User:Radionate/Talk Archive 04

Rizzo/Pepe Mickey ears
Hey, cool Mouse ears! What's it from? —Scott ( talk ) 23:29, November 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * It's a screen grab from the Give a Day. Get a Disney Day. ads. I should label it as such.  I just loved Pepe in the tiny ears.  -- 23:33, November 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * Cool, I figured that's where it came from. Which one was it? I'd like to get a better shot of Rizzo's eyelids for the eyelids page if it's possible. —Scott ( talk ) 23:45, November 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * It was one of the web based ones that automatically played on the site. I just kept refreshing the pages and letting them play in order and grabbed a screen shot.  -- ''Nate  (talk ) 23:48, November 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll see if I can find it. Those were a pain getting the original screenshots for. I wish I could find someway to download the swf files directly. —Scott ( talk ) 23:52, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

You did a great job on the screen shots though! -- ''Nate (talk ) 23:53, November 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * I just went through the three external links we have on that page and I couldn't find it. Do you remember what website you got the screesnhot from? —Scott ( talk ) 23:58, November 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * I can't find it anywhere. I watched the commercials, I checked out the websites, but it's not to be found.  I got the grab quite awhile ago right after the big launch of the promotion, and just hadn't put it up til now.  -- ''Nate  (talk ) 00:53, November 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah well, thanks for looking. I'll use the one you uploaded for now. There's a lot of footage in those quick fly-bys, I get the feeling more commercials are coming eventually. —Scott ( talk ) 01:10, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Uncle Boris and others
Hey, Nate! Just a note, I see you're redlinking Boris Karloff. That's good, but since all we have to go on right now are voice impressions (two for obscure characters, plus there's one in the lip-synched soundtrack of "Poison to Poison") and the square head, would you mind holding off on an actual page (unless you know of something else you haven't added)? That just feels a bit too flimsy to me, and kind of dull reading really (several characters have voices impersonating someone else, but they work best in cases like W. C. Fields where that's not all we have, or when it's a bit more pronounced). I'm going to try to see if there's anything from Muppet Babies, a likely source. I just kind of feel if we're going to create a Karloff page, it should feel less like a cheat based on squarehead Frankenstein imagery and voice, especially compared to Bela Lugosi. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 20:51, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, and I mainly wanted to reiterate what incredible work you've been doing. I love you (in the platonic Wiki way, of course). I'm filling in character names and the *very* few gaps on Murder She Wrote, but I'm astonished by how thorough it is. I was surprised to find Jean Vander Pyl was once on the show! Naturally I love all cartoon voice/radio people. Also, you spurred me on to dig up my Get Smart  DVD extras, so Bruce Bilson now has a pretty picture. Also also, a friendly proofreading reminder, avoid "telelvision." Unless you're specifically describing an Elvis marathon, of course. -- Andrew Leal  (talk ) 20:54, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * I just lost what I typed when you added stuff. ugh and lol.  Anyway, I'll hold off on the page.  I guess we differ on our thought processes with pages.  I like creating stuff, because I've been amazed at things people have added that I haven't found in my research here and elsewhere when I've created a page with just a few references.  Since we only have Charles the Robot and Crown-Grabber on here right now, I'll hold off.  There has to be more from Muppet Babies and even skits like Mysterious Theater I bet.  -- ''Nate  (talk ) 21:02, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * And I'm horrible with my fingers going faster then my brain when typing. Anything I create is almost always good for a few typos.  ugh.  -- ''Nate  (talk ) 21:03, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * Nope, absolutely nothing in Mysterious Theater. I've researched this pretty thoroughly, and as great as reference pages are, it's nice if they don't repeat what's already on other pages (Danny's used it as rationale for deleting characters and performers, so much as I love him, there's no real reason Boris should be exempt; also why I'd created Rudy Vallee Doozer but nothing for Vallee himself until we had something more, I think some of our present "celebrity references" pages could be beefed up in that matter). I'll do some digging in Babies (our best if not only bet, really, though I also have the complete run of Dog City just in case; there is a solid Peter Lorre in that show, though, which combined with Marlon Fraggle, who has the voice and borrows from Lorre's "mad" persona, would make for a great page as is; the other possibility is if we get a lead on Uncle Deadly, who isn't an outright impression but has similarities to my mind. I'll pass it on to Joe, maybe, who if he hasn't already was planning to interview Jerry Nelson. And geeze, I've trapped myself in these parentheses, haven't I! I keep going back and adding within them). We may have to un-redlink the Karloffian one eventually, but for now the links don't hurt. Voice impressions aren't the same as a visual caricature, since they can't be expressed visually (and in this case, it only comes from two extremely obscure characters where we're only relying on archival or the designer's memories), or a name drop or if the character had been called "Boris the Robot" (that would eliminate all questions). In this case, when we can't confirm the fact firthand, it's just possible, as has happened before, memories play trick or the character was *intended* to sound like Karloff but ultimately sounded more like George Raft with a headcold. So voice impersonations/influences are fun to note on a character's page but (unless a really major recurring motif, maybe, beyond question or with a quote about it) not enough to build a page on, but rather fun additions once there's something more solid (Danny mentioned it ages ago when I considered creating a John Wayne page based on a Sesame animated character sounding like Wayne; now, I have a Muppet Babies screengrab which I'll try to get up later today for you to have fun with). And don't worry, let your fingers continue to do the walking through the Wiki pages: a few typos is worth five articles a minute (or whatever your current rate is)! -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 21:15, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

I'm only averaging about three new pages a day, not five. lol -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate  (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 23:29, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Hi!
I was working on some other stuff last night, and I forgot to tell you thanks for helping us get to 20,000 articles so fast! Also, thanks for doing all of the magazine stuff. I always forget stuff like that! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:28, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

P.S. We have 89 Minor TV Mentions so far. I hope we can eventually cross 100! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:31, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Meh. It's a total group effort.  I think the Sesame Street episodes really helped us to grow.  I just have been having a blast finding the "odd" pages I can create.  To much fun and helps to fill up the memory banks with more useless trivia!  LOL!  The question is now, will we ever hit 30,000? -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate  (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 15:42, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Sandbox:Book Indexes‎
Psst. I imagine you're too busy now to contribute, but thought you might want to take a look at this anyway (since things like Miss Piggy's Guide to Life would also fit, and it can be a useful way to park something that could become a reference article but which you may not have time to get to just then, so you remember which page it's on). -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:57, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * I just saw you working on that page via the talk box, and I think it is a WONDERFUL IDEA! It's going to go on my "to do" list in a big way.  -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate  (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 23:00, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Great Muppets
Okay, you asked for it... -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 08:17, November 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh My Gosh! I LOVE THEM.  I cannot wait to see the rest!  I wish I had this coloring book!  I think it's just one of the most crazy Muppet Coloring Books out there!  -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate  (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 15:48, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Wow!
How are you able to keep thinking of pages for people, and movies, and all kinds of other things? I can never think of anything new, other than pages for songs that I haven't heard yet! You're awesome! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:42, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * The Playbill page just tickles me to death. I HAVE to get to bed though.  lol -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate  (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 05:44, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * You never cease to amaze me! I never even thought to make a page about Dixieland!  Are you sure you're not a Music major? -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 07:20, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's the southern boy in me. I wanted to do a page on Mardi Gras, but the only real reference was Wormy Gras, so I didn't see the point, but then I started thinking about Dixieland numbers, and found quite a few.  Another of my favorite new pages. :) -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate  (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 15:47, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Happy belated anniversary! My Barnes and Noble didn't get any copies of the DVD yet (even though I pre-ordered it 2 weeks ago to make sure I got one), so I'm going to be jealous of everybody who's watching it right now.  I hope I get it by the weekend.  Anyway, I can't believe we didn't have all these painters before!  I guess I've seen the parody pictures so often, that it just seems like I read about them here!  Thanks for helping us get to 20,000 pages!  I need to create some more song pages.
 * Did you get my e-mail from October 28th? Let me know what you've been doing! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:49, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * 100 or so articles to go. I got your email but I guess I didn't respond, I thought I did. I've not gotten the DVD yet.  I'm waiting for Christmas to see if I get it (I learned long ago to not buy anything for myself from October through December.  lol).  If I had access to another working scanner, I'd be pumping out more new pages for books.  sigh.  Oh well.  They aren't going anywhere!  And I was excited to stumble across the "paintings" online.  They aren't the best picture files, but they'll do until someone can upload a higher resolution pic.  -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate  (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 05:55, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe you should ask for a scanner for Christmas! Then you can do twice the work in half the time, which will come in handy when tax time comes around, and when you're doing shows! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:04, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

When this last show closes (yeah I got cast in a show again), I'm taking at least six months off. I'll send ya details on this one. Quite an deal. :) -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 06:09, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool! I can't wait to read about it! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:16, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Sesame guests
Hi Nate! Just wanted to quickly see if you had an opinion on Category talk:Muppet Specials Actors. —Scott ( talk ) 00:39, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * I had just noticed it before you left a message Scott, and I agree with everyone on it. -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate  (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 00:44, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Surname Sara
Hey, Nate! I just saw a couple of your edits. Could you take a look at Talk:Sara Ramírez? I didn't put a talkbox since I was going to just move, probably still will, but I figure if anyone has a print source that has her name spelled with an accent, it would be you (our Wiki policy is to use accents for titles and names when they actually appear that way in print or on-screen credits, but not to add them because we think they should be there). One of my co-stars in Witness was addicted to Spamalot, by the way! (He kept quoting "So listen to me Arthur, and listen to the news/we can't succeed on Broadway if we don't have any Jews.") -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 20:15, October 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll try to get to it today. I was just about to sign off, but let me see if I can come up with an answer.  Might have to dig into theatre stuff at home to find out.  And I'm working on nabbing rights to Spamalot here for 2011, and praying I'll get to play Sir Robin the Brave (or Patsy).  I won't correct your lyrics mis-quote though.  lol  -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate  (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 20:18, October 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * That's how it was told to me! I've never seen it, so. And backstage, my co-star had a tendency to break into "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life" (and occasionally one of the original songs for the show). Or as altered once to better fit Witness for the Prosecution, "Always Look on the Bright Side of Death!" -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk )


 * Left a message there to move it. Now I'm off to listen to the soundtrack since its all stuck in my head.  -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate  (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 20:37, October 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks muchly! Oh, I forget, are you familiar with Witness for the Prosecution (i.e. do you know the ending?) If so, I'll send you an e-mail later on with some amusing anecdotes, but most of the best ones are spoilerish (and it's *still* a tradition to enjoin the audience, and of course those in the show, "not to reveal the surprise ending.") The film version even had an announcer say it over the end credits! -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 20:40, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Hi!
Thanks for your fast and detailed reply about the Gilbert and Sullivan song. You are the very model of a modern Muppet Wikian! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:15, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * And I should be in bed. lol -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 05:19, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Sesame guests
Hey, I'm glad you expanded a bunch of the season 40 celebrities! I figured I'd get around to it tonight if no one else did. It was pretty late last night and I only had time to get them started. —Scott ( talk ) 22:55, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * I was just excited that you started them. I want to expand them more, but figured that was a good first start.  If it had been past today I wouldn't be able too, since I'll be gone for a couple days.  Great pictures you found for them too!  Were they from the website or presskit?  -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate  (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 14:38, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they're all from the Season 40 presskit. —Scott ( talk ) 19:52, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Authors and References
Hi, Nate! Actually, just a reminder, even if there's more than one reference to a book by the same author, if there's multiple references to that author's work, it all goes on one page. Hercule Poirot gets a page because he was portrayed specifically but otherwise everything is on Agatha Christie. The Maltese Falcon and The Thin Man pages basically make it harder for a reader to see all the Hammet references (and something like Casper von Blimpman claiming to be "The Thin Man" is obviously a dual reference). I'd rather those be redirects and merge them all back in (I kind of feel like that about some of the Shakespeare pages, but then there some of the references like Hamlet obviously would overwhelm the author's page). We've discussed this in the past as a kind of unofficial policy and I'd like to just put the Hammet page back, maybe add the Sam Spayed and Nick and Nora images to make it prettier, and make the others redirects. See also the discussion on The Walt Disney Company which is relevant. I hope that makes sense to you, since I love the work you're doing on these things and don't want to discourage or offend you, but it's starting to get a little messy. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:51, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll work on putting them back into a redirect. I remember a lot of the conversations.  For things like Disney, what I thought was decided was if there were substantial references, then a page of their own would be warrented.  I'll see if I can get a well put together page for Dashiell Hammett. -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate  (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 21:59, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * I still think the Maltese Falcon is deserving of its own page though. -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate  (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 22:01, October 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, ahem, Hammett was a page I started! I'll try to fix it up, but as you can see, most of the references involved more than one book, and otherwise it was just one. They don't make for substantial pages on their own, outside of the pictures, just mean one's hopping between three intrinsically related pages (whereas one doesn't necessesarily have to read Donald Duck to appreciate Mickey Mouse and vice versa). Charles Dickens (author) could use work (and I've been meaning for ages to add a connections list, which will be enormous and fun) but it's better to have all the refs on one page, rather than break out the three tiny ones to A Tale of Two Cities. Only A Christmas Carol warrants and deserves its own page (and dwarfs Charlie's). Basically, is there any real benefit to having Maltese Falcon as its own page, when the references are either slight or overlap in terms of Hammet's writing or hardboiled in general? There's no way to avoid repetition and no real benefit it all. Sam Spayed has his own page. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:03, October 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, I was working on the page at the same time you are (still am, actually). I expanded the lead-in so it could support more images. I know what you're trying to do, but the re-organization basically means the same From the Balcony skit is mentioned in three places. It may be easier to spot the Thin Man portion but makes it harder to read in general. I spaced Dog City out a bit more, which I think helps, and I'll have a connections list to follow, if possible. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:21, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

83 TV shows and counting!
Wow! I'm impressed that The Big Bang Theory mentioned the Muppets! Maybe with all the new Disney attention, they'll be a hot pop culture reference again! I hope we hit 100 different shows soon! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:42, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Beautiful Minds Think Alike
Hey, Nate! Is there a reason you redlinked A Beautiful Mind on Jennifer Connelly, or was that a mistake? -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:23, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie did a bit from the movie (with Bunsen and Beaker, and in my big project of Movie, TV, and Stage references, I wanna do a page for it. I just have to get a screen grab.  -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate  (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 21:35, October 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmm. Where is it in the movie? I have the DVD floating around in a stack underfoot, and I could get it for you (not having seen the movie, I'm not sure what to look for). And yeah, all those reference pages are wonderful. I still need to flesh out Abbott and Costello, but there's three direct, not at all oblique references (two dialogue, one clip), and one is from The Wubbulous World of Dr. Seuss of all places. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:43, October 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * It is when Bunsen is writing on a pane of a glass window backstage, and Beaker is on the other side. Beaker utters "A Beautiful Mind".  I am fuzzy, it's been since Christmas since I've watched it, but it cracks me up everytime.  -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate  (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 21:50, October 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, took awhile, but here you go! I'll let you start the page. Not having seen the movie,I can't tell if the glass chalkboard is significant or not, or if it's just the verbal reference. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:24, October 31, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks kiddo. I LOVE IT!  And it's a direct reference as seen here. --''<font color="Purple">Nate  (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 21:30, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Edward Hopper page
Thanks for your edit of September 14, 2009, in which you moved the two new Nighthawks spoofs into a "Gallery" section. I have since discovered that the German Sesamstrasse image is for licensed Sesamstrasse products, so I made it again into a separate figure to place it on an equal footing with Joe Mathieu's picture.— Tom ( talk ) 16:49, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Hi again!
My head is spinning from all the stuff I've been doing, going back and forth with you and Danny and Andrew. Anyway, on Dances with Wolves, did they really have a Sesame clip on a Muppet video? That seems unusual. Or was I reading it wrong? -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:08, October 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * No. It was different.  I reworded it. -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate  (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 15:02, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

Cyrano de Bergerac
What a dream! Cyrano de Bergerac is a fantastic page. I didn't realize we had so many references on the wiki... That's a super fun page now. I love all the new pop culture and references pages you've been making lately! -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:09, October 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ooh, I just noticed that you've been adding Bestknown templates too. That's awesome... I'd forgotten about that template; we should use it more. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:12, October 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah the templete is on my list of "to do" things. We'll see how far I get on the list this time.  lol.  And I'm having a blast on the references stuff.  It's my favorite part of the wiki!  It really shows how far reaching the Muppet Universe really is.  -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate  (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 21:27, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Hey, Nate!
It's great to see you doing tons of stuff, especially Minor TV Mentions. I thought you might be interested to know that I was able to clean up a mention on Mork & Mindy. It was driving me crazy, because I've had the novel for 30 years (which turns the first 3 episodes into a movie-like plot), so I knew there was a "Green" reference, but I was finally able to see the episode in question (it's the second episode, not the first), so I was able to quote it exactly (the novel says it differently). Thank God for TV shows on DVD! Now whenever I watch reruns, I always pay attention for a Muppet reference! I also found one on Taxi that I hadn't remembered in years! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:29, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * I do the same thing. lol -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate  (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 04:49, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't believe how many movies that Monsterpiece Theatre spoofed! Thanks for working on that, too!  I never thought I'd see François Truffaut's name on Muppet Wiki! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:42, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm having a blast doing them! -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate  (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 03:54, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

Dancing Stars
Cool picture! Was that part of the broadcast? —Scott ( talk ) 20:39, September 29, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah. That was part of the bump before the dance.  Because of that I withdrew my request to delete Karina Smirnoff.  -- ''<font color="Purple">Nate  (<font color="Purple" size="1">talk ) 20:40, September 29, 2009 (UTC)