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Infinity?

I heard there was talk of a sketch about the concept of infinity. Was this ever made? (If so, it must be really rare.) -- User:Kookybloo 01:44, November 18, 2009

I've never seen one... Where did you hear about it? -- Danny@fandom (talk) 06:52, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
That would be "That's About the Size of It," which has also been referred to as "Infinity." -- Andrew Leal (talk) 16:41, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
Here's some info. Should the article be moved to this title? -- MuppetDude 16:47, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
Done and done. —Scott (talk) 01:46, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Characters

There is one animated sketch in which a 0 acts as a drill sergeant giving a roll call for the numbers 1 through 20. The earliest known appearance of this sketch is Episode 0536. I wonder if all of those numbers should be tagged with an "Animated Characters" category because of this, but then I am not sure if we are listing animated Sesame Street characters unless they either interracted with the Muppets, made recurring appearances, or are from other productions, making cross-over guest appearances (like Superman or The Simpsons). I would like to list them as Animated Characters and Sesame Street Characters because of that skit, but I would like to know if they should all be given those categories (the number 0 is already listed as an Animated Character because of another skit). --Minor muppetz 03:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

No, I'd rather not call them animated characters because of an insert. -- Danny (talk) 01:20, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Not necessarily a bad idea

As they appear now, articles about individual letters or numbers rarely offer any new information. I suggest adding more details which might interest Sesame Street fans:

  1. First episode to use that entry as a sponsor, including the season when that episode originally aired.
  2. First segment (cartoon, film, or other type) to discuss that entry. If some offsite link with better information doesn't exist, then including a very brief synopsis of that segment sounds appropriate.
  3. Minor details from related sketches (For example: which foods the M ate in a cartoon about that letter, which visual theme dominated in Pinball Count #7.)
  4. Links to offsite skit transcripts and/or video clips

I'm sure that the average Sesame Street buff would appreciate a trivia page in that format; do you think a fleshed-out "sponsorship article" is worth keeping? ISNorden 18:07, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

While an interesting idea, I don't know if it's feasible right now. Once more of the episodes are filled out, it could work, but apart from the first episode, there's no effective way at present to determine what was the earliest sponsorship for a letter or number, or what was the first segment to feature it. Yeah, a lot of the number/letter pages are dull right now, but they've slowly been growing, with more images and details. A in particular is in great shape right now. Andrew Leal (talk) 18:31, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
By the way, take a look at S, which is shorter, but a fun read. It includes the early sponsorship issue, and I tossed in Wiki links to common S words for fun. An approach like that, also discussing recurrent motifs for certain numbers or letters, would work, similar to your suggestion. In general, though, I'd be wary of including sketch specific details that don't necessarily relate to the letter/number. W pummeling Kermit is interesting and good to have on the page. Pinball Number Count designs were almost never geared to the number in any way, but depictions of themes such as circuses, medieval lairs, San Francisco, etc., and such details would be more suitable to the general Pinball article. Andrew Leal (talk) 18:39, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Some of the minor details in a sketch do relate to the letter/number being taught, though. I'd put those bits in a "Did you notice?" section, either in the general-topic article or in the sketch article (if one exists). For example, here's what I might say in the "Did you notice?" section for various entries:
  1. K: In the segment "King Kenny the Kind", every item whose name begins with "K" shows that name on a conspicuous label. Even a box of "knitting" (which nobody touches or mentions) is stored among the other things.
  2. 2:In the "2 Train" animation, the cars of the train often contain paired circus animals.
Would that kind of trivia be appropriate at letter and number entries, especially when the sketches I cite lack entries of their own? ISNorden 23:10, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
No, that's not interesting for the wiki. Remember that this is a Muppet Wiki -- our main interest is in the Muppet segments. We stretch it a bit to include articles on Sesame songs and major, recurring sketches like The Typewriter, but we don't include information on the regular cartoons. -- Danny (talk) 23:29, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
The King Kenny segment that I used as an example is a Muppet segment, although the older post didn't make that clear. Kenny and his original story follow the typical Sesame Street "mock fairy tale" rules: somebody (1) loves or hates the central topic, (2) eventually has a problem related to that topic, (3)asks others for help, and (4) gets help from the last source he'd expect. In a later episode, Kenny appeared in a "Monster on the Spot" news story, with Telly reporting the king's visit to the neighborhood. (This makes him one of the few "mock fairy tale" Muppets to interact with both humans and his fellow puppets.)
As for Kenny's appearance: if my memory isn't playing tricks on me, he was built from the same AM pattern as the Count (with light brown hair and a glittery golden crown made of K's). If I only knew who performed him and when (episode numbers, where are you when I need you?), he'd be an appropriate subject for a Muppet article. --ISNorden 01:02, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
While it would be hard to determine the first episode that each letter and number sponsored, maybe we could list the seasons that debuted certain numbers. I know that 1-10 were the only numbers to sponsor the show in the first season, and starting in season 2 the numbers 11-20 started sponsoring the show, and by now the show has taught kids to count up to 40 (though I don't know what year the show expanded it's counting to any numbers higher than 20). The booklet for Songs from the Street mentions what year the show began teaching the number 0 (I don't feel like searching through it right now, but I think the year was 1986). --Minor muppetz 05:19, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, that's definitely an interesting thing. If you could figure out when they started teaching 0, and went up to 40, that would be cool. -- Danny (talk) 12:28, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I just looked through the booklet, and it stated that 1986 was the year that the show both started teaching the number 0 and started counting up to 40. I still don't know when the numbers 21-39 began being taught on the show (it could have been 1986, or it could have been anytime between 1971 and 1985). --Minor muppetz 22:48, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
The numbers 22-39 never became sponsors on Sesame Street, although some sketches (mostly Monsterpiece Theater and/or Count-centered ones) did mention them in passing.
The number 21, though, sponsored only two mid-1990s episodes. Each one had only one clip establishing the number of the day, and those were low-key compared to other specific-number clips. "Numberella" parodied "Cinderella": the ball guests were all required to wear a number, and the fairy godmother gave our heroine a NEW one that nobody in the kingdom had seen (21, of course!). "Ernie's 21 Poem" was another "sponsor with a mind of its own" sketch: Ernie wanted to recite a poem in honor of the day's number, but the Muppetized digits kept reversing themselves. He finally calms them down by changing the poem to include both 12 and 21. --ISNorden 01:02, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
According to the Number Song Series page, it seems like the first few monday episodes premiered two new segments in this series, untill all segments were shown (though the 1 segment wasn't shown untill Episode 0086). Do the CTW archives at The University of Maryland (where I assume this info comes from) state that those numbers sponsored those episodes that the skits debuted in (I've read that, although it had it's own skits, 1 didn't sponsor the show untill the 1980s)? Perhaps the individual number pages could now mention the debut episodes for the numbers 4 through 10 (looking at the pages for the first week of shows, it seems like the same letters and numbers sponsored the show throughout the week, with some shows being sponsored by less letters or numbers but still letters and/ or numbers that sponsored other epsidoes from that week). I think this might be a safe assumption. --Minor muppetz 03:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Sponsorships

Peter created the "sponsorships" headings on the Alphabet and Numbers pages, and I'm not sure it's a good idea. For one thing, it's not particularly interesting information, and I don't really see how it could connect to anything interesting. It's just a list of essentially random numbers. For another thing, it's never going to be a complete list, so it doesn't even have that going for it. For a third thing, I think it's a magnet for our more troublesome users. What do people think about taking those out? -- Danny (talk) 00:28, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I talked to Peter on the phone, and he agreed that it was okay to take the sponsorships out... -- Danny (talk) 18:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
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