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Kickstart or Die

Where would this fall in? Baby Sinclair from the Dinosaurs One Man Show from KickstartOrDie ---- Jesse (talk) 20:41, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

Fan Video Policy

copied from Scott's user talk page regarding "Sad Kermit"; relevant since it sums up policy

Hi Scott. Could you please explain to me why that article is not relevant here. It seemed just as relevant as The Bear Wit Project, The Grouch Report or The Muppet Show in Ham's Deep. It might not have been an official, or even a flattering, "Muppet Mention" but I don't understand why it is any less relevant than the other unofficial creations or references in here. Please let me know how the relevance of a Muppet parody, mention or reference is based around here so I don't make the same kind mistake in the future when contributing. Ӝ 23:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

That's a good question, actually, and might be worth bringing up at current events. No doubt Scott will address this himself, but in my opinion, I think YouTube fan videos are a can of worms for a number of reasons. One, there's so many of them; you add "Sad Kermit," and then everyone who's ever created a random Muppet fan video or vicious parody or whatever will want to add theirs, from the Scorsese Sesame Street thing to "C for Cookie" and so on. Second, they're extremely temporary, even moreso than most online things: pulled for copyright violations, re-uploaded again, moved to different sites... Bear Wit Project, which it's worth noting was added nearly two years ago, when the Wiki was just starting and a lot of things weren't well defined, is pretty similar (and the site itself dead, though the film still circulates on YouTube and so on). The Grouch Report is also kind of borderline (not a fan site but a personal parody blog, which is *also* now offline). So my own feeling is that it's worth staying away from internet distributed fan videos entirely, and probably parody blogs unless they're put out by a reputable outfit, like The Onion. So under that rule, things like Homestar Runner would be allowed, Sad Kermit, films of Elmo cussing, etc., wouldn't. Similarly, any parodies, whether unflattering or otherwise, which were released theatrically or via mainstream commercial video, or aired on broadcast or cable TV (whether in the US or elsewhere), are allowed: Robot Chicken, Meet the Feebles, Bernie und Ert, etc. Internet memes come and go, and "Sad Kermit" and the like have a much shorter lifespan, even if many people see them in that brief time, than film or TV properties which can and usually will be re-run, released on DVD, and so on. Finally, articles on Robot Chicken or the Family Guy references just note that these exist and are proof of the Muppets visibility as pop-culture references in mainstream media, but can't exactly be seen as support of the programs. Whereas linking to fan videos on YouTube, Daily Motion and the like, which Henson and others see as copyright violations, could be interpreted as supporting the practice, and that's just probably not good policy for the Wiki (for similar reasons, we don't allow YouTube links to anything which is commercially available). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 00:43, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Exactly what Andrew said. I couldn't have said it any better myself. —Scott (talk) 15:10, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
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