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Well, the thick marker "Elmo" note and signature clearly had to have been after Elmo was a named character (possibly after he'd become a featured character). But that's not the same tool used for the "Short Red" date (which also differs from the penciled "Short Red," I agree). The formal SS label date format (also briefly glimpsed on the "SS Tall" character next to him) would most likely have been either added not long afterwards or when this was filed. Which is why we'd need to hear from Wilcox or just someone who worked in the workshop at the time and knew how things worked. |
Well, the thick marker "Elmo" note and signature clearly had to have been after Elmo was a named character (possibly after he'd become a featured character). But that's not the same tool used for the "Short Red" date (which also differs from the penciled "Short Red," I agree). The formal SS label date format (also briefly glimpsed on the "SS Tall" character next to him) would most likely have been either added not long afterwards or when this was filed. Which is why we'd need to hear from Wilcox or just someone who worked in the workshop at the time and knew how things worked. |
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| − | I'm just not sure it's likely that the one artifact we have with a date could be wrong or bent in such a way as to verify years later memories (if it was a mistake, it would be more likely to be off by months than years, and even then, I don't see how 1979 can be bent to fit 1970 or 1971). I can understand our reluctance to doubt Caroll Spinney (since this the only significant instance where his memory doesn't seem to match evidence and probability), but I think we may be trying too hard there. If we want verification, I'd much rather we try our contact lists (which may be limited in this case, I know) to see who we know who worked in the NY Workshop or who knows people who did and send out some feelers. In the (to my mind unlikely) event there was some dating error and Elmo really existed years |
+ | I'm just not sure it's likely that the one artifact we have with a date could be wrong or bent in such a way as to verify years later memories (if it was a mistake, it would be more likely to be off by months than years, and even then, I don't see how 1979 can be bent to fit 1970 or 1971). I can understand our reluctance to doubt Caroll Spinney (since this the only significant instance where his memory doesn't seem to match evidence and probability), but I think we may be trying too hard there. If we want verification, I'd much rather we try our contact lists (which may be limited in this case, I know) to see who we know who worked in the NY Workshop or who knows people who did and send out some feelers. In the (to my mind unlikely) event there was some dating error and Elmo really existed years earlier and spent the inbetween time in a drawer per Spinney's story, then that's the best way to trace it. |
Latest revision as of 15:50, 5 September 2015
Well, the thick marker "Elmo" note and signature clearly had to have been after Elmo was a named character (possibly after he'd become a featured character). But that's not the same tool used for the "Short Red" date (which also differs from the penciled "Short Red," I agree). The formal SS label date format (also briefly glimpsed on the "SS Tall" character next to him) would most likely have been either added not long afterwards or when this was filed. Which is why we'd need to hear from Wilcox or just someone who worked in the workshop at the time and knew how things worked.
I'm just not sure it's likely that the one artifact we have with a date could be wrong or bent in such a way as to verify years later memories (if it was a mistake, it would be more likely to be off by months than years, and even then, I don't see how 1979 can be bent to fit 1970 or 1971). I can understand our reluctance to doubt Caroll Spinney (since this the only significant instance where his memory doesn't seem to match evidence and probability), but I think we may be trying too hard there. If we want verification, I'd much rather we try our contact lists (which may be limited in this case, I know) to see who we know who worked in the NY Workshop or who knows people who did and send out some feelers. In the (to my mind unlikely) event there was some dating error and Elmo really existed years earlier and spent the inbetween time in a drawer per Spinney's story, then that's the best way to trace it.