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I've recently been able to go through the first two season's worth of episodes, and have revised the sandbox pages for the segment lists:
- [[Sandbox:Sesame Street Season 1 Segments]]
- [[Sandbox:Sesame Street Season 2 Segments]]
I'd like to know what your thoughts are on these pages, and how they can be improved, source citing, etc. I'd like to get some official titles for some of these inserts, if possible. (Sesamestreet.org had many of them on their video sites, which are archived on the wiki.) These lists may also be beneficial in checking which inserts do not have images yet, and which are from different production periods. An archived discussion can be found here:  -- MuppetDude (talk) 15:47, October 2, 2020 (UTC)
- There is also a page for the [[Sandbox:Sesame Street Test Shows Segments|test episodes]]. I feel that this page is already well-formatted, but could use a bit more finessing. -- MuppetDude (talk) 16:18, October 2, 2020 (UTC)
- Are these all the segments that appeared in that season, or just the segments that debuted in that season? Which would be more useful? GrantHarding (talk) 14:26, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
- The lists focus primarily on what debuted when. A full insert list (counting repeated stuff) would be way too long and repetitive, given the 50+ years worth of material. I think it's better to focus on then-new material, and what was reserved for later airings (if known). -- MuppetDude (talk) 17:16, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
For the past month or so, I'm now up to season 11. Here's what I've got so far based on the available guides. As previously mentioned, any help with production info, titles, or anything else is greatly appreciated. Much of the holdover information is based on either production observation (minor Anything Muppets appearing in multiple segments), DVD releases, guest star appearances, etc. The scripts would be the best way to confirm these, though.
Seasons: [[Sandbox:Sesame Street Season 1 Segments|1]], [[Sandbox:Sesame Street Season 2 Segments|2]], [[Sandbox:Sesame Street Season 3 Segments|3]], [[Sandbox:Sesame Street Season 4 Segments|4]], [[Sandbox:Sesame Street Season 5 Segments|5]], [[Sandbox:Sesame Street Season 6 Segments|6]], [[Sandbox:Sesame Street Season 7 Segments|7]], [[Sandbox:Sesame Street Season 8 Segments|8]], [[Sandbox:Sesame Street Season 9 Segments|9]], [[Sandbox:Sesame Street Season 10 Segments|10]] -- MuppetDude (talk) 23:50, October 25, 2020 (UTC)
- It might be a bit of work, but you could try looking at the editing history for the first edits of pages to come from scripts. In cases where they didn't know what a certain sketch was, they'd list it by how it was listed in the script until they got more information. --Minor muppetz (talk) 15:30, October 26, 2020 (UTC)
- Hmm, I'm regretting all those original sandbox pages judging by those dead links. Anyway, now that almost 40 years worth of segments have been documented so far, I've been wondering about shorts that have been made for home videos. Most have only appeared on those compilations alone, but others have appeared elsewhere. The "Don't You Go Back In" song originated for the Elmo Visits the Firehouse video but later aired on the show proper. Some of the Looky Lou bits from P Is for Princess have also been seen on Plaza Sesamo. Should these be covered by the segment lists, or is there another category they should be included in? -- MuppetDude (talk) 04:15, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- For a while I have been wondering if there should be a page listing segments that first appeared outside of the show (on home video, in specials, online, etc.). Not many showed up in specials or video first, but listing things that first appeared online could get out of hand. Of course Sesame Workshop has released a lot of clips online shortly before they debuted on the show, there's probably too many to really keep track of (and I could be underestimating us here), but I am referring to shorts that were clearly just meant to be online content that eventually got included on the show, but that could be hard to really determine. --Minor muppetz (talk) 05:26, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Now that all of the lists are up, I thought I'd ask those with access about several segments that have been confused. To start, there's about three different edits each of the "Cornfield" and "Tomato Field" films. For "Cornfield", how are they listed in the scripts for #314 and #2786 (the latter uses a Raposo instrumental and kid VO)? Likewise, how is "Tomato Field" listed in #359 (using "A Little Bit") and #1454 (with a Raposo instrumental track and kid VO)? And does anyone know when they started being used? -- Tony (talk) 22:27, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
What do all the references to "holdover from season x" mean? For example, on Season 7 segments, it says the Cracks segment is a holdover from season 6. Is this implying that the segment was meant for season 6? How is that known? Ditto for other similar notations. —Scott (talk) 16:12, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's for segments produced during one season but not aired until the next (though I don't think I put in any of those). I do wonder about some sources, but some of them are known to be listed in scripts and such as being from that season (a video upload of Cracks has one of those reference numbers before it starts), many segments listed in the first season show content at CTW Archives didn't air until the second season, some segments have been released on DVD listed as being from one season while they actually first aired the next (which could be an error in some cases), taping dates would contradict the season it aired (though I don't know of any examples where the taping date was a year or two off from broadcast), etc. --Minor muppetz (talk) 16:47, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- I'm for that. Guille had supplied some as he went through the last of the scripts-turned-to-guides. He also supplied several of the titles given in the scripts, and most have come from the former Sesamestreet.org video player.
Segment lists 2.0: The Continuing Saga
I thought I'd bump this thread again to discuss how we can improve the segment pages now that all of the shows (except for one) have full segment lists.
Scott brought to my attention the misleading text that reads "Full list of segments that first appeared during season # of Sesame Street". While this is true I believe that the pages should also cover segments that were made during those seasons, but weren't aired until a later period of time. (Likewise, existing segments that were altered in some significant way, such as adding or replacing voiceover, and music/vocal revisions like "My Outer Space Friend" and "We Are All Monsters", are also covered.)
Most of the scripts (from the "trusted sources") do reference the production period that inserts were made, while other sources include DVD releases, production documents, and short-lived references to production periods when some clips were initially uploaded on Hulu and YouTube. (I have documentation for the latter, which I have used several times when making the lists.) Recently I have also been scouring through the update logs of the guides when scripts were the original source for them, and I'm currently compiling as many segment titles as I can for further revise the pages. As stated before, there is room for improvement for these pages and I'd like to know what everybody's thoughts are about these decisions, and how citations for such information should be documented. -- Tony (talk) 23:38, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- The YouTube uploads had the dates listed at some point? All I recall is that for the last few years, their old school clips tend to list a decade ("'60s old school", "'70s old school", etc.), not a specific year or season. --Minor muppetz (talk) 02:46, 15 August 2021 (UTC)