Participation in the Muppet Wiki Forums requires a full understanding of the Rules and Etiquette.
The titles for the Elmo & Tango's Mysterious Mysteries episodes were mostly added by me based on what Muppet Central Forum called them. I know that's stupid, but I figured we needed to give them titles so I just went with that and didn't think much of it. In the later episodes, I instead opted to use the song lyrics in the opening "A mystery, it's so mysterious. [Title]? That's serious!" mostly because the MCF hadn't posted yet. Today, I changed them all to the song lyrics for consistency's sake, and Andrew reverted it saying "song lyrics aren't the best basis for changing segment titles".
Considering we don't know of any actual titles for these segments, any way of titling them is going to be arbitrary. I just think song lyrics is slightly better than some weird mismatch of song lyrics, MCF posts, and what users felt like calling them. Maybe we just pick the most descriptive title for each (and maybe find a way of differentiating the two "Missing Ball" segments), but right now their titles are sort of inconsistency/illogical. – Noah | (talk|activity|contribs) 01:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- The segments are apparently stand-alone viewable on some platforms, outside the US probably. Here's an AppleTV listing that uses titles. Though incomplete, a BMI listing appears to be using "Elmo's Missing Robot" for one of them, which matches what Apple lists. So those are the titles we probably should be using. - Shane
(talk) 01:57, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for starting the discussion, Noah. Explaining your original edits makes more sense than "I changed this because this was used in a song." That shouldn't be a basis for the title for anything, and it also doesn't provide anything solid for other users to go on. Any time you change titles on anything, either start a discussion, explain in a detailed way that fits our sourcing policies (scripts and on air titles and promotional titles, yes; song lyrics, no, which is also why we don't start pages for songs based on what we think the title is from lyrics, but use the screen credited or registered titles, or a compromise when it's something clunky like "Interlude Cue for Shape Segment #56."
- I agree with Shane, matching what digital platforms are using makes more sense than either fan coinage or a phrase from a song. (Checking what Elmo & Tango: Furry Friends Forever used might not hurt, but DVD chapter titles have been variable anyway). But the changes on the season pages basically didn't really help (and you didn't leave an explanation there either, so in future, people wouldn't know why you changed those titles). So please just keep all of that in mind in future. Titles and character names and dates are areas where we take particular care and need clearer communication and/or discussion before altering. Just do like you did here next time and explain the situation *before* you alter things, Noah. Thanks! -- Andrew
02:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- The S52 episodes are easy to find. The S53 episodes I think are findable, but I can't find a clear list of episodes available in the US. I did find this, which isn't itself a reliable source, but I was able to use it to reverse-engineer this, so that's one down. Also if you Ctrl+U here, the source HTML has information about "Mysterious Missing Brush". Looks like finding these titles is going to be a bit scuffed lol. – Noah | (talk|activity|contribs) 02:15, 9 September 2024 (UTC)