User:BradFraggle/Talk Archive 04

Archive of Brad's talk page.

Hip hop
Hey, Brad. Could you hold off adding anything more to the hip hop category itself until a) we decided how to rename it and b) it's scope. For example, I don't see anything in MuzikJunky's definition or on Wikipedia that qualifies Alicia Keys as hip hop. Or Jamie Foxx. It sounds like the *sketch* has a sort of hip hop influence (though it more directly takes off of Eminem and I get the feeling purists like MuzikJunky would try to argue about him), but does that make the guest star so? Ferlinghetti Donizetti rapped at least once, but in general was focused on rhyming and named after a beat poet, so is he inherently hip hop, and if so, what price Roosevelt Franklin (who predates hip hop but fits the definition more closely). I think all this just further demonstrates the murkiness about the issue, and should be discussed on the talk page first. -- Andrew Leal  (talk ) 23:03, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll hold off for now. I added Keys as her songs are often on the Billboad Hip Hop charts amd I added Foxx because of his status as an award-winning rapper and hip-hop musician. -- Brad D. (talk ) 23:10, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * With the exception of one video, all of Foxx's awards were in the "R&B/Soul" category. I don't see anything about him rapping specifically, and he was established as an actor and comedian long before that. This just highlights the general problems with this as a category (I have other obligations and so I'll probably say more about it later, but if a category is such that in addition to definitions it involves rationale and discussion and explanation for individual items on a wide scale, it probably shouldn't be a category at all, but an article where distinctions and so on can be discussed). Something like "Sesame Street Rock" would have the same problems. Besides, as I said on the talk page, whatever comes about, we definitely won't call it "Sesame Street hip-hop" with the lower case. -- 23:22, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Category:Sesame Street Guest Stars
Hey, Brad! I noticed you added a bunch of pages for Elmo's Christmas Countdown, which looks great. But you've been sticking them in Sesame Street Guest Stars. Per your own guidelines for that category way back, it was supposed to be limited to those who actually appeared on the show itself, not in videos, specials, movies, etc. Have you changed your mind? Is it worth a category discussion? Personally, I think it makes more sense to limit it to the show, despite any "shared universe" theory, since by the same token it would be misleading to list Mia Farrow or Lily Tomlin as Category:Muppet Show Guest Stars when they actually appeared in related specials/pilots. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 19:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Doh! You are right, I don't know what I was thinking. Sorry about that. Thanks for catching my goof. -- Brad D. (talk ) 01:51, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Templates
Hey Brad! A reminder, we already have Template:Performer-voice, for those instances where we want to specify that the performer listed only supplied the voice (to indicate that the puppeteer is unknown). We don't need Template:Performer7, which is also misleadingly labeled. Apart from Peter's Template:Performer6 (which has only been used once and could which I just renamed to clarify), the templates refer to the number of performers listed. Can you think of other situations where Performer-7 would be needed to provide parenthetical details after the performer's name, and a better name for it? If not, I'd like to delete it.

Also, right now, Scott, Danny, and I are all working on other Wikia projects as well. But way back, I created a List of Templates as an attempt to rectify such confusion. Nobody else really commented or worked on it. I'm updating it now to address the performer templates, but a ton more have been added, and not all have been announced on current events or even discussed anywhere. If you feel like working on that at some point, I'd appreciate it. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 03:52, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I didn't know we had a performer-voice template. That's pretty handy to know. So yeah, we can probally get rid of it performer7. Sorry about that. I'll also take a look at the list of templates and see what I can do. -- Brad D. (talk ) 04:18, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Great work on that page and the category, Brad. The category's the best way to just see what templates are available, and the list can just be used to explain how to use the more complicated ones, or those without explanations on the template page. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 06:37, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium
Sweet! Where did you find that that Creature Shop worked on this? I can't find it anywhere. —Scott ( talk ) 00:51, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The Creature Shop didn't work on it. Kermit the Frog did! -- Brad D. (talk ) 00:57, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, from sources like Premiere, it appears Kermit has a brief cameo as a customer. I can't help but worry if this means Kermit is now officially a felt Charo or Dr. Joyce Brothers. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:05, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I found out about it from The Muppet Newsflash and then found some more info over at Muppet Central's forums. He comes in to shop in the store and apparently has a couple lines of dialog. -- <font color="Blue">Brad D. (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:09, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Dude! That's so freakin awesome! —Scott ( talk ) 01:21, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Brad! That was driving me crazy all day, since I saw you adding the movie to different people's pages, and I thought it was going to be a special effects connection, too!  I'm going to see it anyway, but this will make it even better! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:37, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I Was Born in the Trunk
Nice find! I've got an MP3 of this song, but I never knew the title or the context. How did you find this info? — <font colr="Blue">Joe (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:38, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Whoops, I didn't see the Behind the Scenes in Frogtown Hollow page. Well, good find anyhow.— <font colr="Blue">Joe  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:43, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they talk about it in the documentary. It's a fun song... too bad it got cut. -- <font color="Blue">Brad D. (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Muppeteers Portal
Hey, Brad. I like the work you've done on that portal, but why did you just add a raft of "No Images"? I assume in some cases it's because we don't have a picture of the performer and a major Muppet character, but you did the same for a couple like Eric Jacobson and Joey Mazzarino where we did have such an image. Or are you just waiting until you can crop and resize them? -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:37, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Glad you like it. I'm still somewhat working on it. I just stuck bunch of "no image" there as a place holder because either I couldn't find a picture of the person with a main character or just haven't picked a good one and cropped it to size and uploaded it yet. I'm going to see if I can't get some more up tonight and then I'm going post something on the talk page to see if others can help fill out the rest. -- <font color="Blue">Brad D. (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:47, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Muppet Show tapes
Hi, Brad! Thanks for correcting the images on the "It's the Muppets!" and Playhouse Video tapes. Do you happen to have those? I'm trying to find people who can help me fill in the blanks. Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:44, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Gift Notice
Hey, Brad! I didn't know if you saw the gift I sent you on your profile page. I forgot if the recipient gets a notice like they do for a talk page message. If you click on the name of the gift, there's a message inside. I hope you like it! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:23, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Aww, thanks. Glad you liked my work. Yeah, there's no alert for getting gifts, and I rarely check-in on my profile page so I didn't know it was there. Thanks for the gift and the warm message inside - and thanks for alerting me of it too ;) -- <font color="Blue">Brad D. (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:32, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Silver Eagle Records/Video?
Hey, Brad! I was looking around at some of our video pages, trying to expand info on stuff that's out of print (like The Frog Prince and Bremen), and I noticed that you had written that Silver Eagle Records had made the early videotapes. Do you have those, or have you seen them? I remember that back in the early '80's, the ones with the big white covers were made by Disney, because they looked like Disney titles from the same period, and they said something about being made by Disney or Buena Vista on the back. Do you know any more about these? Thanks for your help! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:20, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't know much about them. I don't remember where I got the information for the Silver Eagle Records titles - it may have been from Muppet Central's or Kermitage's collectable guides - but I'm not 100% sure. -- <font color="Blue">Brad D. (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 17:43, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Muppet Central's collectable guide does mention Silver Eagle Records as the distributor. Kermitage never had a video section in it's collectable guide. --Minor muppetz 17:46, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Michael - MC's guide is probably where I got the info from from then. -- <font color="Blue">Brad D. (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:39, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Fraggle Rockin'
Hey, Brad! Good job digging up all the stuff for the new album. I was looking around a few days ago, and I couldn't find anything! Now I don't have to try to find the LP's! I hope this kickstarts Disney and Genius to make Muppet and Sesame CD's!  (Or maybe Koch will do those, too!) -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I can't take credit for digging up all the stuff - it was all laid out in a blog - I just put it on the wiki. -- <font color="Blue">Brad D. (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I know, but I never think to go anywhere but here. So I appreciate you and all the other people who scour all of those other websites! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:21, 8 September 2007 (UTC)