User:Aleal/Talk Archive 15

Archive of Andrew.

Morphin
Oh my gosh, I love Super Morphin Mega Monsters so much. I never heard of that; it's fantastic. My favorite part is that they waved their arms around and then reasoned with people. Unbelievably great.

Do you have a bigger version of the title card? I'd like to cut the black outline off, but at 300px, it'll make an image that's too small. -- Danny (talk ) 11:11, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll see what I can do. It's from an online copy (not YouTube, but some other service), so I had to work around some things; you can view it here. Feel free to try to get your own version. And revel in the arm waving. In particular, Telly shouts a lot of "Hiyaas," before and after pointing out that prejudice is wrong. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 14:52, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Hoerspielen
Hey Andrew -- are there any other sites out there about hoerspielen? I just found 6 episodes of Die Fraggles that were released by Intercord on LP/Tape (two per set; eg. this auction). Problem is there isn't a year given, nor is it clear whether these are full episodes or not (since it's a different company I'm not taking it for granted). You do all the foreign stuff so I thought I'd ask if you know of any other German resources that might talk about these... Otherwise I'll ask Julian.

Incidentally, I found a picture for the Muppet Christmas Carol Hoerspiel, but have no idea what to do with it; any thoughts? -- Wendy (talk ) 01:02, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, Wendy! There's "Die Horspeilwelten," which has the advantage of searching by label, as seen here. All the Intercom titles they have are there, including Die Fraggles. Another page, here, gives the date as 1984. Again, same voice cast as the series, so probably full episodes, but check with Julian, also re the Christmas Carol content (full soundtrack or altered). As for where to put the latter, probably either Category:International Muppet Misc. Merchandise, or indeed, I'd think the horspiels could probably fit in Category:International Muppet Albums. I'd been planning a page on the German dub of Christmas Carol anyway, so I may just add it now. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 01:18, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the links - I figured there had to be more sites out there. Interesting that Die Horspielwelten lists the first 5 episodes, but not the 6th, when the picture of the album they have for the 5th has the 6th on it!


 * I've waffled on the album-ness of these. But that's as good a place as any for Christmas Carol I suppose; although Category:Muppet Christmas Carol Merchandise might be an option also.  -- Wendy  (talk ) 02:43, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it should probably go there regardless. Granted, we usually like to split out the international stuff, but outside of the DVD releases, this may well be the only international piece of Christmas Carol merchandise, and it would make it easier to find. Also, be sure to link to it from Die Muppets Weihnachtsgeschichte when/if you create the page. -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 02:46, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

¡Mambo!
Hi, Andrew! I like the page you made on Tito Puente. I never even knew he was on Sesame Street. So what are you up to this fall? I forgot if you were looking for a job or if you were going to school in Texas. Anyway, talk to you later! -- Ken (talk ) 01:24, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, Ken. I'm still basically inbetween. I'm not going back to school unless I go on to the doctorate, which I can't do here, and right now I'm not entirely sure I want to, or if so, why (I'm still feeling incredibly burned out by the last two years). I'm doing some part time work for dad, but that's it right now, trying to find more writing opportunities (I have one, right up my alley, for an academic book on the Muppets, which is great and will get me in print again, but also doesn't pay anything, so). Glad you liked the Puente page! -- Andrew Leal (talk ) 21:24, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool! What's the Muppet book about?  When will it come out?  I'll buy one.  I'd love to turn our record data into some sort of reference book.  There have been 2 books on Disney records (1 price guide and 1 history), and I wish we (or somebody) could do something for Sesame/Muppet records.  I hope you get some good opportunities soon! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:15, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Galleries and Ographies
Hey, Andrew! I'm starting to like the way the videography looks in the gallery format. Do you think the LP discography would look good in that format too? I wanted to ask you, since you've seen it already. Would it be a lot of work to change? What do you think? -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:34, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

MST3K connections
Oh, bless your heart for expanding the MST3K connections. I've wanted to do something with that, but I couldn't figure out where to start. I didn't even know that Clint Eastwood, Lorne Greene and John Williams were involved in MST films! Fantastic. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 11:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Sal
Hi Andrew,

Muppet Wiki is great!

Just one thing.

I noticed that when viewing the Muppet designer credits that I was not listed.

I worked at the Muppet workshop from 1977 to 1980. I was hired by Don Shalin in 1977 as his assistant in training and continued as the workshop after his untimely death in February 1978.

You can find me listed as a Muppet designer in the book "Of Muppets and Men" by Christopher Finch, Alfred A.Knopf,Inc. 1981.

Others who I worked with at the time Ed Christe, Larry Jameson,Dave Goelz, are some of the people who can verify this.

You can check my web site at www.saldenaro.com to view my work and bio.

I added(edited) my name to the the page of Muppet designers at the top.If this was done incorrectly please forgive my not doing it properly and correct as you and the MUPPET WIKI team see fit.

I hope you can help me on this and add me as a contributor to the Muppet Legacy.

Many Thanks in advance.

Sincerely,

Sal Denaro salmotion@yahoo.com

Man of Steel
Hey, nice addition to Superman. Glad to see you here again. —Scott ( talk ) 00:29, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I finally found a program, Video Lan, which makes it easy to screengrab from downloaded video files, so I'll be adding a lot more this week. Also, your package arrived! I really enjoyed Sesame Street: 20 and Still Counting, and have a lot of images and credits to add for Little Muppet Monsters. Whee! -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:38, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

1-2-3 Sesame Street Playset
Hey Andrew. I was wondering about this toy. I keep seeing boxes for it that clearly say it was by Child Guidance instead of Playskool (eg. this one and there's a picture which shows a 1983 copyright. Where did you get the info you posted on it?  I thought Child Guidance was long gone by the 80s anyhow, so I'm very confused at the moment.   -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:36, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The source for Playskool is a Sesame products guide found By Danny in the CTW Archives, which is where I got the image on the page, so they definitely released a version of it, which was still being advertised in 1986. *But* it might not have been released then. I had the toy myself, but most of it has been thrown out by now (as a child, I had the poor judgement to play with my Sesame/Little People houses outside for greater realism, and tended to leave them their in poor wearger). However, I found one chair, which has a 1984 CBS Toys copyright date on it. Since CBS Toys bought out Child Guidance, that raises possibilities. Right now, one is that it was released first by Child Guidance in the late 1970s, then by CBS Toys, and then re-issued by Playskool (there's differences in coloration in different sets I've seen on E-bay, which also reminded me of playground accessories I forgot to include). I'm not sure I trust the date on the E-bay page. The image seems to show a Child Guidance label, so that's good evidence that they put it out (unless CBS Toys kept the brand name around after the buyout?), but do they have any source for the date? -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:44, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I added some more information to the playset page. It was originally produced by CBS Toys in 1984, and then re-released under the Playskool label in 1986. We've been talking about the weird history of these toy companies on Talk:Show 'n Tell. I think it's worth pooling our information and trying to figure this out, so I'm going to create a Toy company history sandbox page. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 12:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * One of the pictures in the auction shows a line of text on the interior that reads "Muppet Characters copyright 1983 Muppets Inc.". I assume that's where they got the date.  I'll go check out Danny's sandbox page now on the Child Guidance vs. CBS Toys issue, but yeah, the box on this one clearly had the Child Guidance label which was part of my confusion.  -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 00:55, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * (It's good to have you back!) -- <font color="Blue">Wendy  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 00:56, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Record Research?
Hey, Andrew! I was thinking about you recently because I know that you know a lot about library research. I was wondering where I would go to look up things like reviews of the first few Sesame record albums. I'm thinking of looking through magazines like Billboard and Rolling Stone, but where can I find stuff like articles and reviews from magazines and journals that are teacher-related? I'm trying to see how the education community reacted to the record albums, and what they thought of them. But I don't even know where to start, mostly because I don't know the names of any magazines and journals like that. Maybe stuff from the American Library Association, where they review new material? Anyway, anything you can do to help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:27, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't really help you much there. For the most part, as far as I know, records of that kind weren't widely reviewed until possibly the 1980s, and definitely not in an American Library Association catalogue. One of the main exceptions might be The Year of Roosevelt Franklin, since it was widely promoted as having social as well as pedagogical value; I just uploaded one review/ad, above, which I found through a university database. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to relocate it; I downloaded it as a PDF and saved under my own file name, and forgot what the publication was (It was a sidebar to an article on "Super Contracts for Super Athletes.")


 * What libraries do you have access to? Or more importantly, what databases do they have access to? That might be a better and quicker start, just to see what's out there, and then find the actual articles if you can. Also, check the books on Sesame Street, like Sesame Street and the Reform of Children's Television, especially the bibliography and notes, to see if any specific reviews or articles are mentioned. On the whole, the difficulty is you're delving into an area which in general wasn't closely examined by outside publications at the time. But one promising source I've found is the International Index to Music Periodicals. Again, it's hard to join, so check your local libraries, especially university libraries, to see if they've subscribed (if not, e-mail me and maybe we can arrange something). Nothing really old, but for example, there's "Musical Analysis of Sesame Street: Implications for Music Therapy Practice and Research" from 1993, which could conceivably mention the records, or at least those then available. That's about the best I can do for now, I'm afraid. Also, scrounge around the periodic literature indexes, hardcopy; ask the librarian which ones they have. Check the years of albums you're most interested, see if anything comes up under "Records" or "Sesame Street," etc. It's more time consuming and definitely hit and miss, but I've often found unexpected and useful items that way. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:24, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, thank you very much! That looks like a full-page ad that must have run in Billboard.  I'll have to look that up.  (I found some actual color pieces of film in the archives that were color ads for the first LP.  Danny tried to scan them, but they didn't come out.)  Anyway, I'm right between 2 California State University campuses, and I have lifetime library access to the entire CSU system (which is the only reason I joined the Alumni Association!).  Plus I have a degree in Music, and that index you mentioned sounds familiar, so I think we might have it.  (And that article sounds like fun just to read on its own!)  And I'm near a bunch of local public libraries, so I'll try the other things you mentioned, too.  It's good to talk to you again!  I missed you! -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 05:01, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Looney Tunes: Back in Action
I noticed that my muppet wiki article about Looney Tunes: Back in Action was deleted because it said that the Creature Shop was involved the creation of the Bugs and Daffy puppets. Actually, if you go to www.looneytunesbackinaction.com and look at the behind the scenes production notes, it says "The Jim Henson Creature Shop created the reference puppets under the supervision of Barclay", which is why I think my Looney Tunes: Back in Action article should be on the wiki

Thanks, from Animation Geek


 * I presume this is what you mentioned (the URL you quoted above doesn't exist). It's a point but not strong enough evidence on its own, as its absolutely the only evidence I can find anywhere. The screen credits credit Barclay and Lanoil only, as Technical Consultants, not the Creature Shop. Interviews with Barclay and such don't mention the Creature Shop. It might be worth e-mailing Barclay, but even on the off chance it is proved that the Creature Shop is involved, we wouldn't allow a page for Joe Dante (we only include directors of Creature Shop films produced by the Jim Henson Company). -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 16:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Dog the Dog
This amuses me. —Scott ( talk ) 04:32, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * As well it should! I did a double take when I first saw that on the Wiki. -- 04:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks Andrew for fixing my page. I'll ask next time for some help. Sorry and thanks again. -- <font color="Blue">Kyle (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 11:21, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Gorilla Suits and Track Listings
Hey, Andrew, the whole conversation about "Gorilla Suits" vs. "Gorilla suits" got me to looking at headings in the record section. How do you feel about the way those headings are (or aren't) capitalized? Since most of them are 2 words, I'd like both words to be capitalized, but is there any rule of how you're supposed to do it? "See also" is usually done with just the first word capitalized in other sections, but sometimes I see "See Also". The record section right now has "Track listing", "See also", "Production Credits", and "Other Releases". Should they all be the same? Thanks! -- <font color="Blue">Ken (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 06:15, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It's never really been discussed before, but preferably, headings should always be capitalized, yeah, and the majority are. Most pages, for example, use "See Also," though that seems to be the one with the most variance, so it probably matters less. That's my take anyway. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 07:53, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I would actually prefer those not to be capitalized. I like "See also" much more than "See Also". We should talk about this on Current events, although it would be nice to wait until Scott got back. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 16:38, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Scott's the one who uses it the most, and he always capitalizes it, so I've done likewise. I don't particularly care one way or the other. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 17:19, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll wait until next week. I'll bring up some other questions then, too. -- <font color="Blue">Ken  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:14, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Sezamkowy
Hey babe: This image is from the Minimini site. Is "Sezamkowy Zakatek" the name of the Polish Sesame? -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 00:04, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope. It's Ulica Sezamkowa. However, "Sezamkowy Zakatek" is what's used for Polish translations of Sesame Street books and stuff. So it may be a more literal translation of Sesame Street, or a collective term they use for the line. Either way, it has nothing to do with an actual show. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 00:10, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, now that I think about it, it's probably Sesame Nook, which Nick added some time ago, since I see it's used on their page, and seems to include all the characters. If we can confirm it, it would make sense to move the page, since we've pretty much decided we use original language for all show titles (all though accomodating the English alphabet and spelling). -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 00:12, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Aha! Thanks to Dictionary.com, "Zakatek" means "corner," which is a synonym for "nook." So yeah, that's what it is. And that page is pretty naked, so that's a perfect home for the image or an equivalent without the input window. -- <font color="Blue">Andrew Leal (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 00:18, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Flash
Thanks for restoring the Flash page. I had meant to put in a list of his appearances (that I am aware of... But I only know of three), but after editing the page half of it was deleted. I tried again, this time previewing the page, and the preview had the whole page deleted. Odd. --Minor muppetz 21:29, 1 August 2007 (UTC)