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I noticed we have a bunch of "character" articles that aren't individuals characters but rather types of characters (examples Anything Muppets, Whatnots, Rats, Penguins, Pigs, Frogs, Bears, Grouches, Chickens, Worms, Horses, Mice,Cows...along with our category of Muppet Monsters). I think these are great as the nameless Muppet chickens and Penguins and things are a big part of the Muppet world. These pages are great to highlight them and also link to the related individuals (the Rat page has a nice little index of Muppet Rats and Rat roles, for example). I think some kind of category to spotlight and separate these kinds of Muppet character types might be appropriate rather than just solely lumping them in with actual characters. What do others think? -- 06:07, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

That's an interesting question, o multi-numeraled one (sidenote:did you forget to log in, or have you not registered? If the latter, welcome, and it would be a good idea to do so, as it makes it easier to keep track of your edits and get to know others, to say nothing of communicating on talk pages without us having to remember if the accent goes on the 137 or the 222 when addressing you). Anyway, I have mixed feelings. I don't see any reason not to list character categories or what one might term "collective characters" as characters. Take The Honkers. At best, only three or so have actually ever had names, but they've long been an important part of Sesame Street. On the other hand, however, while I wouldn't want to remove any of these (even Whatnots and Anything Muppets, which are more easily debatable), I think a "Group Characters" category would be a great idea. Might also be a place to stick folks like The Snowths, Gawky Birds, The Gills Brothers, The Oinker Sisters, or The Board of Birds, not really specific species, but characters who generally function as a collective group character. (I've also been thinking a bit about whether a category for all the sentient objects/plants/food items might be nice, i.e. the singing food, Bunsen's inventions like the automatic wastebasket, The State of Indiana, Talking Houses, the singing cakes in Muppets Take Manhattan, the musical locks and cashboxes in The Muppet Christmas Carol, that homicidal TV from the Muppet Show, etc.) --Andrew, Aleal 06:29, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I think creating a new category is a good idea -- that would be fun! I'd also want to keep them in with Muppet Characters, since that's the catch all category. -- Danny Toughpigs 12:07, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Whoops, that was me who started this. Somehow I logged-out and didn't notice. Sorry -- BradFraggle 16:46, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Aha! I hadn't recognized your number at first. Anyway, great work with the new category, Brad, as always. And it's an encouragement as it offers a place for scattered character groups that haven't been added yet (like all those letters on Sesame Street) --Andrew, Aleal 19:32, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Too Big?

Is it just me, or is this category getting way too big? --Trogga 23:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

We like it this way. Check out the discussion on the Special:Community page... -- Danny Toughpigs 23:28, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I think its cool how big it is. It gives you a quick glance of how many Muppet characters there are (or have been). However sorting them by Muppet Show, Sesame Street, Fraggle Rock, Muppets Tonight, Mother Goose Stories, Dog City, and such is also useful and important. However decided how far to take it is important. We have most of them sorted out by TV show too. Now do we need a categories to sort the characters for each specific film and special too? Maybe. -- BradFraggle 23:34, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
But can't we use subcategories or a TOC? --Trogga 23:45, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
There already are subcategories -- that's all the stuff at the top of the page. We're trying to avoid having categories that include both articles and subcategories, because the subcats take up most of the screen, and we want people to be able to browse through the articles. -- Danny Toughpigs 23:49, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Plus, I think many of us like a huge Muppet Characters category. It's the Count von Count in us. We currently have 838 fabulous Muppet Characters! Ah ah ah! But as the current event discussion shows, even if we felt that we *had* to make it smaller, we really can't list all those show character categories as Muppet Characters. Why? Because a lot of them aren't Muppets! Doc and Bob are humans. Bernice the Pigeon is a live bird. Frisky is a cartoon character. Ned Shimmelfinney is an unseen character, never personified by voice, person, or human. And Rubber Duckie is an adorable hunk of rubber! (Not to mention characters related to specific show "universes" but who existed only in comic books, story books, etc.) Aleal 23:55, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I understand. --Trogga 23:51, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
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