User:Scarecroe/Talk Archive 12

Archive of Scott's talk page.

FEMA Muppets
Not sure yet what to call the article, but felt I needed to share this. Here's the AP copy: "Joe Allbaugh, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), tapes a video with Big Bird and Rosita in New York, Thursday, Feb. 6, 2003. The video is part of a project between FEMA and the Sesame Street Workshop to develop educational materials that help children cope with stress and trauma related to the attacks on the World Trade Center." Do we know the title of this video, by any chance? -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 19:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Huh. I've never heard of it. I wonder if it was ever produced. — Scott (talk ) 20:22, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * According to this, it's available only to pre-school teachers. You know any? — Scott (talk ) 20:24, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Not at present. Pre-school teachers get all the breaks. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 20:26, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Synchronicity
Heh. We both noted that Guillermo's addition to Waiter Grover didn't fit, at the same time. Should we delete Outrageous Makeover: Home Edition or not? (It would need to be moved anyway, the link I used for it on Extreme Makeover: Home Edition was misspelled). 24 gets its own page, after all. I sort of wish there was a better way of grouping all the TV-based Sesame spoofs, actually, especially as they seem to be increasing in recent years. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 18:32, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Nah, that's okay to have its own page too I think. — Scott (talk ) 18:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah. I kind of feel that spoofs, unless they fit under a larger sketch category like Monsterpiece Theater, deserve their own pages, even if there's never another sketch. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 18:35, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Reverting
Just out of curiosity, what's the markup to get the "special contributions/username" stuff into the comments when reverting?? I've never been able to figure it out. -- Wendy (talk ) 02:32, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I think the MediaWiki software places that there by default when admins use the Rollback link to revert changes. I didn't know until recently that oter contributors didn't have a rollback option, but basically it just reverts all the edits made by the last user, even if there were ten of them. It's quite handy when looking at a vandal's contributions -- there's a rollback link for each article that was edited. — <font color="Blue">Scott (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:38, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Aha. Well that would be why I couldn't figure it out :o).  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Professor Grover
Oh, and I don't think I have time to make the page yet, but just in case you didn't know (judging from the image tag), the picture on Professor Grover? Not from a sketch at all, but from when Grover appeared at Harvard! More images and details can be found here. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:28, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, cool! I knew our picture was from a university appearance, but I wasn't sure of the details. — <font color="Blue">Scott (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:36, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Cameos
Hey, Scott. I saw Kevin Clash Cameos. Should that be the new format, instead of the galleries with text below each image, or was that just an experiment? Since in the case of Jerry Nelson Cameos, for example, it would make for a pretty darned long page, but also allow for more text. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah, you're right. The Jerry Nelson page id better. Thanks for pointing that out! — <font color="Blue">Scott (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:34, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's how we've been doing all cameo pages now where we have actual pictures (just not on Miscellaneous Cameos, because that's so scattershot). The Clash format works fine as long as there's only three appearances, but when it gets to Nelson size, or even Michelan Sisti Cameos, the gallery tends to work better. Actually, I've been musing. I know we've pretty much decided to keep appearances in non-Henson stuff seperate, except for Jim Henson and Frank Oz (because, well, they're Henson and Oz, and there stuff was in John Landis' films, relying on their friendship). But I've recently discovered that Brian Muehl had a bit as a father in a 1985 The Twilight Zone episode (a remake of the Art Carney episode "Night of the Meek"; even IMDb doesn't explain what his role is), Anthony Asbury was in one episode of Absolutely Fabulous, and so on (and one which is closer to our focus, Mak Wilson as a Doo Wop corner guy in Oz' The Little Shop of Horrors). I've been thinking a seperate list, limiting it to main or otherwise notable puppeteers (and probably just or mostly Muppet performers, since several Creature Shop suit guys are stuntmen or actors as their main job anyway), might be neat (either in Behind the Scenes, or possibly in Cameos), though still not sure how to go with folks like Fran Brill and Louise Gold who have busy acting careers seperate from the Muppets, while the other instances (which also include Bill Barretta as Man #1 in Murder in the First or Richard Hunt in Oxford Blues) are pretty much anomolies. In a way, it's not all that removed from Projects with Muppet Connections, and eventually, we could probably have a neat gallery chronicling these oddities which don't quite fit with the main Muppet Performer Cameos pages. Thoughts? -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, definitely. I think some lists could work really nice. So long as they're not as pronounced as the Muppet/Henson camoes of course. — <font color="Blue">Scott (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:08, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Right. I'm not sure what to call it yet. Maybe "Acting Appearances by Muppeteers" or some such. And like I said, it could go into Behind the Scenes if we want to keep it completely seperate from Muppet Performer Cameos, or include it in the latter category but make sure it's distinct. Like I said, I'm still mainly just thinking about it. I'll probably take a stab at it later this weekend. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:21, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Bear Book Cover Images
Scott --- I couldn't help but notice that the other day when I posted the Bear book Don't Be Afraid of the Dark, you almost immediately replaced lamish image I found with a much better one. My question is --- what source are you using? I had been using Amazon, but with their Search Inside, it's getting harder and harder to get large cover images from them that don't have that "Copyrighted Material" tag on them. And whatever source it was that you got that image from, I couldn't find it, despite my best Googling efforts. <font color="Blue">George B. ''(<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 15:00, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, I've been getting them from Amazon and photoshopping them. If you come across any more you need, just let me know! — <font color="Blue">Scott (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 17:47, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, will do! Thanks. <font color="Blue">George B. ''(<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 20:41, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Jon McIntosh Comic
Hi Scott -- I was putting together a page for Jon McIntosh and wanted to link to the Image:Halloween-comic.jpg to illustrate it (coin flip as to which one to use). Does that mean it should come out of the Image Chamber? -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, sure! Yeah, the image chamber is just to keep images that we want to keep out of the "unused files" list. So yeah, now that it's actually included in a page, we can take it out of the Image Chamber. — <font color="Blue">Scott (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 17:47, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Shopping Links
I can't remember if we ever came to any clear decisions on when not to include shopping links. Obviously Amazon.com is bad, while the Muppet Meeting Films distributor, a site which includes info and free clips, is good, but what about something like this? The discovery that ABC is selling the Nightline special with the Muppets seems worth noting. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:05, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Wow. I'd say we should certainly mention that the ABC store sells it, but let readers find the link on their own. After I saw Brad's link, I was convinced that this was a bootleg that Amazon had let slide over from its zShops. But lo and behold, there it is. — <font color="Blue">Scott (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Although wait -- is that a DVD or a transcript? — <font color="Blue">Scott (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:09, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * DVD I'd presume, but they're not really good at differentiating, I notice. The fact that it's listed as 39.95, higher than any transcript, certainly indicates a DVD. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:13, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I just emailed them to find out what the running time is. 40 bucks is steep unless it's a substantial length. — <font color="Blue">Scott (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:14, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, though it's cheaper than what that Amazon guy had it at, and checking old listings, it was a three hour special! It's likely the Muppets may have been just for portions of it. I don't know. And if you don't get a response, I note they have an 800 number. I may give them a call before class tomorrow. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:16, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I called the 800 number. The customer service representative confirms it is the program itself (all transcripts are actually handled off-site and not catalogued there), and it is the full three hours, but she told me it's in VHS only. So I don't know if the Amazon guy transferred his copy to DVD and is now trying to sell it that way, or if it was a special promotional deal or what. But anyway, it's out there, for anyone wishing to shell out 40 bucks and wade through a lot of talking heads to transcribe and fully document the Muppet content. I confess, I'm pretty intrigued, and may well do so, but probably after I get some international DVD stuff (which I need to e-mail you about sometime; I seem to have mislaid that nifty region free program you sent me, and while ordering some Canadian tapes for a grad school project, I think I may finally splurge some of my savings on international Fraggle and Dog City). -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 15:34, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * VHS. Well, that's stinks. Even if they were offering it on DVD-R, it might make it more attractive. I'll wait that one out. I still have no idea what the ratio of Muppet content is to that three hours. — <font color="Blue">Scott (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 15:39, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, from the synopsis, it sounds pretty substantial, but yeah. I'm still considering it (at some point, not now), but it's a heck of a lot more work to try to transfer VHS images, which always wind up at least slightly blurry at best. Or maybe I'll watch it next time I go to the Museum of Radio and Television (maybe in the spring or after finals) and note the Muppet to economic expert ratio. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 15:43, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

The Kong Show
I hate to disrupt your symmetry on King Kong, but there's this to be considered. From ''Muppet Babies Episode 610: The New Adventures of Kermo Polo, when Baby Gonzo, cast as "The Great Khan," mistakenly thinks he's supposed to be "Gonzo Kong." -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:10, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah, that's great! The only think better than symmetrical galleries, is adding to them! — <font color="Blue">Scott (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:11, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Login Issue
Hey Scott, I'm having some trouble with my login. I'm pretty sure its due to working on another wiki housed on Wikia. Is there a way that you know of that can keep me logged in here and on the other simultaneously or do I have to keep logging in and out when I work on each? I keep forgetting this issue; the edit on Quentin Tarantino was mine. Its bugs me, but I especially don't want to keep making that mistake causing more work for you and the other admins. Checking "Remember Me" on both seems to work kind of sporatically; sometimes it'll be logged into one, sometimes both, sometimes neither kinda thing. --Cantus Rock 22:54, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Le Muppets
Get a load of those lyrics. My French is pretty much non-existant, but at a crude guess, I wonder if Miss Piggy was fully aware of what she was singing. Then again, she also ate at Denny's. Oh, and Muppets TV's first episode also put Piggy, Kermit, and Fozzie on the Moon. Life is good. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 20:27, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Puff
Hey, Scott! I know we'll never have an image for Puff. It's a joke, for unseen characters we have no other means of illustrating. I talked about it with Danny long ago. I know that since then, we've started using the "No Image" more extensively, but never on character pages, just lists and charts, so I think it's clear that it's not a placeholder and so not misleading. I had enough of a battle with Dean over it, so it only wound up being used on two or three pages. If you really hate it or see it as problematic, it can stay out, but it's a harmless joke, which I rather like. I had enough battles with Dean to preserve it and the one or two others which survived. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I like it, too. But I don't like using the same image. Can we come up with something else? — <font color="Blue">Scott (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:44, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, that's the only No Image we have. Actually, for cases like this, something like a vague silhouette with a question mark or something along those lines, without going too far, might be cute. I have no idea how to do it, though. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:55, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * And off-topic but I don't want to start another heading, did we ever find out exactly what the Hollywood Bowl event was called? I found out Michelan Sisti puppeteered on it, but wasn't sure if you remembered the specific name for it; I know it was mentioned somewhere on Tough Pigs but I can't find it again. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I thought it was called "Fireworks Finale." -- <font color="Blue">Peter (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:06, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Fireworks Finale didn't sound right to me. I have a bunch of links and articles saved in a folder waiting for me to get to them. — <font color="Blue">Scott (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:14, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * http://www.hollywoodbowl.com/tix/performance_detail.cfm?id=2674 -- <font color="Blue">Peter (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:49, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

K.I.T.T.
As Wiki mad as I am, I passed up a chance to buy The Nick and Jessica Variety Hour for 5 bucks. Do you know if K.I.T.T. spoke in the episode and/or was in the Muppet scenes? Since I'd love to have William Daniels directly in the Wiki, or 1776 linkage and others. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:49, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately it wasn't Daniels and there was no scene with the Muppets. — <font color="Blue">Scott (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Awww. Ah, well. Having K.I.T.T. is still pretty neat. I have another, more recent Susan Lucci pic, by the way, but I need to double check the context. I think it was the Daytime Emmys. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:39, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

John Astin!
The cleebrity photos are great, plus John Astin links to The Addams Family, which page can be created as soon as I or someone can get a grab from Elmo's World: Hair. Elmo shows up covered in hair and a bowler, ala Cousin Itt. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 20:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Damn, that seems to be one of the few EW DVDs I don't have. I should pick up the remaining handful soon. — <font color="Blue">Scott (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 20:56, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * And hey, I forgot all about Astin's Night Court connection~ That could also be a legitimate page, once I get a screengrab of Judge H. T. Stone, since the series also included at least one mention (Dan in a room with a woman who mimicks whatever she sees on TV, and everything is about murder and horror: "Where are the Muppets when you need them?") -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:23, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Nice! I didn't even know we had a Night Court reference. Although we do have Markie Post. I used to love that show, but can't remember much of it now. — <font color="Blue">Scott (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:29, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm a bigger Barney Miller fan, but it had its moments. And we don't have, but should, Richard Moll (he was in The Flintstones), which also adds another nice DC Comics voice connection. Peter shared with me this Funny Farm game thing, and the Wiki often feels like that to me. Trying to find the right phrase, person, or show that will open up a border to a whole new realm of connections, proving that yes, Virginia, nearly everything comes back to the Muppets. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Exactly! And, thanks to Hollywood Meets Motown and Thanks & Giving All Year Long, we're only one degree of separation away from Kevin Bacon. — <font color="Blue">Scott (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)