User:ErnieBert/Talk Archive 06

Archive of Ken's talk page.

Beep
Hi, this is Ken. I can't come to the wiki right now, but if you leave a message, I'll get back to you as soon as I can. If this is an emergency, please contact Andrew Leal. Thank you. -- Ken (talk ) 05:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Kermit Unpigged
So I was looking at my BMG albums (actually I only have 2, but ...) and I notice that my Kermit Unpigged is labelled Made/Printed in England all over it. It's possible that I bought it in while I lived in Europe although I thought I got it before then. Furthermore Kermit Unpigged does not say anywhere on it "Zoom Express/BMG", which is on the Amazon listing for it. Interestingly my other BMG, which is "Ol' Brown Ears is Back" says New York and gives the Zoom Express name. So the number I added for Unpigged may not match other copies people have. And/or it might explain why there appear to be two BMG numbers for some albums; if they were pressing them in both the US and England... Ok. Hopefully that made some sense. I'm distracted by Golf at the moment :). -- Wendy  (talk ) 02:37, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok. I have the second of the two Rowlf numbers (the 74860-35023-2). And for what it's worth, there are no dashes at all in the Unpigged number - I didn't gratuitously take 'em out.  It's printed at least 3 times without them.  -- Wendy  (talk ) 02:41, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this sounds like a comparison job between US, UK, and different packaging jobs. I know the ones Rich has have different UK numbers, but he's been marking them as such on the galleries.  As far as multiple US numbers (as well as dashing and spacing consistency), I'll compare what I have to yours and Rich's, because I noticed it keeps changing.  Thanks for having Kermit Unpigged!  I kind of have a thing about buying post-1990 stuff, so I don't have that one, and I think Kyle has the Fraggle Rock ones, so I think between all of us, we'll figure it out, and there's always Worldcat! -- Ken  (talk ) 02:52, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a deal on the comparisons; I wasn't sure whether to mark mine as UK since I really do think I bought it in the US... but if you think I should I will.... And I know what you mean about the post-90s stuff; that's why I only have a little of it.  But I do have to say that if you can find it, the Rowlf CD is awesome -- one of my very favorites.  And it was recorded in 1984 so you get Henson doing the voice and can pretend it's a reissue.  Just had to point it out... -- Wendy  (talk ) 03:05, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I don't know if you remember where you bought yours, but Tower Records used to sell a lot of imports, and I'd even see UK versions of Disney and other kids' stuff, so you must have an actual UK copy. And I'll buy stuff now; I just meant I don't like stuff that was recorded after Jim died.  I even bought Platinum and Sing the Alphabet again so I could see how they're doing the new packaging!  And I love having Old Brown Ears is Back!  I wish I knew why they held them in the vaults and didn't release them during Jim's lifetime! -- Ken  (talk ) 03:16, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, one more thing. It looks like the whole Zoom Express name keeps changing too.  I'll have to go into Worldcat and see if I can generate the surrounding numbers so I can get the whole run of the whole Jim Henson Records/BMG Kids series.  I'm still not sure if that was a joint venture or a subsidiary, which will change how we have them covered on the wiki.  Right now, I think both names have their own pages, and I need to figure out who answered to who(m). -- Ken  (talk ) 03:21, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S. Checking Rich's other BMG CD's, your catalog(ue) number is British. -- Ken (talk ) 22:35, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Songs
Hey, Ken! I hadn't noticed it before, since most of the edits were in October and November, but just to let you know, we don't generally include the season sets as "video releases" on a song page. Since if the entire episode is on the set, it's logical to assume the song is too (and if the song was edited, that's worth noting there). Plus it then requires that the list *also* track down the Time Life Best of the Muppet Show releases and anything and everything else. Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 17:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw Scott talking to somebody about that a while ago, and I couldn't do a whole lot of fast repetitive edits to redo those when I was having my computer problems. I'll work on those, since I'm also checking missing album titles on song pages, checking composer credits, the usual stuff I do.  Thanks for letting me know! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:40, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Thought of You
I took time out this weekend to garage sale and hit a flea market on Sunday. I actually found three Muppet records (one Muppet Babies, two Sesame Street), but alas they are already here (which I figured. lol). But anyway, you were thought of! -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 15:36, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks, Nate! Did you buy those?  What were they?  You know, a lot of the recordings have multiple covers, or titles, or catalog numbers, or other variations that I love to document.  So if you have any other recordings, let me know! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I did buy them, they were a quarter! First glance on the wiki they are the same.  Right now they are being put aside til I have a little more time to play with them. I will create pages for any songs not already on here, and give them a listen as well.  It'll be July though I'm sure before that happens, for I have zero time til then.  sigh.  It was actually a good Muppet weekend, as I picked up a couple other oddities that are fun.  -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate  (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 14:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Delete request tag
Thanks. I was sure there was some official way to do that, but I couldn't find it anywhere. You'll get a cookie too! -- Mark ( talk ) 04:45, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Andrew told me about it. That way I don't have to ask somebody to do it every time.  When you put the delete tag on, it goes into a delete category, and the admins will see it and take care of it.


 * By the way, where have you been? I've missed you! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:48, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I was on an extended wiki vacation. (As previously mentioned elsewhere, I have weird wiki OCD, which I imagine you can sympathize with, so I take vacations whenever I start to feel overwhelmed.) I spent two days in Disneyland, and then weeks afterward downloading all the music I heard in the parks (I finally got nice clean master recordings of MuppetVision 3D) and compiling CDs for the friends I went with. I got a lot of pictures of the queue area for MuppetVision and such, which contain a lot more references we don't have on the wiki yet. So once I get the film developed I'll be uploading some more pictures of that. I wouldn't even be back today if not for the Season 3 DVDs. There's so many episodes I've never seen! -- Mark ( talk ) 04:56, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Why didn't you tell me you were coming down here? I would have loved to see MV3D with you, and do all the other stuff.  (If you were only here 2 days, it might not have worked out, but it's nice to imagine.)  I didn't know you were a Disney/Disneyland fan, although it seems that most Muppet people are.  We should trade e-mails!  (And someday I want to have a Muppet wiki convention down here!)  -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:03, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Originally, I was gonna pay Danny a visit (since my friends live in San Francisco) but time was incredibly tight while we were around there. We had a wedding to go to, which was two days eaten up, plus a day and a half driving back and forth, plus the two days at Disneyland. I certainly would love to go back to Disneyland at some point (though I'm returning to Orlando next year, so Anaheim is a few years off from being affordable), and if there's time it'd be great to do MuppetVision with other Muppet fans. And for the record, I don't care much for Disney's recent films, and the company is pretty evil, corporate-wise, but I just LOVE the parks. There's nothing else like them anywhere. And the Haunted Mansion refurb was so incredible I still can't get over it! Feel free to shoot me an email with the wiki form. -- Mark ( talk ) 05:24, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

The Muppet Alphabet Album
Hi, I have a copy of this on cassette from my childhood that I just dug up for my son to listen to. As I was playing it back to see how it sounds after all this time, sure enough, those two lines of dialogue from Bert and Big Bird were there on the end. I don't have the cover to the tape, unfortunately, but it looks to be the C79010 release. I don't know if they all had this or if this one's an early one? Darthticklish 01:29, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your note! I remember when I was little that on the tape of Sesame Street 2, Grover mentions the record going around on Over, Under, Around and Through, which I always thought was funny.  I guess in the early days, they took the entire master from the records and made the tapes from them, and didn't worry about it.  I know that the Golden tape is cut, and the Sony Wonder CD is cut.  The one you have looks to be the 2nd or 3rd tape version from about 1979, and we're still finding other variations.  By the way, it's nice to meet you!  My area is the records and other music formats, so if you have anything else, feel free to add it! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:43, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Lions and Lewis
Hope you appreciate the latest Today on Muppet Wiki spotlight. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:22, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I was just going to mention it to you! Thanks!  I'm going tomorrow morning. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

New Sesame Reissues
Hey Ken -- I know you're the resident music fan, so I thought you'd be interested in reading this: Two Sesame Music Reissues Coming in June -- <font color="Blue">Brad D. (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:26, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, Brad, thanks! I hope they release 4 every 3 months!  I'm also hoping that they put out some Christmas stuff this year. I guess we'll see later on.  Thanks again! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:53, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

All Systems Are Go
Well, the PC is back! No internet clogging, my screengrabs and video files and everything are still here.... Apart from occasional unsettling noises at first, it's better than ever, and here's praying it stays that way (at least until I can buy a good new one as an alternate, but I now have the hard drive backed up, which will make things easier if disaster strikes again). So hooray! For my first new page, take a look at TV Land. The "Here's the Story" segment is cute and sweet and has a nice mix of very brief clips (old and new) and heartfelt thoughts from Caroll Spinney, Fran Brill, and Kevin Clash. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 07:25, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, great! Did your dad's friend ever figure out what it was?  Well, I'm glad everything worked out and you didn't lose anything.  I'm sure you've got a lot of catching up to do, so I'll talk to you in detail soon! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:52, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Puzzled
Hey Ken -- an odd one. This tape lot has some interesting stuff in it. Like a cassette of "Susan from Sesame Street" issued by CBS... and two tapes which they claim originally accompanied View-Master reels???? The title of one ("Sesame Street goes on Vacation") is on the Viewmaster page, and the other ("Days and Seasons") is certainly plausible, but none of the images we have show packaging with tapes.... -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:30, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Also, a tape version of Sesame Street Fire Safety Station?? -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:34, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Just when I thought I've seen everything...
 * Okay, I had to open 2 windows so I could see the picture while I'm writing to you. First, the Susan makes a little sense since CBS bought Scepter Records some time ago, so they also own early Dionne Warwick, the Shirelles, B.J. Thomas, and the Kingsmen, who did "Louie Louie" (just for trivia).  But the funny thing is that that's one of the "padded with filler" knockoff albums!  I'm guessing that CBS took legal action against the knockoff company, and somehow took control of those releases (which, if you got both albums, would give you the whole Scepter LP), and just released it under their own name.  I wonder how long they made it?  Anyway, those View-Master tapes have the View-Master logo on them, and they look like '80's pressings, which would make sense.  Remember how we were talking about toy companies all of a sudden making records and tapes in the '80's?  Well, I think also when things like Teddy Ruxpin hit, they were also trying to make other things interactive.  View-Master had made the talking View-Master in the '70's, with special reels that had a sound disc attached to them, but I guess by the '80's, they were trying to compete with the book and tape market, so they made reel and tape sets.  So that's a new twist we didn't know about before.  I think the Fire Station one was a book and tape set, which is why the book has song lyrics in it, and if FEMA put it out, it sounds like it was for schools.  I'm glad you found this set of stuff, because it looks like there's a Golden edition of SS Sing-Along, which I didn't know about!  By the way, I've got a few things to write to you about, so I'll send you a message soon! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:56, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Wheeee
Insomnia again, but as of right now I don't mind, since suddenly my net situation is back to normal, able to open multiple windows with ease, pages loading quickly, Google search is fine, accessing video sites with no problems, and able to leap tall sandwiches in a single bound. I don't know yet if the situation is resolved (I checked the modem firewall and the address is finally gone) or just a fluke, but let's pray for the former! -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 10:25, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, great! I'm praying that whatever it is gets cast out of your computer so you can be more productive.  We're heading to church in a little while, and I'll be thinking of you! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 16:42, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it didn't last. Problem is back with a vengeance, and the :25 IP is PINging again. Well, maybe with the new info I can get someone at AT&T or anywhere to help me. Sigh. -- 22:13, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yikes. Have you asked Scott or one of our other technical people?  I hope you figure it out soon! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:20, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hooray, my friend Jenny helped me figure out how to change my IP on my modem and now all is well, apparently on a long-term basis. Yay! -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:46, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool! I don't know what that means, but cool!  (Slightly kidding.  I know a little bit about that stuff, but I wouldn't know how to do it.)  Anyway, I'm glad you're working again! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:21, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Bah humbug. It was another false positive, lasting for about six to ten minutes, then boom. Waaaaaah. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:09, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Seriously, ask Scott, or maybe Danny can ask a computer guy when they're checking other stuff. -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 14:50, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

MARC Records
Ken; You might already know some of this, but just in case... "MARC" stands for "MAchine Readable Catalogue", which was created by the Library of Congress around nineteen seventy. LOC should have a compilation of every MARC record there is. MasterDave 03:59, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I knew there were various cataloguing systems, but I didn't know what they were called.  And another problem is that on a lot of these titles I don't have enough information, so certain titles seem to be "unfindable".  But I'm getting there! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:23, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * There is a set of large volumes called "National Book Index". This lists every book which has gone through the Library of Congress.  The volumes are arranged by year, and the content--I BELIEVE--is by author.  As I recall, this does not include recordings, though it might--I was using it for books.  Many academic libraries have it, though it might be 'hidden' in back somewhere.  Master Dave 00:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Adjusting Colons
Hi, Ken! Just a quick request. If you want to fix colons on a talk page, wait awhile. I was trying to reply to the Video Player question, and had dual conflicts, first from Tony's response, and then again because you moved the colons. Nothing wrong with wanting to fix things like that, but if you wait awhile, it reduces the likelihood of interrupting someone trying to add a comment. Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:44, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. By the way, I built the French Muppet album page! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Vive la France et cherchez la femme! -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:47, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And Maurice Chevalier and Pepe Le Pew to you, too! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:49, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It happened again on Current Events. No offense, Ken, but could you wait until active discussions have ended, or at least half an hour after the last response, if you're only going to fix spacing or colons (if you have something to say, that's different and I wouldn't want to discourage you; there, sometimes edit conflicts are unavoidable)? Right now Wikia is being a bit wonky anyway, so the conflicts don't help. Thanks, and no hard feelings! -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:11, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry. I was going to say something, and then it started giving me weird messages about losing session data, so I had to back out.  I'm sorry if it messed anything else up.  I shouldn't be up this late anyway. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:21, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm getting those messages too, it's a general Wikia problem right now. If you were trying to say something, then, that's different. I thought you were just trying to fix something again. On a happier note, I just added a new Will Lee screengrab to Sesame Street Cast in Other Roles, which is always fun for me; he appeared on the early TV Dick Tracy, which maintained Chester Gould's backward named-villains tradition, as "Reg Rof" (so guess what his line of work was). -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:32, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool! By the way, I finally got a chance to add my thoughts, and if I'm not understanding your concerns, please be gentle. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Sight and Sound CD
Here you go Ken. I thought you'd like this one :). -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 14:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks! Too bad we can't read the address information!  I think I might have some more leads on who or what Sight & Sound was or is.  I'll let you know when I do some more digging! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:15, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice find Wendy. -- <font color="Blue">Kyle  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 10:04, 01 April 2008 (UTC)

Disambiguation again
Hey, I'm too tired to mess with it, and I'm not picking on you, but it's a good idea to ask before disambiguating with something like Don't Eat the Pictures. With the title song of a movie/special/episode, we usually only disambiguate the song since the primary usage is always the production. This now means scores to hundreds of pages where the text is referring to the special now link to a disambiguation page instead. So either every single link needs to be corrected, or just moved back. You might want to bring it up on the talk page to see what others think, and I'll try to weigh in when I'm feeling better. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk )
 * Oh, gosh, I'm sorry! I saw that the special didn't have "(special)" after it, and I was trying to make things clearer for people who were searching for either the song or the special, so I thought I would try to clear things up, and I guess I didn't.  If you want to revert everything I just did, I guess that would be the easiest way to do it.  I can help you tomorrow night too, if you want.  I'd been meaning to bring up how we handle different pairs of disambiguations, because I'm mostly dealing with songs and albums being the same, and I thought that any pair of titles would be handled the same way.  So it sounds like it's different when you have a special and a song that are the same.  Again, I'm sorry, and I know you don't feel well, so I hope you can take something and get some sleep! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:17, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

"Can Read"
take a look at the video. The song might be from the "around the corner" era judging from the newstand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h8MDsIG1Iw

Tyrekecorrea 00:09, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * This one your talking about came from around the 80's. Cool to see it up on youtube. I'll proubley record it. I've always enjoyed this song. I like the others they've done too. But the other two were proubly from the "around the corner" ere. -- <font color="Blue">Kyle (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 07:04, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey Ken. I know you were wondering all those things you asked TY and all but i don't know what episode it aired on but there are several. The second one had Savion, Lillian and Telly. It was the same song but different characters singing it. The other one was different but still the same title. It had Ruthie, Mr. Handford and Rosita. It's a pretty cool song. I've always enjoyed it. Hope this helps out. Talk to you later. -- <font color="Blue">Kyle (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 10:01, 01 April 2008 (UTC)

Just the Two of Us
Hey Ken. Hope what i sent in for you on the cassette and CDs helped out a little. I have some others but i'll get to them later but you've been waiting for this for years and i finally got you the pic for it. So here you go. With out further ado. Here it is! -- <font color="Blue">Kyle (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:22, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Kyle! It was worth the wait!  Did you see what they did?  They replaced "The Birthday Cookie" sketch with "We'll Do it Together"!  I've also found that later versions of the "C is for Cookie" album did the same thing.  So now we know of some song changes on the classic 1974 series.  Do you have "C is for Cookie", and if you do, which version is it?  Thanks again! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:24, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I have both versions. I have the record verison and the CD one too? -- <font color="Blue">Kyle (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:16, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I meant which record. One version has "The Birthday Cookie", and the later version has "We'll Do It Together".  Which one does your record have? -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:17, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Mine is the one with "The Birthday Cookie." -- <font color="Blue">Kyle (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:45, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Cool! You have a first edition! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Ugh
Should I be embarrassed that people have to correct grammar/spelling on my own talk page? 'Cause it just cracked me up instead. I had to do a history to figure out where my new "message" was! I LOVE IT! Anyway, had to share. -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 19:31, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Nate! I just had trouble reading your message because you had a missing parenthesis.  And I'm really OCD about spelling, so it kind of jumped out at me.  But everyone makes mistakes, oh yes they do, and I'm your friend and I still like you fine! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:11, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Twinkle Twinkle Single
Hey Ken -- I found a copy of the Twinkle Twinkle CTW Single which the seller claims is 1978, so a year after the one in the chart. What I'm wondering, is how sure you are about the song order given on Sesame Street Singles?? Because he lists them differently, and from the bit of record label visible, he's got it right. So either we should change it, or they changed it in later pressings... thoughts? -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:34, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. I hate it when I don't have my stuff in front of me.  I'll have the answer tonight. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:05, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay. I've been waiting for this one to show up, since it's the only triple song 45 in the whole CTW 99000 series.  According to the back covers of the LP's from this period, the singles have always been listed as "Side A song"/"Side B song".  But this one was listed "song"/"song"/"song", so I knew that there was a 50/50 chance that we had the split wrong, since we've never seen one in person.  So going by what the seller had written, and looking at the label, "Hickory Dickory Dock" is side A, and "Alphabet Song" and "Twinkle Twinkle" are side B.  The song order is right, but the split was wrong.  I just changed the box on the singles page.  I also wanted to mention that I have the LP that these came from, and the 2 side B songs are played in the same order on the album, and since it's the same tune, they basically treated it like a big medley.  Now as far as the way the songs are listed on the sleeve, normally they always list A/B, like the other listings.  But in this case, since it had 3 songs, they listed them "long title"/"shorter title"/"shortest title".  I'm guesing they did that so it would be symmetrical and look nice.  Oh, and on the years, it's possible that we might have the years wrong +/- 1 year either way.  I don't know exactly who put the years on in the original chart, but it would be nice someday to double check that.  Some of them might have 2 dates on them, one for the recording (with a (P)), and one for the release itself (with a (C)).  But I haven't seen enough 45's to check.  If I start to see any in stores, I'll make a note to check the years.  Hope I didn't take too long to answer your question! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:11, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * For that much research, I think you answered pretty quickly :). I'm glad we cleared up the song order issue; it was really really confusing to me to have the album cover be mixed up like that!  It's hard to say about the year thing - I don't remember who put those in and I'm too lazy to go through the contribs and find it, but I do remember that we had an oddball incomplete collection of the ones we knew about and somebody came along and filled in a huge list.  I also remember (??think??) that they did it off of the backs of other albums, not the records themselves, so the dates should be reasonably accurate.  Insofar as the back covers are accurate I suppose....  Anyhow.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:48, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I meant "taking too long" in the sense of giving you a long, drawn-out answer, instead of getting right to the point. I try not to do that, but this is too much fun for me!  Anyway, I don't know if you've ever seen any of the LP back covers, but they only have numbers and titles, and no years.  I can kind of figure out when certain batches were released, since certain album covers show longer lists.  But it's always in the back of my mind to check all of that later. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:58, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

All Together Now
Hi, Ken! I hadn't really seen the page you meant. I still think it's a bad idea to create a page for the FTB car radio song (which is the only reason to disambig that way, otherwise just fix the links to that version and mention it as a see also). Now that it's clear you mean the Beatles song, it doesn't make sense to disambig as "All Together Now (Sesame Street)." If you still want that separate page, I'd move the page to "All Together Now (Beatles)" (since it's a Beatles song and was used in more than one Muppet context, not just Sesame). In general, though, since that's the version most people would be looking for (the only way anyone is even aware of the other version is screen credits and its listing on the albums, not from the movie), it would make sense to treat that as the main page and just make the other a disambig. I can fix it later if you still need help, but I'm off to bed. I've had to spend way too much time this week on talk pages, main page updates, and blocking vandals. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:42, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Looking again, Brian created an All Together Now (Alabama) ages ago. It's a dull page, but it takes care of the problem, so link to that whenever you need to. I'n going to go ahead and undo your move and link the car radio snippet at the bottom. Goodnight! -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:53, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure, now that I'm on, now you go to bed! (Just kidding!)  I have to admit that I'm getting a little frustrated, because I'm getting so slow that I have no idea what you just said, without seeing where all these songs are pointing to, which I can't do effectively without being somewhere where I can see everything quickly.  So I'm going to see what's going on here when I'm at the library tomorrow, and I hope we can straighten all this out. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:34, 15 March 2008 (UTC)