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More to follow at a later time... [[User:David French|David French]] ([[User talk:David French|talk]]) 21:18, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 
More to follow at a later time... [[User:David French|David French]] ([[User talk:David French|talk]]) 21:18, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
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:Going by the sources cited on [[List of The Muppet Show episodes]], we seem to have been using "UK date" as the umbrella term for all of the United Kingdom when, in fact, it's just as inaccurate as if we were saying that the NYC dates are the definitive dates for all of the US.
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:Indeed, just as ''The Muppet Show'' had different broadcast dates and orders in NYC, Los Angeles, Nashville, and Chicago (etc.), the same stands to reason for London, Cardiff, Edinburgh, etc.
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:An expanded list of broadcast dates and release order for episodes of ''The Muppet Show'' is long overdo. And, as you pointed out David, with the advent of newspaper databases much more easily accessible these days, it's much more possible to investigate than in years past.
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:So, I'm all in favor of locking down more accurate dates for regions around the world. I think we should sandbox it and treat dates as the "earliest so far found" using a similar policy as we have with [[Muppet Wiki:Earliest Known Appearance]]. β€”[[User:Scarecroe|Scott]] <span class="plainlinks">[https://muppet.fandom.com/wiki/Muppet_Wiki:Admins https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/muppet/images/8/89/Adminsig.png/revision/latest?cb=20200820192427]</span> <small>([[User_talk:Scarecroe|talk]])</small> 22:39, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

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I originally posted this on Muppet Central, and I'm posting it here as well.

I've been doing some research this past week on the UK airdates of 'The Muppet Show' courtesy of some Scottish newspapers that are available for viewing through Google. What I've discovered is that some of our ideas as to what happened back then are completely wrong, while others have thrown up mysteries to be solved.

First of all, it looks like most of the ITV regions took TMS on the same day (Sunday) as ATV (though not always at the same time) and in the same order. The exception to this is LWT (London Weekend Television) which didn't take the series until late October (it started early September in the other regions.)

Now this is where the mysteries begin; the listings I have been looking are for one of the Scottish channels - STV. STV has the Bruce Forsyth episode as the last of season one. However, if that's right then STV (and some of the other regions) only aired 21 out of 24 episodes; the missing three are Ethel Merman, Connie Stevens and Vincent Price. To confuse matters, someone has found the dates for the UK airings and posted them on the Wikipedia article "List of the Muppet Show Episodes" and the above three episodes are listed in the Guardian (London paper) as airing in February 1977. It had originally been thought that those last three aired in April after a series of reruns aired between January and April 1977. In fact, the reruns aired in April 1977 after the Easter weekend; on Easter Sunday 1977 the ITV regions list a one-hour programme called Best of the Muppets which is billed as being a compilation featuring Rita Moreno and Ethel Merman. I've heard of this, but have no idea as to what it was - was this a compilation of different clips or just those two episodes repeated one after the other?

[Just to clarify this section - the three 'missing' episodes aired in April 1977; for those regions that (maybe) didn't air them the first time around, they were still billed as repeats.]

More to follow at a later time... David French (talk) 21:18, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Going by the sources cited on List of The Muppet Show episodes, we seem to have been using "UK date" as the umbrella term for all of the United Kingdom when, in fact, it's just as inaccurate as if we were saying that the NYC dates are the definitive dates for all of the US.
Indeed, just as The Muppet Show had different broadcast dates and orders in NYC, Los Angeles, Nashville, and Chicago (etc.), the same stands to reason for London, Cardiff, Edinburgh, etc.
An expanded list of broadcast dates and release order for episodes of The Muppet Show is long overdo. And, as you pointed out David, with the advent of newspaper databases much more easily accessible these days, it's much more possible to investigate than in years past.
So, I'm all in favor of locking down more accurate dates for regions around the world. I think we should sandbox it and treat dates as the "earliest so far found" using a similar policy as we have with Muppet Wiki:Earliest Known Appearance. β€”Scott latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 22:39, 28 February 2021 (UTC)