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For TV shows we've categorized characters not just by the show where they originated, but all shows they appear in. For example, Kermit the Frog is in Muppet Show Characters, Muppets Tonight Characters, and Muppets Now Characters (among others). Likewise, Elmo is in Sesame Street Characters and also in Furchester Hotel Characters.

So would it be wrong to assume Gobo Fraggle should be in Fraggle Rock Characters and Back to the Rock Characters?

I temporarily created Sandbox:Returning Fraggle Rock characters before doing any mass categorizations, but it feels like these should be added to the "Back to the Rock" characters category too. Thoughts. -- BradFraggle (talk) 16:01, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Are we sure that Cave Fraggles and Craggles are the same thing? -- Tony (talk) 16:34, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
Not 100% sure; that was added to the Cave Fraggles article a week ago. -- BradFraggle (talk) 16:43, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
I just noticed and added on to Grant's page for the Craggles, so I don't think we should count them as the same group. -- Tony (talk) 17:09, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
They seem inspired by the Cave Fraggles but there are still major differences enough to have them as a separate group. JagoAndLitefoot (talk) 17:38, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
By our established categorization, it looks like yes, Gobo et al should be in the BTTR category. It does make finding newly established characters difficult though. β€”Scott latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 21:17, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
I agree with you, Scott, hence I'm holding off rushing to move the existing characters in there right now as we build up our BTTR coverage. But I don't know if long-term we want to open up the slippery-slope of making an exception just for this one (or else we potentially have to litigate and debate each and every new show based on our personal preferences). But as Sandbox:Returning Fraggle Rock characters shows, there aren't tons that would flood the category and totally bury the new guys.
Jumping subjects slightly... not to be too overly pedantic, but are the backing members of the Troubadours supposed to be the same characters as their Minstrels counterparts (Murray, Brio, Brool β€Žand Balsam) or are they different (albeit similar looking) characters; like how Cantus and Jamdolin are similar looking but technically different characters? I know the continuity between the original series and the reboot is purposefully hazy, but I don't want us to imply a canonicity that doesn't exist. I'm not suggesting we create separate pages for their Back to the Rock versions or anything, but is this a same puppet, different character situation (or "same design, different character")? Just wonder how we should phrase references to their Back to the Rock appearances to not imply continuity that may or may not exist (i.e. "The character returned as a members of..." or "He returned having now joined a new musical group..." vs "An updated version of the puppet was used as a member of..." or "A similar-looking musician appeared as a member of..."). -- BradFraggle (talk) 16:26, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
Jamdolin and Cantus seem like two distinct characters; why would they change the name if it were meant to be the same character? The rest of the band you could call "reimagined" (I use this loosely because they were never really well defined to begin with, and aren't defined any further in the new show) versions of the old characters, like Turbo or Henchy. But if the only thing that changed really is their outfits, I think they're just more in line with Mokey - new performer, new look, same character. - Shane latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 16:32, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
I agree that the original show characters should be added to the BTTR category too if they reappear there. I also think Grizzard and Bongo should be treated as separate characters from Lizard (Fraggle Rock) and Begoony, even if they share the puppet. JagoAndLitefoot (talk) 17:37, 13 March 2022 (UTC)