User:Merrystar/Talk Archive 02

Archive of Wendy's talk page.

Signs Update
Well, I put in for the album, so I'll let you know more soon! As far as all the extra tracks on Tiny Dancer's site, for some reason they put all of the talking sections as tracks, and I don't know why they did it that way. I haven't heard the album in years, but I'm almost positive that the way we have it with songs only is how the back cover has it, but I'll confirm that soon! -- Ken (talk ) 01:36, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. It might be good to mention all the talking sections on the page though... they sound like fun and are not exactly obvious (most albums today wouldn't have them).  -- Wendy  (talk ) 03:08, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, the only thing is that SS records have had a long history of talking before songs start, all the way back to SS1, and it's not noted on the back cover. So I don't know why that was even done that way.  We could write up the "story" of the album, which, from what I (dimly) recall, is Big Bird either walking along Sesame Street (or maybe even a big city in the "real" world), and meeting people, and seeing signs, and talking about them.  So it is one of the "concept" albums that came out after 1977 (the 1974 series was mainly recycled tracks from the first 6 albums between 1970 and 1973), and so has an album-length storyline. -- Ken  (talk ) 05:01, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

The Last of the Lost Albums
Hey, Wendy, thanks for all of your help! I just wanted to let you know that I only have 2 albums left that I don't have a catalog number for, in case you come across them before I do: 1) Cookie Monster and Grover: True Blue, and 2) The Best of Sesame Street. We have entries already, but they're not complete. Those will finish all of my personal data, and then I'll put them on the wiki! -- Ken (talk ) 06:41, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Those two are downright elusive; I've been keeping an eye out for True Blue since last fall and the Best of SS for a few months as well, mostly looking for pictures, but they just don't show up.    -- Wendy  (talk ) 03:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

ASCAP/BMI
Hey, Wendy! I finally had some time to mess around at ASCAP and BMI, and I'm in shock! Joe Raposo (or his estate, I guess) switched from ASCAP to BMI! I was freaking out because I couldn't find anything by him on ASCAP, until I thought to try BMI. When did this happen? Do the recent CD's reflect it? I only have mostly CD's from around 1995, at the beginning of the Sony Wonder years. I guess I'll have to buy the boxed set and see if that reflects the changes, huh? Anyway, other than not giving years, those are great resources! I'll be using them a lot! Thanks! -- Ken (talk ) 21:29, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I had no idea his stuff used to be ASCAP to be honest; I own mostly Muppet albums, and those don't even consistently give the publisher (eg. Music, Mayhem and More), let alone the society.   ASCAP and BMI are great tools; they're great sanity savers too rather than hunting down endless albums that all say conflicting things.  Glad you found the time to try them out. -- Wendy  (talk ) 23:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

SS2
Thanks for fixing SS2! I had it at 300 px, but I forgot about putting "thumb". Thanks! -- Ken (talk ) 20:09, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I Am Blue
Your description amuses me :) —Scott ( talk ) 19:32, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

New "cover" albums
Hey, Wendy! I saw your new entry for the Golden/Wonderland cover album. Something has been bothering me, and I wanted to ask you, since you seem to be the one most active in the same field with me. Are we going to try to get every cover record that's on a children's label? We haven't even really talked about the many 45's that go to the cover albums. Do you think that's beyond the scope of what we're doing? I'm not always sure how thorough on Sesame Street we should be, since some of it was produced by people totally independent of the Muppets. As a record collector, I love seeing all the new stuff we're finding. But I was wondering how you felt about putting all the records done by other kid's labels. -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess my theory is that at least some of them belong, although we may want to consider making a table/list of them rather than a page for each if it starts to get out of control with lots of pages that have little info that pertains to the wiki. Still, if it's called "Sesame Street Songs" and half the album is just that it seems like it belongs here to me.   -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Dept 56
Wow. Sesame Street Christmas collectibles (Department 56) is both creepy and fantastic, in equal parts. I would love to have that building, but all of the little "snow babies" give me the jibblies. That's an awesome find. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 13:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I've always been a bit creeped out by the snowbabies stuff myself. Not to mention confused.  I confess, the building is the only reason I was looking at that stuff at all.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:47, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Oscar Record
Hey, Wendy, I noticed that you put up the track listing for The Best of Oscar the Grouch. Do you happen to have it? I wanted to check something on the back cover. Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 17:53, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No, sorry but I don't have it. The album will crop up sooner or later on ebay again; you can maybe email the seller with your question when it does if nobody around here has admitted to having a copy by then.  I'll try to remember to keep an eye out for it again.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:08, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the reason I really want to find one is that Christmas Sing-Along doesn't have any titles and catalog numbers on the back cover, so that means that Oscar's album is the very last one with one. I'm still hoping we'll find more LP's dated 1983 and 1984, but I'm starting to think that that's it. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I found one! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Medleys
Hey, Wendy! Just thought I'd point out Muppet Show Medleys. Pretty much any name we come up with for those medleys will be made up based on one of the songs used anyway, so I figure this is a better way to track them. —Scott ( talk ) 01:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I just saw it -- it's a great idea. I'm always amused to see what they stuck together.  The Pearl Bailey one for example!   -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:26, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the one in the Hal Linden ep is pretty crazy if just for the juxtaposition of holiday songs. By the way, are we still stumping on Talk:Happiness Is? —Scott ( talk ) 10:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well we now know we need a page for both Happiness songs; still a bit of a stump whether she ever sang the Charlie Brown version on the show... but yeah, it could probably come out of stumping and make the new page.  Assuming the munchkin takes his nap soon I'll look at it.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 17:18, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Song Cleanup
Hey, Wendy! Thanks for all the song cleanup. I know a lot of my information isn't complete, but I wanted to at least create the pages so we could cross 14,000 articles by the 30th. When I have some time soon, I'm going to attack the songs that are missing things like years, and publishers, when I'm able to look them all up. Good research on the folk songs, too! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:58, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. Song stubs bug me to an irrational degree.   -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 15:06, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Needle Point
Hey Wendy. Something is worng with me not being able to get my pic in with yours. I did it just like i would by uploading a pic of a cover of a book but it's not working right with me. What am i terrible doing wrong? -- <font color="Blue">Kyle (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:55, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Kyle. I don't think you did anything wrong -- the picture of the Oscar kit is right there in the gallery.    That's a nice one!  Do you know what year it was made??  It might say somewhere on the package.  And did you have a second one?  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:44, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess i just needed to leave it alone. I would save it after getting the pic ready and then it wouldn't show up on the screen. That's all i meant. Glad to see it worked. I fixed it to say Oscar the Grouch and the year too. The other one i have to get someone to fix the pic. It's too big to fit on my scaner and my dad's camera has no batteries and i can't ever get the pic just right. It's either fuzzy or not big enough. I'll get it soon. -- <font color="Blue">Kyle (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 08:50, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

John Denver Christmas 45
Hey, Wendy! I had no idea you had put up another John Denver Christmas 45! My reference books didn't mention it. I wonder why they forgot it. Anyway, on the one you put up, with the Peace Carol, do you know which songs were on which side? I think I have to change the other one I did, based on some new information, and I was wondering where you heard about the one you did. Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:00, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately I don't know. I found it on an ebay listing which had no pictures.  I also found a listing at a place called vinyluk.com, so I just went with it.  Perhaps it was a demo or UK only release? You might be able to ask the seller.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:22, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a UK release. What threw me is that back in the '50's, RCA in the UK was called HMV (for His Master's Voice).  But that makes sense now that I look at it, because the numbers are too far apart when they would have come out the same month, and my reference books are known for being extremely thorough and reliable.  I hope we can still find a picture, though! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:49, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

no red Rowlf
In addition to the discussion on my talk page, I just thought I'd point out that we no longer have any red links on Rowlf at the Piano. And that's pretty cool of us :) —Scott ( talk ) 05:37, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yay! I believe "Sailing, Sailing" was the last of the redlinked songs on the episodes as well.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:16, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Excuse me, Wendy, but I noticed when I looked at the article, that the dashes look longer than what I usually see on articles, even though the "inside" of the page looks like it has normal dashes. Do you know how to make different size dashes?  I've been trying different things on the album pages, and I was wondering if different dashes would look better than what's there now, or if you can make ones that are different sizes.  Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Scott made those; I don't known any obvious standard keyboard way to make them; I think they are a special character like the ¡. So as with that you can always just copy his dash to somewhere handy and then use it as needed. They are pretty.  His signature on the talkpages also uses them.  On my display they are obviously different (longer) even on the "inside" of the page.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:40, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you think we should maybe discuss a dash style guide so that all pages look uniform? -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:48, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure. Although it's not clear to me that every dash in the wiki needs to match, it might be nice if all the album pages used the same dashes along with all the other standardization you're introducing.  While it's obvious that Scott likes the long dashes,  I suspect the rest of us are just lazy and use the keyboard dash because it's handiest.   -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:58, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Copyrights
Hey, Wendy, seeing as how we're all talking about songs and blue boxes and stuff, some of the Sesame Street songs are now getting to be old enough to start being renewed. This is especially noticeable on CD reissues where the publisher is either a different name from the LP version, or there are now two names. What should we do in those cases? Use the old name, new name, or both? Thanks. -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I always use the most recent publisher I can find because they currently control the rights. I don't think it much matters who controlled the rights in 1972 when a given album was made. Usually this means I take whatever is in ASCAP or BMI over what a CD/LP says; those databases aren't infallible, but they are at least a reasonably comprehensive single source.  If I can't find a listing there, I use the most recent info from wherever (CD, published music, etc).  I'm not sure how others go about it; many people ignore the field altogether.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Slow?
Hi, Wendy -- I've asked Scott and Andrew, but neither of them are answering... :) Is the site running slow for you today? It feels like it's taking forever, especially hitting "Recent changes", which is taking about 15 seconds to load completely. I'm talking to the Wikia tech guy, who says it's running fine for him. Does it seem slow to you? -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:36, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Not really. I just tried recent changes which took about 5 seconds to load which is roughly normal. I've noticed occasional slow loads as I've been hitting the endless "unprotect" tabs, but they are intermittent.   -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:45, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Weird! So what's up with my connection today? Thanks... -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:00, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Magic!
Sesame Street Magic Slates is amazing. Did you get all those from Ebay? -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 12:13, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yup. Somebody got them at auction from Western Publishing's archives and is selling them off in lots right now on ebay.  They made me so happy to see; I had completely forgotten about Magic Slates.  We always had them to play with in the car when I was a kid.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 13:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, that's cool. Do you think we should write to that person and tell them about the wiki? It would be great if they had other Sesame items... -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 14:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * On the other hand, they might be pissed off that we're "stealing" their pictures. So maybe it's better not to. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 14:23, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah -- it's a touch call on that. He talks about "Sesame and Muppet" slates, which sort of suggests he might have more;  right now his other auctions are for Barbie slates.  It's easy to keep an eye on the seller and see what else pops up.  He didn't host the images on a protected server or watermark them (beyond the Ebay camera) so I would assume he's not too paranoid about the pictures, but who knows.  Except for competing sellers, I can't imagine why anybody would feel protective of their merchandise pictures anyways.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 15:05, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I had somebody write to me once to complain that I'd used one of their auction pictures on Tough Pigs. It was bizarre -- I hadn't made reference to them as a seller or anything; I was just using the picture to illustrate a toy. So I don't even know how they found that their picture was on the site. Anyway, some people are prickly about their "rights" -- she said that it was her photo, and I had no right to use it. Whatever.
 * I looked at the seller's previous auctions -- he's only selling Magic Slates. I was sort of hoping to see a variety of Western items, but maybe he only bought slates. He's getting a pretty good price for them, too. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 15:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice work, indeed! Regarding the issue of eBay images, there is a legal notice somewhere on their site that states using their images elsewhere is illegal, but of course everyone does it. Just in case, I've removed the watermarks for each image and trashed the original just to cover our butts. —Scott ( talk ) 17:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Scott! It looks better that way too. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Brazil
What do you think about using the official title for the page, and the more common title for the links? So: A Scottish bagpiper plays "Brazil". I agree with your sigh.

By the way, Scott and I are talking to folks about how to turn off all that mess on Recent changes when you create a new page. I think we have an answer, but Scott needs to be the one to do the fix, cause I don't understand it. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 16:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * For song links -- I don't think it matters so long as the common title is also mentioned on the song page. After all, what's common to some readers, might not be to others. If we're all calling the song by the legal title, we're always correct. —Scott ( talk ) 17:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I went with the legal title for Scott's reason; it's always correct, particularly for a confusing song like "Brazil". I like having the names right on the links as well as the page title because I'm like that, but I can see the point that the common name can help people remember which song it is.  Perhaps there is some other way to include both on the linking page when the real title is very obscure.  Of course all I can think of at the moment is parentheticals like on old sheet music eg. "It's in His Kiss (The Shoop Shoop Song)".


 * And that is very good news indeed about the Recent Changes stuff; I had assumed it was some wikia "upgrade" that we were stuck with. I will be glad to see it gone. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:19, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * A thought occurs to me: Is it possible to say that "Aquarela do Brasil" is the Spanish name for the song, and "Brazil" is the English name? I just think it's a commonly known song, because Terry Gilliam used it as the theme for his movie, Brazil. I'd never know "Aquarela do Brasil" if you gave me a week to figure it out.


 * And yeah, it was part of an "upgrade", but Scott and I work hard not to get stuck with things that we don't like. :) -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:33, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Just for the record, I don't think it's an accurate claim to say that "Aquarela do Brasil" is just the Portuguese name. Disney used that title for their 1943 feature Saludos Amigos, where the title even appeared on-screen to introduce the sequenece (a literal animated water-color); before the changes, I had the inverse reaction of Danny, no idea it was the same song. So maybe one could say "Brazil" has become the more *common* name, but I don't think the other claim holds up. Since I'm planning to eventually add a page for Brazil the country (found a lot of info on the co-production and dubs), I'd prefer to keep the renamed title as is, but I like the initial suggestion, for linking within text, where simply placing the mouse underneath with reveal the actual link name. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:57, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Good analogy. You wouldn't call Disney's film, Greetings Friends. —Scott ( talk ) 22:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, you would call it that if that was what it was called in America. We call it Ugly Betty, and not Betty la Fea. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:19, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, that's why I chimed in, to note that "Aquarela do Brasil" has been used in English productions and records, so the distinction is less of language than of the original title becoming more obscured as the years passed, as often happens. At this point, though, I'm a little confused as to what's being debated. If it's just the internal link within articles, I agree with Danny. If it's for redirects or page moves, I'm against it. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:25, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the question is about the link itself; I don't think anyone wants to rename the pages. However it's a split decision on the links.  For what it's worth, the legal title of the English lyrics version of this song is "Brasil", so with that and Andrew's example I'd say that what we call it "in America" is a bit up for grabs.  I don't suppose it was named on the show by chance?  If it were that's what I'd say the link should be.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:22, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Release Gallery
Hi, Wendy! Do you know how to edit the release gallery on The Muppet Movie? Some of the longer label names and catalog numbers are coming across on 2 lines. Is there a way to make them line up more uniformly? Thanks. -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Is that better? There's no really good solution for the re-release CD label.  Just so you know, you can insert   tags to force a line break and line things up.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:11, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I thought about the breaks, but since I didn't see any in there, I wasn't sure how it was built, and I didn't want to mess up somebody else's work. Looks great now, although I kind of knew that BMG and BMG Kidz and Jim Henson Records were going to need to be abbreviated!  Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:08, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Year of the Pig
Holy cow. That new Disney pin is breathtaking. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:48, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Isn't it though? -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Songs from Jim Henson's Muppets
Hey, Wendy? Question. "Skater" made an edit to Favorite Songs from Jim Henson's Muppets, adding "Saying Goodbye" as a 16th song. Your text claims there were only 15. Can you check, and either confirm or disprove the change? -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:47, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's fairly confusing online actually; the 15 songs is from the official book blurb for both versions (which is identical). As best I can tell, of the reputable people (notably the sheetmusic places), anybody describing the Easy Piano gives the official blurb about 15 songs and then lists 16.  Those same people and a few others on the regular edition give the 15 song blurb and then list 15 songs; the missing one is "Rocket to the Stars".  So "Skater" was right to add "Saying Goodbye" which I had just somehow dropped in editing the page.  I actually saw him add it and meant to go check on the 15/16 song thing but forgot.
 * Anyhow, I've taken out the "15" and added a note to the songlist by Rocket based on what I found tonight; if somebody ever has access to both versions it will be good to verify. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Question from Current Events
Wendy, I didn't want to ask during the conversation with everybody about multiple album releases, but what were you referring to when you mentioned an RHS big image and box? -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I just meant the usual 300px wide image and info box we put on the right hand side (RHS) of practically every page on the wiki... book, album, character, you name it. While I like the gallery or whatever for the extra releases, I don't want to take away that big picture and basic information.  I think for albums it should probably be the first version released; in the case of simultaneous releases I would guess US LP or CD version.  Sorry about the acronym; I try to remember to avoid them for clarity but occasionally they sneak through.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:57, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I like that too. Use the first edition for the big picture, and then the others can go on the bottom in a kind of "see also" section.  I'm glad we're talking about this now, because with the Genius Products deal, I think we're going to see a lot of reissued product that used to be on Sony Wonder, and I'm hoping more "classic" stuff! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:21, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Elegance
An anon user added a note to the songbox on the "Elegance" page. Since you're the song guru, I thought you should take a look... -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Huh. I learn something every day. Thanks for pointing that out. I'm curious to check Scott's TMS song database later tonight (and I'm vaguely wondering if I have any sheet music or a soundtrack lieing around), but ASCAP has "Elegance" written by Bob Merrill.  Also the song "Motherhood" from the same musical... and neither under Jerry Herman.  Some directed googling find people who refer to it as "uncredited"; certainly IBDB, wikipedia, Amazon, etc. claim Jerry Herman wrote the whole show. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:00, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Wendy!
I have 2 questions that I've been wondering about:

1) How do you make that up and down line?

2) Why is the time so way off? -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:39, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


 * 1) Do you mean the vertical line in a table? You add a || between columns.  Or just a single one for the sides.  It's shift+backslash key on my keyboard, right above the enter key.
 * 2) The time is displayed in UTC, or Coordinated Universal Time. It's a standardization thing since wikia is used by people around the world.  Roughly speaking it's about what time it is in London.  You can change how you see timestamps in your Preferences (link at the top of the page) for dynamic things like "Recent Changes".  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:49, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I figured it had something to do with GMT, but I was going nuts trying to figure out when people were posting.  I'm on the West Coast, and I was having to subtract 8 hours when I was reading replies. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:58, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Foreign 45's
Hey, Wendy, did you find another one? Where did you find it? By the way, have you seen Danny? It seems like he hasn't been posting much, and I still have a lot of questions. I didn't want to bother him if he was busy with other parts of the site (not to mention real life), so I'll go do some minor cleanups for a while. Thanks. -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:25, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Wendy, don't bother answering the question about me; I'm here... :) -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 14:25, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Ken. I'm happy to answer questions you have if I can.  I found the album picture on ebay under "Worldwide" listings (two listings oddly enough).  I've got another French one as well but it needs more doctoring to see if it can be salvaged.   It's a mixed bag searching there; you get stuff without pictures and stuff with really bad pictures as often as something useable, but over time it adds up.  I've never really searched Muppets albums before; only Sesame Street.
 * Anyhow, one odd thing I found with only a picture of the album itself, not the cover, is a single of "Sax and Violence" with B-side "Mah Na Mah Na with Lullabye of Birdland", listed as Arista with the same album number as the Arista "Mah Na Mah Na/Mr. Bassman" single in the discography.  But I found a listing for the latter (no Arista number given, no useable pic) as well, so at least that combination is a real one also... -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 19:06, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow! You know what that means?  That means that there were 2 different B-sides to the Mahna Mahna 45!  I never knew that before!  I wonder which one came first?  I wish we could check the matrix numbers!  Anyway, we'll have to remember that, because I have the "Mahna Mahna"/"Mr. Bassman" coupling. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:30, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

New stuff
Hi Wendy... I don't know if you got my e-mail or not... I have a bunch of new merchandise scans from the archives that I can send you. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 16:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I got it; I'm sorry I took so long to respond - I wasn't reading my email last weekend. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

deleting redirects
Hi, Wendy! Don't forget to check what links here when you delete a page that became a redirect after it's been moved. Otherise, those pages will have redlinks. I caught a few of them, but I just wanted to remind you in case I wasn't around for any others. —Scott ( talk ) 04:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Aargh. Yes thank you for the reminder. I usually do check actually, except when I'm tired and forget that anything might actually link to a Muppet Babies book.  Like an author page.  I was going to go clean up the Images Wanted at the end.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Honestly, I don't know what I'd do without that handy What Links Here link on every page. —Scott ( talk ) 05:10, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Back covers
Hi Wendy: You've put up a couple back covers -- on Baby Kermit's Opposites and Baby Fozzie on Cloud Nine. That's not something we've done before, and my initial reaction is that I'm not crazy about it. You feel like talking about it? -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 23:18, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I think in some cases, as in The Sesame Street Song Book, it's relevant and interesting. I'm not sure how I feel about the Muppet Babies books. —Scott ( talk ) 00:12, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I have no real vested interest in it; I just happened to find a bookseller who had good scans of them. In the case of Baby Kermit's Opposites the back cover has a reasonably detailed description of the book series, and I thought that might come in handy at some point, so I was effectively parking the image.  In the case of Baby Fozzie on Cloud Nine it just has a reasonably detailed synopsis of the book (which we rarely seem to have); I'd be fine with just paraphrasing and taking it down; I was being lazy.  And yeah, the song book is just cool.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 00:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I think the Song Book is cool. But the Muppet Babies back covers don't add much. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:40, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Sesame Street world globe
That's so cool -- nice find! — Scott ( talk ) 20:15, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'm always so pleased to remember there is some cool stuff out there to find amidst all the awful Tyco plush! -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 20:23, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, my stars. That's wonderful! -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 22:23, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

PVC figures
Yay, I love all the merchandise stuff you've been adding -- and I'm especially excited to see the Applause figures. That was something that I was working on a while ago, and then forgot about. I have some more pictures to add; I'll try to get them up soon. Yay. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 11:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! It's good to know you like them -- from the state of all the SS PVC pages I figured nobody much cared about them actually; but that long list was begging for some more images! I have some more pics to upload at some point as well, and I was going to poke around on another site for them at some point.  However right now I"m going to take a nap to catch up some of the hours of sleep my toddler decided we didn't need last night...  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I love the PVCs -- it's just been lots of work, so I haven't worked on the page. Take a nap, though! -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 20:44, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

TMS songs
Hey, Wendy! Do you think we could put together a list of songs from The Muppet Show that we can't otherwise find information for? In adding to "Jogging," I know there's also "I'm Falling" from Episode 506: Brooke Shields, but I know there are others. I've got a contact at Henson that I might be able to ask about their origins. — Scott ( talk ) 05:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That would be great! I hate seeing song pages without song info boxes.
 * Off the top of my head:
 * "Leave Me Some Magic"
 * "I'm So Happy"
 * "Dog Eat Dog"
 * "Sweet Tooth Jam" (although it is on a bunch of albums so there should be some info on liner notes somewhere; I just don't have the right albums to check).
 * And then there's that Rowlf piano number from Episode 223: John Cleese. Also wasn't there some question about Swine Lake ??
 * How thorough do you want to be about it? Would it be best to limit it to a few of the most stumpish?  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:50, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'd say the most stumpyish. I can't promise anything, but I'm going to give it my best shot. I think the handful we've got here is a good batch. Are we sure we've exhausted all the regular resources on these? — Scott ( talk ) 06:06, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The liner notes on Muppet Hits Take 2 say "Sweet Tooth Jam (D. Scott) Jim Henson Productions, Inc. (ASCAP)". I don't have Muppet Show Music Album, so I can't check those notes. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 11:25, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Perfect! And going by writer I can find it in ASCAP also; legal title "Sweet Tooth", which is why I never found it before.   Why exactly it was called just "Jam" on Muppet Show Music Album (assuming that really is the same song)  and "Sweet Tooth Jam" on the later album, but registered as just "Sweet Tooth" is just one of those mysteries in life I guess.
 * "Dog Eat Dog" had the authors in Season 1 morsels; I had been meaning to check that.
 * I'm crossing out "Swine Lake" as well; I think somebody with a good ear and the original could answer that one.
 * If I can find my copy of Rowlf's Rhapsodies tonight I can check if there were song credits in it, which might give us "I'm So Happy". I think we've exhausted everything except "name that tune" message boards and waiting for muppet morsels for the rest, which were generally not ever released outside the show. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 14:53, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Any luck with Rowlf's Rhapsodies? If not, I'm going with this short list for now: "Jogging," "I'm Falling," "Leave Me Some Magic" and "I'm So Happy." Remind me in a few days -- I have an email out right now and I don't want to crowd with questions. — Scott ( talk ) 02:11, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Well I found the video finally at least; I just haven't watched it yet. But I'll easily get to it in the next couple of days before you send the email; I could use a good dose of Rowlf.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:30, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Rowlf is like a warm cup of cocoa. — Scott ( talk ) 02:35, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Isn't he though? I'm all happy and sleepy now. Plus the video ends with the Snerfs, which is (who are?) a strong contender for my favorite skit ever.  Anyhow, the credits don't include info on the songs (except the theme), so no help there.  On the plus side, I finally got a chance to transcribe the Itzhak Perlman comment.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, that's a great trivia bit -- I love it! — Scott ( talk ) 04:16, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Psst... check your email! — Scott ( talk ) 03:50, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Err. Whatever you sent didn't make it yet... -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:01, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I sent it to the Yahoo address I have for you; is that right? It might be because there's an attachment, but it's not a very big one. — Scott ( talk ) 06:29, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, I just re-sent. — Scott ( talk ) 22:39, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Merchandise articles
Hey Wendy: I've started messing around with the way the merchandise categories work, to accommodate all the new information that we've been adding. Yesterday I created categories for Licensees, so we can keep track of all the Fisher-Price stuff without having to search, or keep updating a list on the Fisher-Price article page.

So now that I'm doing that, it strikes me that the way we've been making article titles is kind of confusing. We've been putting the company name at the beginning of many of the articles -- that made sense at the beginning, when we didn't have many merchandise articles, but now it's getting hard to tell the articles apart.

I have an idea for how to fix this, but I want to run it past you, cause you do so much merchandise stuff. My thought is to use the company names only for disambiguation, and not as a rule.

So: "Muppet dolls (Fisher-Price)" rather than "Fisher-Price Muppet dolls". Then that's a disambiguation from "Muppet dolls (Direct Connect)" and "Muppet dolls (Sababa)".

For the category, we can then alphabetize the article like this: and. The "Dolls Muppet" part is because then another article could be.

For article titles that don't need the disambiguation, we can take the company name out -- like Giggle Gabbers. We don't need the company names on Nanco Muppets' Wizard of Oz Plush, Target Zing Into Spring Dolls, or Hasbro Sesame Street Weebles.

So what do you think? -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 13:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I saw some of the reorg you were doing and thought it worked nicely to better collect some of the common brands. I was planning to poke around a bit more today and see where things fell but I liked it so far.
 * The renaming sounds pretty good actually; it'll be a nice match to how we handle similar "Same names" elsewhere on the wiki. It will also help clean up some of the merchandise main categories.   Although the  is going to have an entire list of similar titles in it; it's really rather a pity we can't change the title in the category the way we can with link names.   That way if somebody went to the Muppet Dolls they would just see a list of companies rather than a big list of "Muppet dolls (company)".
 * In a related vein, would it be worth collecting some of the 1-shot items into Misc. pages? For example, right now we have separate pages for Kermit Valentine plush, Kermit and Miss Piggy Valentine plush (already lacking company names), Presents Santa Kermit and the aforementioned "Zing into Spring Dolls".  they could easily be accomodated as separate sections on a single page of "Muppet dolls (other)"...  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 15:00, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I was cleaning up a couple of the Category:Muppets Plush pages so I went ahead and renamed them as suggested - see what you think; it's only a few so easy to either undo or keep going forward.


 * Yeah, I think the renaming is great -- and I'm glad you changed the Giftware "dolls" to "plush". I know, it's a pain about the Muppet Dolls category -- but if we alphabetize under the name of the company, then that'll help.


 * If we need to merge pages, then I think we should merge them according to company, rather than setting up another Miscellaneous page. (I know that I set up a Misc. Muppet Puzzles page, but that was just cause I was being lazy -- I'm planning to split those out into companies too.) There are some toys that are notable enough to have their own, but in general, I think it's best to have them split by company. The bell just rang -- now I have to go back to work! :) -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 15:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

administration
Hi, Wendy! It's been discussed amongst the admins here and we've decided that your exemplary work on the wiki has garnered attention. For some time now you've been paying as much attention to administrative duties as anyone else with that status. So as of now, you have full admin permissions on the wiki which include blocking vandals, easier "rollback" tools for reverting large strings of vandalism from a user's contributions page, and deleting pages that are appropriate for deletion (this includes those nasty redirects that have otherwise caused problems when trying to move a page). You're just as familiar with policy around here as anyone, but let me me know if you have any questions or concerns. — Scott ( talk ) 02:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh wow - thanks (I think)! I take a break to empty the dishwasher and voila - new useful links to play with and I broke 3000 edits all at once.  This is definitely not helping my ongoing insistence to my husband that I don't spend that much time on the wiki!  I'm pretty familiar with everything except not knowing how long you guys block IPs for name-policy; looking through the block log it seems to be all over the map (everything from 1 week to 1 year??).  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think it really matters so long as the point of logging in with a user name gets across. I like to keep the block in those cases shorter as an extra show of good faith. On the other hand, the welcome and username templates are set up specifically to give them enough time to understand the policy.


 * And don't feel to weighted with the new permissions. Keep doing what you've been doing, just know that you can do a little bit more if it needs to be done :) — Scott ( talk ) 05:16, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yay! I'm glad you're an admin now. You've contributed so much to the wiki -- great content, great editing, and regular damage control. :)


 * With the username blocks, I think we play it by ear based on the quality of the person's contributions. If the person adds helpful stuff, and just needs some persuasion to sign in, then I'll block them for a week. On the other hand, if the person's contributions are stupid and borderline vandalism, I'll block them for much longer. We try not to block for an infinite time, because IPs change. We usually only use infinite IP blocks for vandalism.


 * I've also started to protect pages that have been vandalised by anonymice -- especially the obsessive ones, like our resident Animal Show pest. It seems like if a page gets vandalised once, it's likely to happen again. So you can hit "protect", and then set it to "Block unregistered users".


 * Or, like Scott said, just keep doing what you're doing. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 11:43, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Merchandise
Hey Wendy: I was at the University of Maryland yesterday looking through the CTW archives, and I found some cool stuff on the merchandise that I think you'll like -- puzzles and so forth. Write to me and give me your e-mail address, and I'll send you some scans. I'm at toughpigs@gmail.com. Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)