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Surprise dog in B&E apartment sketch
Episode 2292 of Sesame Street has Ernie bringing home what looks like a Labradoodle pup; is this a live animal or a Muppet? If it's real, the unnamed dog belongs on the list in my opinion. --Ingeborg 06:11, November 6, 2009 (UTC)
Actors and Characters
This category includes both animals who are actors and animal characters. This creates some confusion.
- Spice is included in Live Animals, as the dog who plays Jessie in Animal Farm. Jessie isn't included in this category.
- Bamboo is included as the dog who serves as the model for Jojo in The Jim Henson Hour, but Jojo isn't -- although the live dog does play Jojo in at least one scene. Ditto Foo-Foo, who's sometimes live.
- There are also animal characters listed here, including Milky White, Chuckie Sue and Lolita the Chicken, as well as the Houyhnhnms.
If Spice plays Jessie in Animal Farm, then I don't think it makes sense to include both articles in the same category. Ditto Noah, the dog who plays Butch in Cats & Dogs. (We don't have an article for Butch yet, but if we did, presumably it would go in this category too.)
I think it makes more sense to separate this into Live Animal Actors and Live Animal Characters, and then link them to each other with a "See also". What do you guys think? -- Danny (talk) 16:17, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if there's enough to make a difference, though there's also Bart the Bear (and for the record, Butch wouldn't go here, and neither do Jessie, since they're primarily Creatures; it makes more sense to me to include the animal "doubles" than the characters who are mostly puppets and only occasionally live). So right now, there's absolutely no overlap of characters and animal actors being in the same category, and I don't think there needs be. If others agree, and I know there's tons more animal actors if we get around to adding things from Good Boy! (none of whose characters involved puppetry or animatronics, so that would be overlap), it might work. But right now, it seems a little unnecessary for just three or four articles, and I *definitely* wouldn't want to see Foo-Foo and the like added here, to be honest. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 17:15, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
- I dunno, I think it's just a category for live animals. There are so few of them in our Muppet/Henson/etc universes, it's a neat place to collect all of them. Which is why Sesame Street Animal Films was also here as it fits with Live Animals Who Have Appeared on The Muppet Show. —Scott (talk) 21:04, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
- Right, I just don't think Foo-Foo is primarily a live animal and should not be categorized as such, whereas her stunt dog, if identified, would fit. It seems easier to include the animal actors, when known, then the primarily creature/Muppet characters they doubled for or supplemented. As I said, the only potential confusion there would be if/when we get around to mining Good Boy!, where performers and characters are both animals. -- Andrew Leal (talk)
What about Muppets/creatures that are sometimes live animals, such as Muppy, Ambrosius and Jojo? Should they go in here (and Muppets/Creatures)? Should we create some kind of list to denote them? Or should we just ignore the "live animal/animal puppet" switching character trait? -- Brad D. (talk) 22:26, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
- If you want to create such a list, it's up to you, but I wouldn't include the characters themselves in the category. Jojo's already taken care of, since we have Bamboo, and generally I think that's the better way to work it; if the character was mostly a puppet but a live animal used for certain shots, include the name of the animal performer when known. And in the case of Ambrosius, it was the same live dog used for Merlin, and he already has a page. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 06:09, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Animals vs Animal Songs
My interpretation of this category is that it's just for articles about the animals themselves. I don't think the songs -- "There's a Bird On Me", "Dressed Up", "Bein' a Pig" and "I'm an Aardvark" -- belong here. What do other folks think? -- Danny (talk) 00:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- I agree, but I think grouping the songs and sketches with live animals in them is a good idea. Either as a list or a sub-category. — Scott (talk) 00:55, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- I'd included them at the time just to make the category less bare, as a means of grouping the songs, and I specifically allowed for their inclusion in the category description. It didn't seem worth it to create a page for "The Aardvark," but the shorts undoubtedly use live animal footage (which is why I included them, not just because they were songs about animals). On the other hand, while still not enormous, it's grown a bit since, and more yet to come (the stars of The Bear, Ringo the Dog who played Pilgrim in Kermit's Swamp Years, and more, I'm sure). So they do stick out like a sore thumb. I like Scott's idea of a list. We already have "Live Animals Who Have Appeared on the Muppet Show," after all. I guess "Sesame Street Animal Films" or something? -- Andrew Leal (talk) 02:41, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- Okay. Here's Sesame Street Animal Films. It's rough, text is mostly just dull filler right now, and I'm not sure I like the way the table is (this may be a case where just three slots works better; since there's usually not a lot to say about the films which can't be said on the song pages, or it's a straightforard "Footage of pelicans" situation). And I realized there's a glaring hole, since we still don't have an image for "I'm an Aardvark" (shocking!). But I think this solves the problem, and there's definitely plenty of room for growth. Maybe add some of the test audience results on the animal films as recorded in Children and Television: Lessons from Sesame Street and so on. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 20:22, 19 November 2006 (UTC)