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Since Robin the Frog appeared in the season finale of Muppets Now, do you think it's time to add Peter Linz to the performer box? I know some might make the argument that he hasn't appeared often enough to warrant it, but Peter said in an interview that Matt Vogel personally recommended him to be Robin after he became Kermit. So if we add that as a source, would that be sufficient enough to add him to the performer box? Antsamthompson9 (talk) 22:08, September 4, 2020 (UTC)

We've discussed this recently, Anthony, and you saw all the complications involved. Interviews really have nothing to do with the box and can't be sourced there anyway. If you want to put him as a primary performer in the text, that's fine with me personally (although looking again, with only four credits so far, it really *is* better if we continue to track them for awhile). Don't make any changes to either box or text unless there's a consensus anyway, as that also caused issues last time. And really, we don't change the boxes the instance a character's fourth appearance (in this case) from a performer pops up or whatever. You do a lot of good work on Muppet Wiki, Anthony, but it might not hurt to focus less on performer boxes for awhile.
While we make final decisions case by case, I'm honestly ready to suggest we make it a firm rule that we don't even discuss it until a performer has played a character a minimum number of times, say at least six or eight, with significant speaking roles in major movies (or a regular series part covering more than six episodes as a featured speaking character) shortening it, but web videos and commercials and such aren't really sufficient; bringing up year spans as happened last time, when the total is only four to five over four years or whatever, doesn't matter. Otherwise we keep having this conversation the next time a commercial or Disney+ thing comes out. -- Andrew Emoji-drool.gifAdminsig.png 23:36, September 4, 2020 (UTC)
I'd say we need to impose some kind of umbrella rule about when to add performers to the box because I'm getting tired of all of us having to say the same things on a case-by-case basis. On the other hand, I'm sure that rule would get abused in some manner down the line. -- Shane latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 00:09, September 5, 2020 (UTC)
Given the way the boxes have attracted certain bad faith edits and overeagerness, to where admins basically have to make the changes, I don't mind the topic coming up once or twice a year. But right now it's been every few weeks. Six speaking appearances (or eight if we think that's not enough) seems a useful place to start (if it's a significant part in movies or a major series role, we could accept maybe four total credits, and we're a way off from that happening anyway). Some of the stuff under discussion has been one-liners, in which case it *really* has to happen in quantity.
Performers discussing the transition and their recommendations make no difference in terms of how long they last. Yes, these recasts have been lasting longer than they did in the nineties and the early days of Disney ownership, but it's not impossible for Linz to assume another role or Walter to be more prominent, or for Robin not to be used again for months or a year, since this all goes in cycles, and right now, well production is still shut down for most major non voice-over projects, so who knows what will happen. -- Andrew Emoji-drool.gifAdminsig.png 00:20, September 5, 2020 (UTC)
Proposal regarding required criteria for a recast performer to get a spot in the performer box:
  • Must be only performer for five years
  • Must have appeared in five unique productions
  • Must have had sgnificant dialogue (no grunts or "um"s)
Would that be satisfactory? Should we require more? Less? β€”Scott latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 03:22, September 5, 2020 (UTC)
That sounds good to me (the combination of years and numbers works). Any Uncle Deadly-style scenario which would lessen the requirements (George the Janitor *is* a major co-star in three theatrical movies! Thog gets a weekly series running six months!) is years off if it ever happens, and this should mean we won't have this conversation again for at least two years. -- Andrew Emoji-drool.gifAdminsig.png 01:21, September 6, 2020 (UTC)