User talk:Toughpigs

Die Fraggles
I'm on DSL again, at last! Yay! So, thanks to e-Mule, I've been getting all kinds of international Fraggle stuff, to note the changes/parallels in the Uncle Matt and Doc scenes (which despite the language barrier, are mostly legible through context and pantomime). So I wanted to share the above image of Uncle Matt, which amused me. From "Wembley and the Gorgs," so instead of captive kites and balloons, Matt tries to stage a breakout amongst the Silly Creatures trapped and drinking beer in the tiny boxes. It's adorable. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 14:18, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, my goodness. Not just drinking beer, but smoking too! I've never heard of e-Mule -- is that like Bittorrent? I'm excited that you're getting info on the international shows -- it's such new territory. Yay, that's cool. -- Danny (talk ) 14:24, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Coloring book pages
Hey Danny. I need some help. I know I said I would be working on the Knickerbocker Sesame Street Plush but I've started on some other stuff here. I'll get back when I get some more stuff for that that page. Heres my problem with loading some pics for the coloring page of the Muppets. It's says to be too big. Is there anyone here that can shrink them down or is there something I can do? Please let me know. -- Kyle 24 January 2007


 * Hi Kyle -- If you don't have a program to shrink down the pictures, then sure, send them to me at toughpigs @ gmail.com. I'll do it for you.


 * Also, let me help you on how to use talk pages here. You posted your question to me on an archive page -- you should post it here, on User talk:Toughpigs. You can find this page anytime by clicking on the (talk) link next to my username. New conversations should always be at the top of the page. Also, you should sign your posts by typing ~ at the end of your message. That automatically turns into your name and the date. For more help, check out How to use Talk pages. -- Danny (talk ) 10:58, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Quotes on Pictures
I noticed that you removed several of the quotes that accompanies a character's picture (such as Arthur Rizzic). Though I understand why you did that, the reason I added quotes to characters is, as you said, to "spice up" the pages. For quotes, I often try not to add the most obvious quotes for characters and go for the more obscure ones for a laugh. If you don't like them, or if they don't make sense, please let me know. I can always swap 'em. -- MuppetDude 17:59, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Andrew and I were talking about them -- we would have asked you about it, but it was a period when you hadn't been around for a while. In general, I like the spiciness of the quotes, but we found that some of them were so obscure that they were mysterious. I think the quote should match the picture -- ideally, the quote should be what the character is saying at that exact moment. Arthur Rizzic isn't saying "Go ahead and eat me" in that scene -- in fact, the point of the scene is that he's not saying that anymore. So the quote is confusing for people who are familiar with the episode, and completely baffling for people who aren't.


 * What do you think about that as a guideline for picture quotes? -- Danny (talk ) 18:48, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It's okay, but then there are cases such as Blotch, where he just says "What are youse doin'?" in the picture on his page. I thought the quote on his page was funny and was in his character, so I added it to his page.


 * What about song lyrics? The caption under Yellow Submarine was removed; was it redundant? Or should it have been more original.


 * As for my absence, I was on vacation, and I needed the rest away from the Wiki for a while. It was worth the wait to see the SS episode guide more fleshed out. -- MuppetDude 18:54, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Also, you may want to check out the talk page on If I Knew You Were Coming I'd've Baked a Cake concerning who performed it on the show. -- MuppetDude 18:56, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * For myself, I'm increasingly of the opinion that not *every* picture has to have a caption. Most of the songs with captions look odd to me, but especially those where the lyrics are from a popular song, copyrighted, and all that. If you have an interesting quote that doesn't match the picture, personally, I'd say swap the picture. I know you love them, Tony, and sometimes they work brilliantly. But sometimes, they don't. Janice had a general TMS image of her with the nudity quote from Great Muppet Caper, which someone removed assuming it was vandalism. But it's not just about your work, Tony, so you know. I don't know if you've noticed, but there's been tons of anonymous users, re-phrasing quotes, swapping them out, etc., especially for things like the minor one-shot Dinosaurs characters. And that becomes tiresome to have to monitor. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 19:00, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Andrew and I were just posting at the same time, and I was using the Janice example too. That's an example where we were using an obscure, one-time quote to represent a long-term regular character. It just wasn't informative or accurate. Spiciness is cool, but not if it gets in the way of the information content. -- Danny (talk ) 19:06, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't mind every picture not having a caption. As I mentioned before, I haven't been around much this past month, so it's the first time I'm hearing about this. Thanks for the clarification, guys. So a quote is okay if it fits the character, but not enough to be very obscure? -- MuppetDude 19:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, sorry, I should've told you about it. I would say that a quote is okay if it fits the picture. If the character wouldn't say that in the moment of the photo, then it's confusing. -- Danny (talk ) 19:18, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Cleopatra
Do you have any idea what this is? — Scott ( talk ) 06:42, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I think that's a Franklin Mint music box that was made in maybe 2002-ish. The only thing I remember clearly about it is that I didn't find out about it until it was too late to buy one. -- Danny (talk ) 19:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Today on Muppet Wiki Nominations
Hey, I don't usually question you on these things, but curious. Why did you remove that whole raft of items from the Today nominations? Not good enough, all of them, or did you just feel they'd been up there, or not? I was still sort of hoping eventually Old-time radio would have its day in the sun. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:18, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * You're right, I should put that one back. I took most of them off because I looked at them, and they weren't really as good as they should be. I didn't look at the OTR page, though -- and now that you point it out, it is a great page, isn't it? I'm preparing today's update right now, but I'll put OTR back in the nominations, and I'll use it soon. Sorry! -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, and you'd even added that one yourself, I didn't have to do it for you! I can probably add a few more connections now (once I create that page for Ruby Dee, for example), but for me, I think the best part of that list is that we can connect the dads of Jeff Moss and Tom Whedon, and Bernie Brillstein's uncle. I mean, how often does that happen? -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:51, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

no Fozzie
Hey, didn't you used to have this on a help page? — Scott ( talk ) 03:41, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it was on Top 25, but I just changed it cause I was tired of looking at it. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Unisaurs
Aww, I liked having the behind the scenes images of the head devices for Turtlepuss and Needlenose. Can we reach a compromise, before Scott deletes them? Eventually, I'd plan to do them ala Anything Muppets, with full galleries, but we're still filling in a lot of slots right now. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:44, 22 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, how about we put that in as a gallery thing further down the page? Sorry I just took 'em out without asking, I'm a jerk. The reason I took them out is that they're cool pictures, but they're not really representative of what the Unisaur looks like. I'll do the gallery thing... -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 10:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Upload file problem?
Hey Danny -- When I click "upload file" I get a message: "The upload directory (/images/muppet/images) is not writable by the webserver." Any ideas? -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:05, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I just got this e-mail from one of the Wikia folks, which was sent to the Wikia mailing list about twenty minutes ago:


 * "One of our fileservers needs rebooting which is causing some problems. The most noticeable issue will be with images - they can't currently be uploaded or deleted. Matthew is going to the colo to sort this out and we hope to have this resolved within the next few hours. Sorry about this problem. I'll send an update as soon as possible."


 * So it should be worked out tonight. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Mean Mamma/Big Mamma Citation
Danny, I'm not quite sure how you want to record this on the wiki. As far as citation details are concerned the incident of Big Mamma/Mean Mamma as performed by Louise Gold giving Prince Charles a hug are as follows.
 * 1 In the book OM&M (in the chapeter "Steve Louise And Kathy") it mentions that "Louise Gold inside one of the muppet monsters enlivened a Royal Variety Performance by attempting to embrace Prince Charles".
 * 2 There was a dicussion thread on Muppet Central some years ago (at least seven or eight years ago) about Muppet monsters, in which Jerry Nelson defintely identified the monster in question as Big Mamma, that it hugged the Prince, and that Louise was performing it. If I remember correctly, he wrote "Only Lulubelle would would up to a prince and give him big huggers" (I'm sure I printed this thread or part of it out at the time - I can try and locate that).
 * 3 I can tell you, though I wouldn't normally use this as a citation source (though seeing as I posted about it on the Muppet newsgroup at the time I will remind you) in August 1997, I was lucky enough to encounter Ms Gold in the audience at a stageing of the musical Flahooley, it was the first time I had ever met her, and, only knowing what it said in the book OM&M, I made a point of asking her "Is it true that Prince Charles once got hugged by a puppet?" To which she replied "He CERTAINLY did", see http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec.arts.henson+muppets/browse_thread/thread/c48ed6211da6365d/768f48f28082e291?lnk=st&q=&rnum=2&hl=en#768f48f28082e291

I hope some of that may be helpful to you in claridying the story. Emma 12:48, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * That's perfect, thanks! The OM&M source is obviously the strongest, so I'll definitely add that. If you can find the MC thread, that would be nice; but the OM&M is good enough. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 14:10, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

You just blew my mind
Because you added this. That was one of the first toys I ever got as a baby, which I still have. It's not quite clean and he's missing an eye, but I love him to itty bits. And I love you! Yay!!! — <font colr="Blue">Joe (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 23:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yay!!! I love you too! At the archives, I've found a bunch of things that gave me that moment -- that "oh my gosh, I loved that when I was a child, and completely forgot about it until right now." Just wait till I scan that stuff and get it on the wiki. It's gonna be 1978 all over the place. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:20, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

The Statue of Liberty
I found another one. Can you believe it? I wish we could tell if it was another Piggy rendition, but after playing around with levels in Photoshop, I think it might be a rat (the tip of the rat nose comes out over the book she's holding just slightly). It's too tough to tell, but it would certainly fit in with the theme of including rats as supporting players for the other spoofs in that calendar. — Scott ( talk ) 19:13, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * That's utterly fantastic. Is that from the Superman spoof? If so, then it's definitely a rat. I love that you found that. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's from the Superman spoof in which there are no other rats. On the other hand, the Woody Allen spoof from the same calendar doesn't have a rat either. — Scott ( talk ) 00:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Plagiarism
When you get a chance, see Talk:Gargan (now resolved, quite quickly thankfully) and Talk:Magog, and quote possibly some of Brad's other Jack and the Beanstalk pages, which I'm forcing myself to double check now. I've been quite uncertain how to address this, especially since we have discussed it with him before (but in spots, it was probably unconscious, bits unintentionally retained when re-writing the article, as even I've done, whereas Gareth was just cut and paste laziness). -- 05:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

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