User:Aleal/Talk Archive 12

Archive of Andrew's talk page.

image requests
Okay, here are those images you requested. —Scott ( talk ) 20:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Image:Osiris.jpg
 * Image:HattieWinston.jpg
 * Image:EllisE.Williams.jpg
 * Image:Egyptian-demon.jpg


 * Thanks a mill! I'm a little confused by the Don't Eat the Pictures images, though. My vague memory was that the floating head was Osirisi, and James Mason. I still think the head probably James Mason, not least because he was shorter than "Osiris" and weighed more by that time. So I'm debating whether to add them now, or wait until I get ahold of the special myself, and can be absolutely sure. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 22:51, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The floating head was referred to only as "a demon", while the figure in the image I labelled Osiris, is called Osiris. I couldn't tell which actor was which character with all the make-up and they're not credited in the special to their character names, just as appearing. If you're familiar with those actors, I can make some video clips and you might be able to identify them easier. —Scott ( talk ) 00:02, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Ooh, wait. Going only by the picture that's on our James Mason page, I assumed the slender face belonged to Osiris. But this picture convinces me that Mason was the demon. Fritz Weaver appears to have kept a slender face when he played Osiris only 6 years after his Wonder Woman appearance. —Scott ( talk ) 00:09, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah. Like I said, that picture's not very accurate for Mason (and that's one of the many reasons I like to use images from the specific appearance whenever possible, as otherwise it can be misleading); it's early, and he was much stockier and round-faced by then. Weaver's always had a long, lean face. So, in short, if Osiris doesn't have a chubby face (I can't tell so well from the shots you grabbed), that's Weaver. I wouldn't object to video clips, though, if you feel like it. :) -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 00:14, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

be patient to be a patient
I added a pic for Robert Klein. Here's a list of those credited as extras in Sesame Street Home Video Visits the Hospital. I don't think I know who any of them are, so it's all you. Let me know if you want screenshots, and I'll be happy to supply. —Scott ( talk ) 23:20, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow! Two of them are actually significant, they're almuni of The Electric Company! Judy Graubart and Hattie Winston (Winston's done more overall, including Scrubs as Turk's mother). So now they both get pages, so yeah, screenshots ahoy would be useful. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 23:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Nuttiest thing on record
I did my best to give you the flavor of The Great Muppet Caper!: The Making of the Masterpiece, but there's only so much I can do. Looking at it again, it's even nuttier than I remembered. The quotes on the page give you some idea of the hyperactive writing style. I hate it when people say, "He must have been on drugs!" But it actually does kind of read like Weiner was on drugs. Still, it's got great pictures, and some of the jokes are good. -- Danny (talk ) 02:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * My gosh. This is indeed insane. Plus, it finally enables me to make a page on Battleship Potemkin, if I dare. Quaker church. Jeez. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 02:38, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Academy Award winners
That's nuts. I love it. It's a perfect example of a contributor following his bliss. -- Danny (talk ) 00:00, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed! Actually, I was catching up on the ToughPigs forum, on discussion of Alan Arkin's win, and saw that Joe wondered why such a list wasn't on the Wiki, and called me out by name. So naturally, I felt impelled to follow through. I was wondering how far back I could take it, and 1941 with Orson Welles seems to be as far as it goes. Though I need to check with Guillermo, to confirm claims that Jose Ferrer was on Sesame Street in the Maria/Luis wedding episodes. Also, 1961 was a very good year for future Muppet/Creature Shop actors. We connect to all four categories, woo! -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 00:07, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Justine Johnston
Yay, that's fantastic. Was she bending over when they saw her and thought she was Big Bird's backside? I love that you found the Miss Piggy/Margaret Dumont quote. -- Danny (talk ) 20:19, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, she was crouched in an aisle, with the feathers sticking out. Maria's response, which I should probably find a way quote on the pager later: "I thought your hat was my friend's behind." "Your friend's... *behind*? [shocked eyebrow raise] Ooh!" Definitely upholding the great Margaret Dumont tradition. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 20:24, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * That's awesome. That has to be in the article. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:08, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello, Transcript!
Hi, Andrew! Since I was talking to you about the transcript for Hello, even though it was on Danny's page, I just wanted to let you know that I wrote it out tonight. It's pretty much done, except for the few comments I wrote in the talk section. Let me know what you (and/or the other guys) think. Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

The Cosby Show
I'm glad we finally have some pictures for that page. Do you use a capture card to get screenshots from VHS, or do you transfer to DVD first? They don't have the usual VHS grain that shows up in VHS captures; they look nice and smooth. —Scott ( talk ) 18:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't transfer it. I got it from eMule. It's from a broadcast in Spain, good quality, apparently without syndication edits. I'm going to try to get a good grab of Matt Robinson's cameo, but he's only seen briefly, and from the side only (still, it's one of his very few post-Sesame appearances before the camera). -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 20:51, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Good idea! Also better to have them now since that episode won't be out on DVD for another few years at the rate they're going (but then, why be in a rush when the show sells so well in syndication). —Scott ( talk ) 20:56, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Jerome Raphel
I continue to be amazed! Frog bless the wiki. —Scott ( talk ) 02:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's pretty darn obscure, but now we have the answer to the eternal question, "who was that bald guy whose head the painter put an 8 on?" Of course, the identity of The Baker remains in limbo. By the by, I found an interview with Paul Benedict; no mention of the Wiki, but he seemed mildly surprised to find that people were watching his Painter skits on YouTube. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Porquoi?
Hey babe: Why the move to Bonjour Sesame (France)? I thought we weren't putting country names in article titles anymore. C'est vrai? -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Because of this! Mon dieu! Pieced together from the 1979 report you sent, an academic article by Sesame consultants on the international shows, and a defunct site on Quebecois dubbing. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:08, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah! Never mind. Pardonnez moi. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:08, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Jerry Lewis
Does he count for Mad Mad...World where he's never appeared in a Muppet production? Unless we want to tweak the description at the top of the page, which I wouldn't be against. —Scott ( talk ) 02:00, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Did you see the page? We can tweak it. We're including any celeb who worked directly with the Muppets (why I didn't include Stan Freberg in the film; correspondence and soundtrack usage seemed to flimsy) *or* the Creature Shop. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:02, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Plus, the list already includes several Muppet Magazine appearances and other celeb connections. I think, as long as it's limited to either "cast members" in the strictest sense or anyone who would go in Celebrities (and not just refere nced folk like Marlon Brando or Gregory Peck), anything goes. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:03, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I didn't see the page after you'd updated the description. I would have included him earlier otherwise. —Scott ( talk ) 02:09, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh wait, you updated it after... so that works, cool! —Scott ( talk ) 02:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah. I like leaving it open. I'll probably add The Jeffersons later, after I've checked on some of the episodics. By the way, apropos of nothing, the Barney worm is wonderful. At some point, I'll try to add screengrabs of Blarney and Georgie. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:20, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * According to p. 260-261 of Stan's autobiography, "It Only Hurts When I Laugh", he says that he is in the movie, in the scene with Andy Devine. They cut most of that scene, but he's still there.  I forget when that scene is; I'll have to pull it out again. -- ErnieBert 03:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * That's not what I'm talking about. He is in the movie, certainly, both seen and heard over the radio. I just don't know if we could honestly say he "worked with the Muppets." -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:25, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I thought you were saying you weren't including him as having been in the film. -- ErnieBert 08:35, 3 March 2007 (UTC)