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So there was some discussion on my wall in regards to some edits I put in with Caroll Spinney (possibly/likely) being in "Good Morning Starshine" and "Before and After." For the record, when putting Caroll in both pages, I didn't put him in for the sake of having him identified with a character in the respective songs; I made sure to listen to the voices over and over to get familiar with how they sounded, and then used certain skits/songs as other sources to compare and contrast of where I may have possibly heard the same type of voice. With how limited season 1 was with performers, it also helped down narrow possibilities.

Now, my honest opinion, when the Purple AM at the end of "Good Morning Starshine" says "Oh my!", it sounds a lot like Caroll to me, even if it may be brief. Also, I noticed in "Before and After," in each chorus there is a high, nasally voice which matches pretty closely to Caroll's nasal in his voice. Likewise during the dialogue at the beginning of the song, and I also noticed the Pumpkin AM has a nasally voice which sounds quite like Caroll to me (another thing to note is both puppets in that song appear to be puppetered by the same person, studying the movement carefully. I have some videos to show where I compare and contrast the voices I personally think sounds like Caroll that you can view here:

Good Morning Starshine:

Before and After:

I am always open to hearing opposing thoughts though if there are other folks here who don't believe the characters sound like Caroll. I figured I would bring this up before determining if the characters I mentioned should go on his character page/have him noted on those respective songs. MackAttack92 (talk) 20:02, September 20, 2020 (UTC)

It may be him, but I really don't see why they need to be included on the Caroll Spinney characters page; they're just voices in a chorus, not solos or individuals or anything. - Shane latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 20:29, September 20, 2020 (UTC)
I mean, the whole page is practically dedicating every song or skit his voice is heard in, regardless if they're in a blend or solo (the two Monotones that aren't Big Jeffy in MAD comes in mind). MackAttack92 (talk) 20:53, September 20, 2020 (UTC)
Why are we still talking about this? Thread:297779. There's nothing conclusively Spinney about any of this. β€”Scott latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 23:08, September 20, 2020 (UTC)
Well, you suggested I bring this up into a discussion thread on here, so..... Β―\_(ツ)_/Β― MackAttack92 (talk) 23:25, September 20, 2020 (UTC)
That was before I watched your videos which pretty clearly seem to confirm that you're relying on guesses and using the Pepe Silvia meme to back it up. β€”Scott latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 23:50, September 20, 2020 (UTC)
Alright then, I apologize for the misunderstanding. But I think it’s fair if we at least hear from other folks on here as well before removing the mentions completely. I’ll give it by tomorrow. MackAttack92 (talk) 23:57, September 20, 2020 (UTC)
No, I'm sorry but I'm shutting this down now. Being wrong by committee doesn't make it right. Again, there is nothing conclusive in either of these videos. See Muppet Wiki:Identifying Voices and Muppet Wiki:Sources. β€”Scott latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 00:02, September 21, 2020 (UTC)