbers (as well as dashing and spacing consistency), I'll compare what I have to yours and Rich's, because I noticed it keeps changing.  Thanks for having Kermit Unpigged!  I kind of have a thing about buying post-1990 stuff, so I don't have that one, and I think Kyle has the Fraggle Rock ones, so I think between all of us, we'll figure it out, and there's always Worldcat! -- Ken  (talk ) 02:52, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a deal on the comparisons; I wasn't sure whether to mark mine as UK since I really do think I bought it in the US... but if you think I should I will.... And I know what you mean about the post-90s stuff; that's why I only have a little of it.  But I do have to say that if you can find it, the Rowlf CD is awesome -- one of my very favorites.  And it was recorded in 1984 so you get Henson doing the voice and can pretend it's a reissue.  Just had to point it out... -- Wendy  (talk ) 03:05, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I don't know if you remember where you bought yours, but Tower Records used to sell a lot of imports, and I'd even see UK versions of Disney and other kids' stuff, so you must have an actual UK copy. And I'll buy stuff now; I just meant I don't like stuff that was recorded after Jim died.  I even bought Platinum and Sing the Alphabet again so I could see how they're doing the new packaging!  And I love having Old Brown Ears is Back!  I wish I knew why they held them in the vaults and didn't release them during Jim's lifetime! -- Ken  (talk ) 03:16, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, one more thing. It looks like the whole Zoom Express name keeps changing too.  I'll have to go into Worldcat and see if I can generate the surrounding numbers so I can get the whole run of the whole Jim Henson Records/BMG Kids series.  I'm still not sure if that was a joint venture or a subsidiary, which will change how we have them covered on the wiki.  Right now, I think both names have their own pages, and I need to figure out who answered to who(m). -- Ken  (talk ) 03:21, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S. Checking Rich's other BMG CD's, your catalog(ue) number is British. -- Ken (talk ) 22:35, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Songs
Hey, Ken! I hadn't noticed it before, since most of the edits were in October and November, but just to let you know, we don't generally include the season sets as "video releases" on a song page. Since if the entire episode is on the set, it's logical to assume the song is too (and if the song was edited, that's worth noting there). Plus it then requires that the list *also* track down the Time Life Best of the Muppet Show releases and anything and everything else. Thanks! -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 17:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw Scott talking to somebody about that a while ago, and I couldn't do a whole lot of fast repetitive edits to redo those when I was having my computer problems. I'll work on those, since I'm also checking missing album titles on song pages, checking composer credits, the usual stuff I do.  Thanks for letting me know! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:40, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Thought of You
I took time out this weekend to garage sale and hit a flea market on Sunday. I actually found three Muppet records (one Muppet Babies, two Sesame Street), but alas they are already here (which I figured. lol). But anyway, you were thought of! -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 15:36, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks, Nate! Did you buy those?  What were they?  You know, a lot of the recordings have multiple covers, or titles, or catalog numbers, or other variations that I love to document.  So if you have any other recordings, let me know! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I did buy them, they were a quarter! First glance on the wiki they are the same.  Right now they are being put aside til I have a little more time to play with them. I will create pages for any songs not already on here, and give them a listen as well.  It'll be July though I'm sure before that happens, for I have zero time til then.  sigh.  It was actually a good Muppet weekend, as I picked up a couple other oddities that are fun.  -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate  (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 14:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Delete request tag
Thanks. I was sure there was some official way to do that, but I couldn't find it anywhere. You'll get a cookie too! -- Mark ( talk ) 04:45, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Andrew told me about it. That way I don't have to ask somebody to do it every time.  When you put the delete tag on, it goes into a delete category, and the admins will see it and take care of it.


 * By the way, where have you been? I've missed you! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:48, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I was on an extended wiki vacation. (As previously mentioned elsewhere, I have weird wiki OCD, which I imagine you can sympathize with, so I take vacations whenever I start to feel overwhelmed.) I spent two days in Disneyland, and then weeks afterward downloading all the music I heard in the parks (I finally got nice clean master recordings of MuppetVision 3D) and compiling CDs for the friends I went with. I got a lot of pictures of the queue area for MuppetVision and such, which contain a lot more references we don't have on the wiki yet. So once I get the film developed I'll be uploading some more pictures of that. I wouldn't even be back today if not for the Season 3 DVDs. There's so many episodes I've never seen! -- Mark ( talk ) 04:56, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Why didn't you tell me you were coming down here? I would have loved to see MV3D with you, and do all the other stuff.  (If you were only here 2 days, it might not have worked out, but it's nice to imagine.)  I didn't know you were a Disney/Disneyland fan, although it seems that most Muppet people are.  We should trade e-mails!  (And someday I want to have a Muppet wiki convention down here!)  -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:03, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Originally, I was gonna pay Danny a visit (since my friends live in San Francisco) but time was incredibly tight while we were around there. We had a wedding to go to, which was two days eaten up, plus a day and a half driving back and forth, plus the two days at Disneyland. I certainly would love to go back to Disneyland at some point (though I'm returning to Orlando next year, so Anaheim is a few years off from being affordable), and if there's time it'd be great to do MuppetVision with other Muppet fans. And for the record, I don't care much for Disney's recent films, and the company is pretty evil, corporate-wise, but I just LOVE the parks. There's nothing else like them anywhere. And the Haunted Mansion refurb was so incredible I still can't get over it! Feel free to shoot me an email with the wiki form. -- Mark ( talk ) 05:24, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

The Muppet Alphabet Album
Hi, I have a copy of this on cassette from my childhood that I just dug up for my son to listen to. As I was playing it back to see how it sounds after all this time, sure enough, those two lines of dialogue from Bert and Big Bird were there on the end. I don't have the cover to the tape, unfortunately, but it looks to be the C79010 release. I don't know if they all had this or if this one's an early one? Darthticklish 01:29, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your note! I remember when I was little that on the tape of Sesame Street 2, Grover mentions the record going around on Over, Under, Around and Through, which I always thought was funny.  I guess in the early days, they took the entire master from the records and made the tapes from them, and didn't worry about it.  I know that the Golden tape is cut, and the Sony Wonder CD is cut.  The one you have looks to be the 2nd or 3rd tape version from about 1979, and we're still finding other variations.  By the way, it's nice to meet you!  My area is the records and other music formats, so if you have anything else, feel free to add it! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:43, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Lions and Lewis
Hope you appreciate the latest Today on Muppet Wiki spotlight. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:22, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I was just going to mention it to you! Thanks!  I'm going tomorrow morning. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

New Sesame Reissues
Hey Ken -- I know you're the resident music fan, so I thought you'd be interested in reading this: Two Sesame Music Reissues Coming in June -- <font color="Blue">Brad D. (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:26, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, Brad, thanks! I hope they release 4 every 3 months!  I'm also hoping that they put out some Christmas stuff this year. I guess we'll see later on.  Thanks again! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:53, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

All Systems Are Go
Well, the PC is back! No internet clogging, my screengrabs and video files and everything are still here.... Apart from occasional unsettling noises at first, it's better than ever, and here's praying it stays that way (at least until I can buy a good new one as an alternate, but I now have the hard drive backed up, which will make things easier if disaster strikes again). So hooray! For my first new page, take a look at TV Land. The "Here's the Story" segment is cute and sweet and has a nice mix of very brief clips (old and new) and heartfelt thoughts from Caroll Spinney, Fran Brill, and Kevin Clash. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 07:25, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, great! Did your dad's friend ever figure out what it was?  Well, I'm glad everything worked out and you didn't lose anything.  I'm sure you've got a lot of catching up to do, so I'll talk to you in detail soon! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:52, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Puzzled
Hey Ken -- an odd one. This tape lot has some interesting stuff in it. Like a cassette of "Susan from Sesame Street" issued by CBS... and two tapes which they claim originally accompanied View-Master reels???? The title of one ("Sesame Street goes on Vacation") is on the Viewmaster page, and the other ("Days and Seasons") is certainly plausible, but none of the images we have show packaging with tapes.... -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:30, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Also, a tape version of Sesame Street Fire Safety Station?? -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:34, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Just when I thought I've seen everything...
 * Okay, I had to open 2 windows so I could see the picture while I'm writing to you. First, the Susan makes a little sense since CBS bought Scepter Records some time ago, so they also own early Dionne Warwick, the Shirelles, B.J. Thomas, and the Kingsmen, who did "Louie Louie" (just for trivia).  But the funny thing is that that's one of the "padded with filler" knockoff albums!  I'm guessing that CBS took legal action against the knockoff company, and somehow took control of those releases (which, if you got both albums, would give you the whole Scepter LP), and just released it under their own name.  I wonder how long they made it?  Anyway, those View-Master tapes have the View-Master logo on them, and they look like '80's pressings, which would make sense.  Remember how we were talking about toy companies all of a sudden making records and tapes in the '80's?  Well, I think also when things like Teddy Ruxpin hit, they were also trying to make other things interactive.  View-Master had made the talking View-Master in the '70's, with special reels that had a sound disc attached to them, but I guess by the '80's, they were trying to compete with the book and tape market, so they made reel and tape sets.  So that's a new twist we didn't know about before.  I think the Fire Station one was a book and tape set, which is why the book has song lyrics in it, and if FEMA put it out, it sounds like it was for schools.  I'm glad you found this set of stuff, because it looks like there's a Golden edition of SS Sing-Along, which I didn't know about!  By the way, I've got a few things to write to you about, so I'll send you a message soon! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:56, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Wheeee
Insomnia again, but as of right now I don't mind, since suddenly my net situation is back to normal, able to open multiple windows with ease, pages loading quickly, Google search is fine, accessing video sites with no problems, and able to leap tall sandwiches in a single bound. I don't know yet if the situation is resolved (I checked the modem firewall and the address is finally gone) or just a fluke, but let's pray for the former! -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 10:25, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, great! I'm praying that whatever it is gets cast out of your computer so you can be more productive.  We're heading to church in a little while, and I'll be thinking of you! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 16:42, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it didn't last. Problem is back with a vengeance, and the :25 IP is PINging again. Well, maybe with the new info I can get someone at AT&T or anywhere to help me. Sigh. -- 22:13, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yikes. Have you asked Scott or one of our other technical people?  I hope you figure it out soon! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:20, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hooray, my friend Jenny helped me figure out how to change my IP on my modem and now all is well, apparently on a long-term basis. Yay! -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:46, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool! I don't know what that means, but cool!  (Slightly kidding.  I know a little bit about that stuff, but I wouldn't know how to do it.)  Anyway, I'm glad you're working again! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:21, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Bah humbug. It was another false positive, lasting for about six to ten minutes, then boom. Waaaaaah. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:09, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Seriously, ask Scott, or maybe Danny can ask a computer guy when they're checking other stuff. -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 14:50, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

MARC Records
Ken; You might already know some of this, but just in case... "MARC" stands for "MAchine Readable Catalogue", which was created by the Library of Congress around nineteen seventy. LOC should have a compilation of every MARC record there is. MasterDave 03:59, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I knew there were various cataloguing systems, but I didn't know what they were called.  And another problem is that on a lot of these titles I don't have enough information, so certain titles seem to be "unfindable".  But I'm getting there! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:23, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * There is a set of large volumes called "National Book Index". This lists every book which has gone through the Library of Congress.  The volumes are arranged by year, and the content--I BELIEVE--is by author.  As I recall, this does not include recordings, though it might--I was using it for books.  Many academic libraries have it, though it might be 'hidden' in back somewhere.  Master Dave 00:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Adjusting Colons
Hi, Ken! Just a quick request. If you want to fix colons on a talk page, wait awhile. I was trying to reply to the Video Player question, and had dual conflicts, first from Tony's response, and then again because you moved the colons. Nothing wrong with wanting to fix things like that, but if you wait awhile, it reduces the likelihood of interrupting someone trying to add a comment. Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:44, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. By the way, I built the French Muppet album page! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Vive la France et cherchez la femme! -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:47, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And Maurice Chevalier and Pepe Le Pew to you, too! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:49, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It happened again on Current Events. No offense, Ken, but could you wait until active discussions have ended, or at least half an hour after the last response, if you're only going to fix spacing or colons (if you have something to say, that's different and I wouldn't want to discourage you; there, sometimes edit conflicts are unavoidable)? Right now Wikia is being a bit wonky anyway, so the conflicts don't help. Thanks, and no hard feelings! -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:11, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry. I was going to say something, and then it started giving me weird messages about losing session data, so I had to back out.  I'm sorry if it messed anything else up.  I shouldn't be up this late anyway. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:21, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm getting those messages too, it's a general Wikia problem right now. If you were trying to say something, then, that's different. I thought you were just trying to fix something again. On a happier note, I just added a new Will Lee screengrab to Sesame Street Cast in Other Roles, which is always fun for me; he appeared on the early TV Dick Tracy, which maintained Chester Gould's backward named-villains tradition, as "Reg Rof" (so guess what his line of work was). -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:32, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool! By the way, I finally got a chance to add my thoughts, and if I'm not understanding your concerns, please be gentle. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Sight and Sound CD
Here you go Ken. I thought you'd like this one :). -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 14:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks! Too bad we can't read the address information!  I think I might have some more leads on who or what Sight & Sound was or is.  I'll let you know when I do some more digging! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:15, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice find Wendy. -- <font color="Blue">Kyle  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 10:04, 01 April 2008 (UTC)

Disambiguation again
Hey, I'm too tired to mess with it, and I'm not picking on you, but it's a good idea to ask before disambiguating with something like Don't Eat the Pictures. With the title song of a movie/special/episode, we usually only disambiguate the song since the primary usage is always the production. This now means scores to hundreds of pages where the text is referring to the special now link to a disambiguation page instead. So either every single link needs to be corrected, or just moved back. You might want to bring it up on the talk page to see what others think, and I'll try to weigh in when I'm feeling better. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk )
 * Oh, gosh, I'm sorry! I saw that the special didn't have "(special)" after it, and I was trying to make things clearer for people who were searching for either the song or the special, so I thought I would try to clear things up, and I guess I didn't.  If you want to revert everything I just did, I guess that would be the easiest way to do it.  I can help you tomorrow night too, if you want.  I'd been meaning to bring up how we handle different pairs of disambiguations, because I'm mostly dealing with songs and albums being the same, and I thought that any pair of titles would be handled the same way.  So it sounds like it's different when you have a special and a song that are the same.  Again, I'm sorry, and I know you don't feel well, so I hope you can take something and get some sleep! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:17, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

"Can Read"
take a look at the video. The song might be from the "around the corner" era judging from the newstand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h8MDsIG1Iw

Tyrekecorrea 00:09, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * This one your talking about came from around the 80's. Cool to see it up on youtube. I'll proubley record it. I've always enjoyed this song. I like the others they've done too. But the other two were proubly from the "around the corner" ere. -- <font color="Blue">Kyle (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 07:04, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey Ken. I know you were wondering all those things you asked TY and all but i don't know what episode it aired on but there are several. The second one had Savion, Lillian and Telly. It was the same song but different characters singing it. The other one was different but still the same title. It had Ruthie, Mr. Handford and Rosita. It's a pretty cool song. I've always enjoyed it. Hope this helps out. Talk to you later. -- <font color="Blue">Kyle (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 10:01, 01 April 2008 (UTC)

Just the Two of Us
Hey Ken. Hope what i sent in for you on the cassette and CDs helped out a little. I have some others but i'll get to them later but you've been waiting for this for years and i finally got you the pic for it. So here you go. With out further ado. Here it is! -- <font color="Blue">Kyle (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:22, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Kyle! It was worth the wait!  Did you see what they did?  They replaced "The Birthday Cookie" sketch with "We'll Do it Together"!  I've also found that later versions of the "C is for Cookie" album did the same thing.  So now we know of some song changes on the classic 1974 series.  Do you have "C is for Cookie", and if you do, which version is it?  Thanks again! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:24, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I have both versions. I have the record verison and the CD one too? -- <font color="Blue">Kyle (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:16, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I meant which record. One version has "The Birthday Cookie", and the later version has "We'll Do It Together".  Which one does your record have? -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:17, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Mine is the one with "The Birthday Cookie." -- <font color="Blue">Kyle (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:45, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Cool! You have a first edition! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Ugh
Should I be embarrassed that people have to correct grammar/spelling on my own talk page? 'Cause it just cracked me up instead. I had to do a history to figure out where my new "message" was! I LOVE IT! Anyway, had to share. -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 19:31, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Nate! I just had trouble reading your message because you had a missing parenthesis.  And I'm really OCD about spelling, so it kind of jumped out at me.  But everyone makes mistakes, oh yes they do, and I'm your friend and I still like you fine! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:11, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Twinkle Twinkle Single
Hey Ken -- I found a copy of the Twinkle Twinkle CTW Single which the seller claims is 1978, so a year after the one in the chart. What I'm wondering, is how sure you are about the song order given on Sesame Street Singles?? Because he lists them differently, and from the bit of record label visible, he's got it right. So either we should change it, or they changed it in later pressings... thoughts? -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:34, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. I hate it when I don't have my stuff in front of me.  I'll have the answer tonight. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:05, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay. I've been waiting for this one to show up, since it's the only triple song 45 in the whole CTW 99000 series.  According to the back covers of the LP's from this period, the singles have always been listed as "Side A song"/"Side B song".  But this one was listed "song"/"song"/"song", so I knew that there was a 50/50 chance that we had the split wrong, since we've never seen one in person.  So going by what the seller had written, and looking at the label, "Hickory Dickory Dock" is side A, and "Alphabet Song" and "Twinkle Twinkle" are side B.  The song order is right, but the split was wrong.  I just changed the box on the singles page.  I also wanted to mention that I have the LP that these came from, and the 2 side B songs are played in the same order on the album, and since it's the same tune, they basically treated it like a big medley.  Now as far as the way the songs are listed on the sleeve, normally they always list A/B, like the other listings.  But in this case, since it had 3 songs, they listed them "long title"/"shorter title"/"shortest title".  I'm guesing they did that so it would be symmetrical and look nice.  Oh, and on the years, it's possible that we might have the years wrong +/- 1 year either way.  I don't know exactly who put the years on in the original chart, but it would be nice someday to double check that.  Some of them might have 2 dates on them, one for the recording (with a (P)), and one for the release itself (with a (C)).  But I haven't seen enough 45's to check.  If I start to see any in stores, I'll make a note to check the years.  Hope I didn't take too long to answer your question! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:11, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * For that much research, I think you answered pretty quickly :). I'm glad we cleared up the song order issue; it was really really confusing to me to have the album cover be mixed up like that!  It's hard to say about the year thing - I don't remember who put those in and I'm too lazy to go through the contribs and find it, but I do remember that we had an oddball incomplete collection of the ones we knew about and somebody came along and filled in a huge list.  I also remember (??think??) that they did it off of the backs of other albums, not the records themselves, so the dates should be reasonably accurate.  Insofar as the back covers are accurate I suppose....  Anyhow.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:48, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I meant "taking too long" in the sense of giving you a long, drawn-out answer, instead of getting right to the point. I try not to do that, but this is too much fun for me!  Anyway, I don't know if you've ever seen any of the LP back covers, but they only have numbers and titles, and no years.  I can kind of figure out when certain batches were released, since certain album covers show longer lists.  But it's always in the back of my mind to check all of that later. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:58, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

All Together Now
Hi, Ken! I hadn't really seen the page you meant. I still think it's a bad idea to create a page for the FTB car radio song (which is the only reason to disambig that way, otherwise just fix the links to that version and mention it as a see also). Now that it's clear you mean the Beatles song, it doesn't make sense to disambig as "All Together Now (Sesame Street)." If you still want that separate page, I'd move the page to "All Together Now (Beatles)" (since it's a Beatles song and was used in more than one Muppet context, not just Sesame). In general, though, since that's the version most people would be looking for (the only way anyone is even aware of the other version is screen credits and its listing on the albums, not from the movie), it would make sense to treat that as the main page and just make the other a disambig. I can fix it later if you still need help, but I'm off to bed. I've had to spend way too much time this week on talk pages, main page updates, and blocking vandals. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:42, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Looking again, Brian created an All Together Now (Alabama) ages ago. It's a dull page, but it takes care of the problem, so link to that whenever you need to. I'n going to go ahead and undo your move and link the car radio snippet at the bottom. Goodnight! -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:53, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure, now that I'm on, now you go to bed! (Just kidding!)  I have to admit that I'm getting a little frustrated, because I'm getting so slow that I have no idea what you just said, without seeing where all these songs are pointing to, which I can't do effectively without being somewhere where I can see everything quickly.  So I'm going to see what's going on here when I'm at the library tomorrow, and I hope we can straighten all this out. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:34, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

There's Always Something
Like a 1985 Promo EP from Follow That Bird (soundtrack). Are EPs singles? -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:47, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * (screams) I knew it! I knew it!  I knew it!  Wendy, thank you, thank you, thank you!  Okay, calming down, first I thought it was cool that 99074 is pink!  So we can add one more color!  Now, on the Follow That Bird EP.  Technically EP's are considered 45's, but not singles.  Singles mean they have one song per side.  EP's have 2 songs on a side, or in the case of some of the SS stuff, 2 songs on one side and 1 song on the other side.  So if it has 3 or 4 songs on it, it's an EP.  Regular store-bought EP's were made from about 1949 to about 1960.  So I'm sure this one was only for radio stations.  Did you see the catalog number?  I love it!  RCA-BB0785!  That's Big Bird, July 1985, when the movie came out!  I wish we could see the label!  RCA labels in 1985 were black, not yellow, so they really made this a special release.  I'm still hoping for some country 45's to surface, given all of the guest stars on the album.  Well, let me know what you can do with the picture, and I'll make a place for it on the already wonderfully huge SS Singles page! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey Ken
Hi Ken! Been a while but i've been working on Wubbulous World of Dr. Seuss episodes and characters with all my DVD's that i have. Sorry i still haven't had time to get you the back cover of "Just the Two Of Us" and all but i still know you want it so i'll get it to you sometime this week. But wanted to let you know that i'm still on here and still getting other thigns done. I'll start making my new list of Records that i've gotten over the past months for you if you need any help on others albums too. But i'll catch you later. Peace! -- <font color="Blue">Kyle (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 10:19, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Psst
Check Andrew's talk page. I saved you from digging out the magazine. -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 20:00, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks! I can't scan stuff yet, so I'm glad you were able to help on that one.  If you can find out which ones you don't have, then I can make a note for future reference when I'm able to scan stuff.  Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:13, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Album release dates
Hi Ken. I see that you're adding 2008 release dates for songs that were reissued on the album of the same name. The original release date hasn't changed though, so I don't see why we need to include that anywhere other than on the album page. —Scott ( talk ) 22:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You know what? You're right!  Wendy and I had been talking about what to do with albums that have been reissued and/or retitled, and I suggested doing something like putting multiple years by certain titles, so people would know which albums have come out more than once.  But now that I think about it, we've had albums like that ever since the Golden stuff and the Sight & Sound stuff, and we've never put multiple years on them.  I guess I got a little too excited with the new Koch CD's!  I'll change them back. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:07, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Anniversary
Happy Anniversary, and congrats on 1 year! You've done so much around here that I can't imagine Muppet without you! -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:47, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I feel the same way about you! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:15, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

New Skin
I'm going to send you the same thing via email in case you don't get it here. I'm having issues with the new skin too, but I went into "prefrences" and changed my viewing format to the old monobook. It's working great so far (knock on wood), so give that a try and see how it goes! -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 20:17, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I was just coming over to tell you the same thing. Use "Monobook" in your preferences, and make sure you have "view custom wikis" turned off.  Then you'll have the old wiki back.  I'm sorry you're having problems with the new skin; make sure you (both) tell Scott about it as he's collecting feedback!  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:47, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I had no idea you could keep Monobook!  Well, I'm still running Windows 98 and dial-up (I know, I know), so if it's not a basic website, things get really slow, or could even stop.  So I'm not the best person to tell Scott about what I see, because I already see strange things that are just me, like the table of contents on talk pages being shoved over all the way to the right.  So I'll let the people who have newer equipment work all this out.  I'm looking at upgrading in the future, though, because I'm sure dial-up will go the way of the 8-track someday! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:15, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

"Sesame Street 2" LP
Here is an odd one. Do you recognize that label by any chance? I've never seen the album art. It says there's a booklet with it; could it possibly be an alternate cover for The Official Sesame Street 2 Book-and-Record Album?? -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:42, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Aw, Wendy, you almost gave me a heart attack, until I looked at my copy! Okay.  That's the regular early '70's green WB label, and that's not album art.  That's the middle of the booklet, so I'm guessing that pages 3-22 came loose from being stapled into the cover.  And the person says that it's the vinyl and booklet, with no outside cover, so that's true.  It's just funny that I even thought for a split second that it looked like an album cover based on the "Sesame Street 2" on the side of the bus, except that Bert is saying "Hmmm" for no reason.  He's actually talking to Ernie, who's on page 2.  So these are just pieces of the regular book and record set, and I'm thinking that since it was such a flop, WB never reissued it like Columbia did for SS1 in a less expensive edition.  But after being on here all this time, I've learned to never say "never"! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:21, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sigh. It did seem a bit unlikely but I was hopeful.  The SS2 on the bus was what got me too.  I should have read the fine print!  I don't think I've ever seen the book for that album now that I think about it.  Ah well.
 * By the way, I do have that SS Collector picture (the Golden case with the 10 cassettes). I'm just not sure how to create an article on it.  Any ideas?  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk )
 * Well, if I remember correctly, there's a title on the front cover and the spine, so we should just call it that, and treat it like any other boxed set, and mention that it's a set of the following albums, etc. I wish we could get a year and catalog number from the back cover, but at least now we have a title to go fishing with!  By the way, I'm going to do some fishing to see if I can figure out what numbers CBS Special Products was using in 1986!  I know that records were using a prefix of A, tapes were AT, and CD's were AK, but I need to pin down a number.  Have you ever messed around with the Library of Congress website?  It's even more fun than Worldcat, but sometimes you almost get too much information!  I'm going to try some other stuff soon, too! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:16, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup. LoC is a lot of fun, only I always get myself logged out from inactivity! Ok, I'll make an article for it; what category do you think??  It's not exactly an "album" is it?  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:20, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I would just treat it like all the other boxed sets that we have, since we have things like the Sesame Street Treasury (LP set), and Songs from the Street (CD set), and I'm hoping we'll find out more about that Sight & Sound tape set. And even though we don't have a year, I would put it in 1990, since that's when all the tapes in the set started coming out.  By the way, I don't know if I told you this, but the word "album" came from when 78's were sold in books that looked like those old heavy photo albums.  And even ones that you could buy empty and fill with 78 singles had "Record Album" written on the cover.  So the word "album" was obsolete when the LP was invented in 1948, but people still used the term, so over the years it's come to mean a collection of songs in any format, which I guess will mean that a person's iPod is an album, too! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:35, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello
Just saying hi 'cause you haven't been around in a few days :)! -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 14:24, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! A very good friend from my old church brought his family down for President's Day weekend, so of course we spent most of our time at Disneyland!  And I noticed that there's new Muppet merchandise being sold in the parks, and MuppetVision is still being shown in DCA, and it was a pretty full theater, too!  So I was happy!  Hey, if you and your family ever come out to Disneyland, I'll be glad to give you a personal guided tour! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:51, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * A vacation is a nice thought at the moment! I'm glad you were having fun doing real world things and got to see Muppet stuff as well :o)  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:49, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Golden
Have you ever seen this? I wonder if it came with the tapes? -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:24, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, this lot has something called "Sesame Street '81" as a demo tape??? -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:27, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow! I never thought I'd get excited over cassettes, but these will help fill in more gaps!  As far as that tape set, yes it came with the tapes, because the back cover has the Golden logo, and all of the album titles, and I've never seen that set before!  It's also interesting because that shows a tape of Sleepytime Bird with the original title, instead of the later Golden single tape that was called Sleepytime on Sesame Street!  I'm starting to think that I missed a lot by not going to toy stores after 1983!  That's why the whole tape period was a huge hole for me, since I jumped from records to CD's, so I never paid attention to what was made during the tape-only period.  (By the way, I don't know if you're still looking for toy company versions of SS albums and book and tape sets, but that's another whole area to get into!)  And that other group is interesting, too!  The one called "Christmas on Sesame Street" is especially intriguing, because I don't know if it's a budget reissue of "Christmas Eve on Sesame Street" with a typo in the title, or if it's a compilation of songs from the various Christmas albums, put out by SS, or somebody else.  That Sesame Street '81 tape looks like a Columbia tape from the way it's printed on there, but I can't read the song titles or numbers.  Since Columbia was making record club versions of SS stuff around 1981, I'm guessing it could be some kind of sampler.  It also looks like a sampler because if you look at the left reel compared to the other ones, it looks really short.  I'm going to have to start looking through used tapes whenever I go to used book and record stores, because I think there's a whole bunch more stuff out there that we don't know about yet! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Looky Looky
ebay is a veritable treasure trove tonight. Check out Golden SS Sing-Along and Golden Elmo's Favorite Sing-Along. We don't have either one even listed. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:06, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, SS Sing-Along has a slightly altered track listing. I'm not sure how to add it to the page, but you can see it easily in worldcat (or on the auction).  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:50, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'd been meaning to bring up track order eventually. My college library has a lot of the original C tapes that match the CTW records, and almost all of them have different track orders, or in some cases (like Big Bird Sings and Ernie's Hits) tracks have been changed on later editions.  Personally, I don't want to list track differences on tapes, because it would double the page, and 8-tracks almost always shuffle tracks too (and they also chop songs in half, which I can't stand).  I'm guessing the SS Sing-Along shuffled tracks so both sides would come out even (something you don't have to worry about with records).  But finding both of those on Golden is neat!  That means there are more Golden tapes out there than we thought.  I just wish we had the catalog number, since those seem to have been a different series than the yellow 4000/5000 series.  You know, I never paid attention to the tape-only stuff in the 1990's.  I was always mad that they weren't on record or CD during that period.  But I'm glad that we're finding them now! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:16, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I found the cat numbers in worldcat (5335 and 5336) and put them on the pages. Only "SS Sing-Along" had a different track ordering (and a couple missing); I summarized the differences but if you don't like it you can take it back out.  Actually the Elmo one is interesting because it's the original release (as opposed to the Sony CD).  Anyhow, I don't know if you noticed but I had found a couple more Goldens also ("Best of Big Bird" and "Christmas Sing-Along").  Those had unaltered track listings as well.
 * Also, although I didn't have time to put it up I found "The Muppet Show 1" from Israel.
 * Hope everything's ok - you sound tired! -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 15:24, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I'm fine. I'm always afraid I'll sound boring more than tired, because I could talk about this stuff all night.  The OCD person in me would actually like to list every track listing as they appear on each edition, but the other part of me thinks that's overdoing it.  Oh yeah, I have a suspicion that those 2 songs were cut because Mr. Hooper was on them.  I haven't had a chance yet to confirm that, or see if other reissues are missing Mr. Hooper related songs.  I think that lately they've been bringing him back.  I'm pretty sure Songs from the Street has material with him on it.  Have you tried the surrounding numbers in that series?  I tried a couple, but I didn't find anything.  I might try ISBN's, because sometimes that'll trip something, too.  Have you noticed that some Goldens were sold in a regular tape case, and some were sold in a big box with a window in the bottom, but no plastic case?  I wonder how many of them were sold both ways?  Thanks for all the stuff you find! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:56, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Records
Just wanted to let you know i'm going to start working on those pics for you that you requested tomorrow. I had almost forgot and then rememebred a few hours ago but it was already night here. So i'll get those to you soon. Here's the back of one of those Columbia 45's records back covers. Ok something is wrong here. I can't seem to upload anything here. I see that the upload image is differnt then i remember but could you maybe help me? -- <font color="Blue">Kyle (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 12:07, 03 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, Kyle! Sorry, but I don't know anything about images, so you should ask Wendy.  If you're having a problem, she should know what to do.  I'm looking forward to seeing what you're working on! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 00:34, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey Ken. I'm going to try and get two of the pics for you rignt now. So cross your fingers. Still nothing. I'll tell Wendy again. -- <font color="Blue">Kyle (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 10:30, 04 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Here you go Ken. Hope this helps. Here's two of the pics for you. Hope this is what you wanted on the alphabet record.

Image:Ssalphabetback2.JPG Image:Ssalphabetback.JPG -- <font color="Blue">Kyle (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 09:26, 05 February 2008 (UTC)

Sony CD
Hey Ken -- do you know anything about a 2004 CD called Are We There Yet?? We don't seem to have it on the wiki. Was it a regular CD release? -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:06, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. I wish the person had put up the front cover, and not the back cover, but at least we have the catalog number (which I can extrapolate from the bar code) and the track listing.  Since it says Sony Music Custom Marketing (which is what they call Special Products now), that leads me to believe that it's some kind of mail-order thing, like Sesame Street Best, which was put out by Razor & Tie, through Sony Special Products.  A lot of mail-order companies (like Collector's Choice Music) have been able to license out-of-print LP's from the major labels, and make CD's out of them, and they are mail-order items only.  They have to guarantee a certain number of copies sold, so they only press so many thousand, and they're not for sale in stores, so sometimes people (including me) find out about these little-known reissues after they're out of print again!  Anyway, you can go ahead and make a page for it, and maybe we can find out some more on Worldcat.  By the way, 9 tracks is a little short, because assuming each song is 3 minutes (and they're usually shorter than that), that's only 27:00.  Most SS Sony Wonder CD's have more songs than that.  That seems to put it in some kind of sampler category, but we'll have to do some more digging.  I also think it's a sampler because I think most of the songs have been on recent Sony CD's.  You know, I was just thinking about you the other day, and I'd been wondering if you had been having any luck finding stuff.  This gives us something new to put in 2004!  I didn't like that abrupt stop in the discography, and now we've got 4 more coming in March! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:42, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey Ken. I was grouchy about the back cover too.  And the 9-songs was one of the reasons I asked you about it rather than just adding it in; I was thinking it might be some sort of promo thing, or came with a toy or something.  Anyhow, I made a page for the album (Are We There Yet? (album)) and put it onto the discography.  I don't know how to extrapolate the catalog number so hopefully you can add that.  And maybe we'll find a cover sometime for it!
 * Aside from that I found a few tape pictures and an 8track for Great Muppet Caper. I've also collected a few 45rpm labels for you as I've seen them; I've just been dumping them into a folder on my computer for now.   -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:04, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, on most bar codes for records (and other formats), the first 4 numbers (after the 0) are the record company code, then the next 5 numbers are the catalog number, and the next number is the format. 1=LP, 2=CD, and 4=cassette.  Things may have changed in the last few years because of all the record company mergers, but that's how it was during the '80's.  So we have the 5 digit number, but I don't know the letter prefix for this one.  I'm guesing it's an "A" (which is the prefix for most Special Products stuff, as opposed to "LK", which is the Sony Wonder prefix), but I'll check some more tomorrow.  By the way, I saw Kyle's note on your talk page.  That makes it even more interesting!  I wonder if we e-mail them or something, if they would know anything else about it?  Anyway, thanks for the page!  Oh, and thanks for collecting 45 labels!  I'm thinking of putting some examples on the Sesame Street Records (label) page, since there's not really room in the middle of the huge 45 discography.  There have been some other variations that I've run across, so I'd love to expand the essay, and add more pictures.  Thanks for everything! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:58, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

On the fence
Hey, "Keep On Trying" is a good example of what we just talked about on my discussion page. I can't make out the scans of the back of the album. "On" is a preposition and ordinarily should not be capitalized in a title. However, I can't tell what the text on the album cover or the record itself says. If it's capitalized like that, it should stay. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:07, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Aak! And I just sent you one, too.  That's why I think we should come up with a set of rules, and then we can double-check everything. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:22, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's sounding more and more like a current events issue. General style issues have been brought up in the past. Some have been resolved, some haven't, but it's worth discussing. Like I said, my own instinct is to follow grammar rules *unless* there's print evidence to the contrary, and that evidence is *consistent*. As far as I know, this song hasn't been used beyond the one album, so in this case, the album text would be the best evidence. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:29, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm getting confused, because we're talking about the same thing on both talk pages at the same time, so I'll wait for the next response on your page, okay? Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

OMG Pinball Number Count!
That is all. -- Mark ( talk ) 16:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey Ken
I wanted to stop by and see how things were going. I'm trying to get all the albums you wanted since of last year and getting them up and ready to send to you. I'll be doing some of that picture taking tomorrow over at my sisters so i'll let you know when i get those you wanted and then you can tell me some of the others you need now. Also i got some records of last year in December so if i want i'll send you a new list of all the records that i have now. Good talking to you and can't wait to work on more stuff for this year. Peace! -- <font color="Blue">Kyle (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 10:06, 05 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks, Kyle! I've missed doing stuff with you!  What I'm looking for is if any of the records fold open, I'd love to have pictures of the inside, especially the early LP's before 1974.  We can't show song lyrics, but I'd love to have old pictures and photos from those records.  I'd also like to see at least one back cover of the Alphabet 45's (on Columbia), and the back cover of Just the Two of Us, which I think also folds open.  Other than that, if you have anything new, let me know! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Album dates
Hi Ken. I've noticed that you've been adding album dates to some Sesame songs, but only for some of them. Any reason why you're skipping the others? —Scott ( talk ) 05:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I was in the middle of Sesame Street Celebrates, and my computer started acting up, so I had to restart it, and then I remembered I had to write some e-mails. I'm going back to finish it.  If you're talking about why some songs are still missing years on other albums, it's because I've noticed that a lot of songs are missing album titles where they appear, and the only way I can double-check everything is to go through an album at a time, and click through the songs, and make sure their song pages all link back.  If I try to add every album to a song page, it takes forever, because I don't have them all, and then I'd have to make my own cross-referenced list, so that I'd do it all at once.  If you can think of a faster way to double-check and add stuff, I'd appreciate it! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:58, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I'm talking about why some albums listed on song pages have dates next to them, and some don't. Just about every album page has a date on it, so you don't need to own all of them -- that's what the wiki is for! Aren't you creating more work for yourself by not adding dates to all the albums? —Scott ( talk ) 18:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, see, that's what I was saying. Eventually, everthing is going to be fully filled out, but right now, some song pages are missing album titles, and some of the classic songs have a long list to begin with, and some of them are all out of order.  So the only way that I can keep from getting confused is to take one album at a time, and go through each song on the album page, and make sure that each song links back to the album.  Along the way, I'm fixing stuff like the order, and catching single releases that are missing, and stuff like that.  I know you mentioned opening multiple windows, but my computer acts weird and gets slow when I do that.  I've been going to the library, but you can only be there for an hour at a time, so this is the only way I can really get anything done, until I can get a new computer (and get off dial-up). -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Single Covers
Hey Ken -- you know how the CTW singles have either a "Distinguished Productions" or "CRA" patch in the upper left? Well check out this (Distinguished Productions) and this (CRA). But they also changed the cover, just like they did when they reissued SS1. Did you know about this? And which do we put into the Singles discography?? -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:34, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Both of them! Just put the CRA one first, and then the Distinguished one under it, with a reissue note in the text.  But that raises something that I had wondered about, and this might confirm it.  You know how we always thought that the cover that's based on the Columbia cover was the first one?  Well, I've read on various sites (there have been so many I forgot where) that the group shot was the first one, and then the pink Columbia was actually the second one.  I guess their reasoning was that they wanted to show a current cast shot on the first edition 1974 LP, even though Hal Miller wasn't on the actual record.  Then by 1977, they decided to show a cast shot of the people who were on the record.  And now that you discovered the CRA 45 of the group shot, and the Distinguished 45 of the Columbia, that would confirm it.  I've always figured that the CRA 45's were repressed as Distinguished, because a lot of the ones we have that show Distinguished, would have been CRA first, because they exist in 2 versions, as far as what's in the corner.  To be truly completist, it would be nice if we could track down all double versions of the 1976 45's, since they were pressed twice, but that might be overkill.  But, there might be other 45's with multiple covers, so we'll have to keep watching for them! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:03, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year!
Happy New Year to you also! I've had a lot of fun working on all the records and songs and merchandise with you this year! -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:48, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

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