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I'm requesting for this page, alongside the additional two pages, to be renamed under the respective names.
- United Parks & Resorts - So, this is what used to be named SeaWorld Parks & Entertainment, and my edits were reverted because User:Scarecroe said that Muppet Wiki isn't like Wikipedia after I asked him about it before he reverted them. However, the Wikipedia link goes over to the company's current name. I
- Sesame Street Party Parade - This one has been long overdue. This is the name given to a parade located at various United parks - namely Sesame Place Philadelphia and San Diego, and SeaWorld in Orlando and San Antonio (and formerly San Diego). The parade began being called by this name since it was added to SeaWorld San Diego and San Antonio in 2018, and it wasn't until 2022 when Sesame Place Philadelphia gained the name as well. This renaming is two years out-of-date for this wiki because the page for it still goes under the parade's former name.
- Sesame Place Philadelphia - The original Sesame Place has since been calling itself under this name ever since Sesame Place San Diego opened two years ago. I would like to request the "Sesame Place" page to be turned into a disambiguation page for those two parks, in addition to the long-gone Texas and Tokyo parks, while the page about the existing page under the Sesame Place Philadelphia name to match the San Diego one.
LTPHarry (talk) 21:29, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for getting this discussion started, Harry. As noted, Muppet Wiki doesn't typically track shifts in company ownership. But, I admit, I don't know much about this case, so I'm relying on the community to provide some input as to whether or not it's appropriate to make some changes. —Scott
(talk) 21:57, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for getting this discussion started, Harry. As noted, Muppet Wiki doesn't typically track shifts in company ownership. But, I admit, I don't know much about this case, so I'm relying on the community to provide some input as to whether or not it's appropriate to make some changes. —Scott
- Given that SeaWorld Parks & Entertainment/United Parks & Resorts continues to have Wiki relevance through the various Sesame theme parks, I think at the very least it should be noted on any relevant pages. It would a little weird to purposefully ignore it. There's a difference between detailing a company's history and keeping information updated and accurate.
- Re: "Sesame Street Party Parade": Sesame Place Philadelphia's website calls it "Sesame Street Party Parade", so I think a page move is warranted.
- Finally, I think moving "Sesame Place" to "Sesame Place Philadelphia" and using "Sesame Place" as a disambiguation is a good idea. At this point, I believe "Sesame Place" refers to the chain of theme parks. The Philadelphia theme park is referred to "Sesame Place Philadelphia" on their official website and logos. Because Sesame Place falls directly within our coverage, I think the name change is worth tracking. - Maddox (talk) 01:52, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Finally, I think moving "Sesame Place" to "Sesame Place Philadelphia" and using "Sesame Place" as a disambiguation is a good idea. At this point, I believe "Sesame Place" refers to the chain of theme parks. The Philadelphia theme park is referred to "Sesame Place Philadelphia" on their official website and logos. Because Sesame Place falls directly within our coverage, I think the name change is worth tracking. - Maddox
- Sounds reasonable to me. I unlocked the two-week editing pause on six articles associated with this topic.
- [[SeaWorld Parks & Entertainment]] is kind of a weird page to begin with (future tip, Harry, it helps if you link to the original articles you're talking about wanting to change or rename in your first post, that is in the same sentence where you say what you want to change it to, so they're connected; tables aren't needed and just get confusing). But it also shows two common issues we have. One is relevance when it comes to company name changes and mergers and such (it's defined in detail on that page), which is why the default is just to send people to Wikipedia for that history (we definitely don't track the month and year of any changes of that kind regardless). In this case, the underlying corpoarate history and name changes are all super confusing. Busch Entertainment bought SeaWorld in 1989, but then a bigger corporation bought them and renamed it SeaWorld Entertainment Inc... which is the larger owner of formerly SeaWorld Parks and Entertainment, now United Parks & Resorts. Just Wikipedia has all of that covered on their SeaWorld article.
- By that logic, it would make more sense to rename SeaWorld Entertainment Inc. if they decide to change the subsidiary brand name again. But looking at the page, in general, corporate owners of parks aren't something we would honestly make a solo page for anyway. The only reason it's there is because Busch originally owned Sesame Place from the beginning, and as a result decades later had Sesame attractions at both Busch Gardens and SeaWorld parks. The existing SeaWorld Parks & Resorts page is practically just a disambig gallery as is. Plus looking further, there's SeaWorld which covers all the parks with attractions, *and* for both the relevant Busch Gardens. So basically SeaWorld Parks & Resorts is redundant. We don't need the article or to get into who currently owns them. At most change the "owned and operated" text on those articles, but again, they're still within the larger SeaWorld Entertainment Inc., so I'd say just cut or move to a note if we want to try to explain the corporate relationship. I'm not entirely sure we need to at this point. It's in "Theme Parks" but isn't actually about a single park which doesn't already have an article. The earliest version really fails our relevance test, listing other parks they owned with no Sesame connection anyway. So rather than debating what to call it, I think we just delete it, or else convert it into a simpler "Sesame theme parks and attractions" disambig page, which is all the gallery is really good for anyway, which like a proper disambig, doesn't need editorializing or history. It hadn't been updated in a year prior to Harry's edit and didn't even include Sesame Place (Texas) (which Busch also owned, I guess because it poofed before the mergers which inspired the article's creation, or so it seems). We've had ongoing issues with some editors being more interested in mergers and corporate stuff and conglomerates than in the actual topics, to where we've had to delete a bunch of over company pages which have no real relevance or connection at all (and in many cases, didn't even buy a brand until long after its Muppet relevance, and even if they did, it's the specific brand we're more focused on). That's why Scott undid the edits and why we have the Relevance policy about corporate name changes and page moves either being avoided entirely or being discussed first. Duplication and confusing overlapping articles is something we try to avoid but it still happens. A lot of this can be fixed by just stating if anything is about a Busch Gardens or SeaWorld *actual* park, not who owns either; Sunny Day Carousel can substitute the link to SeaWorld directly, and more of the article focuses on its use at Sesame Place parks, so ownership really doesn't need to be discussed.
- Also whatever decision is made about Sesame Place, "Sesame Place Philadelphia" would need to keep clarification within the article that, well, it's not actually located in Philadelphia, but outside of it (the geographic location even on that is a bit confusing since Langhorne, PA (which our article currently lists as the location) is a borough of Bucks County but the address is also used for other parts of the township, particularly for mailing, and apparently it's actually within Middletown Township). In either case, neither is in Philadelphia (but for branding purposes, it sounds better, I imagine, than "Sesame Place Pennsylvania.") So these aren't really that simple, though the Sesame Place one can likely be handled with text adjustments and further research or some clarification from people who've actually been there.
- The street parade name thing is a lot less complicated, so yeah, that can just be moved to match what's current. -- Andrew
21:16, 19 February 2024 (UTC)