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The page Sandbox:Frank Oz characters saying "Yuccha!" was started back in July 2022. Is there a source for the spelling "yuccha"? The Disney+ captions write it as "yucka." There's the plant "yucca" and some people with the surname "Yuccha," but otherwise I can't find any use of the term "yuccha" out there. If this is even a phrase worth tracking the use of, how should we spell it? -- BradFraggle (talk) 19:41, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- Not Frank's, but the script for the Global Grover segment in Episode 4043 spells Grover's line as "yucha." I don't find any matches for "yucka" or variations.
- Frank coming in to using it through his characters wouldn't very likely have an official spelling anyway. It's something that would develop while performing rather than being established on the written page.
- Likewise, I don't think it's reasonable to cite subtitles as a credible source either. There's not a lot of thought that goes into those and they're often done years and decades later by low-on-the-totem-pole staff. —Scott
(talk) 17:52, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, we won't find a standard spelling for what was basically an ad-lib that was reused (and subtitles were added later and are known to include errors). At most, we could include a small text footnote, citation style, if we think the spelling matters enough to note that it's just based on sound. There's seven instances so far, so that *could* be enough for a running gag if we work out the page.
- Or since it's more of a throwaway word that gradually became a semi inside joke, just add it to Repeated phrases with a slightly longer note explaining it than usual? Some of the items there on "various" are a bit questionable anyway. ("Why me?" is a common phrase especially in comedy, without particular Muppet significance.) Regardless of the approach, I agree with Scott, fretting about spelling, subtitles, and a citation tag isn't necessary. At the most, that mild qualifier that it's simply a way of writing a sound which can never be represented consistently. -- Andrew
18:17, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
- Or since it's more of a throwaway word that gradually became a semi inside joke, just add it to Repeated phrases with a slightly longer note explaining it than usual? Some of the items there on "various" are a bit questionable anyway. ("Why me?" is a common phrase especially in comedy, without particular Muppet significance.) Regardless of the approach, I agree with Scott, fretting about spelling, subtitles, and a citation tag isn't necessary. At the most, that mild qualifier that it's simply a way of writing a sound which can never be represented consistently. -- Andrew
- I figured there wouldn't be a standard spelling as it is a non-standard word, but we atleast have some sort of source for "yucka" and "yucha" (even if not the best sources) but there doesn't seem to be anything to support "yuccha" as a spelling. -- BradFraggle (talk) 19:54, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
- As for the spelling used here, I think "yuccha" is appropriate. I'd have to go through and listen to them all again to be sure, but part of what makes them special to Frank's performance (and notable to track), is his tendency to roll the middle consonant sound in the back of his throat rather than the hard sound represented by "ck" in yucka. —Scott (talk) 19:55, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
- As for the spelling used here, I think "yuccha" is appropriate. I'd have to go through and listen to them all again to be sure, but part of what makes them special to Frank's performance (and notable to track), is his tendency to roll the middle consonant sound in the back of his throat rather than the hard sound represented by "ck" in yucka. —Scott
- Yeah, the bronchial sound (and thus why a lot of descriptions of coughs when transcribed orally or even actual words, i.e. "ichtyhology" and many German back of the throat words use "ch" or "cch" and not a k). I'm fine with the spelling, however we want to track this. I suggested a note "that it's just based on sound." But using a later non Frank Oz performed script and a subtitle aren't better sources in this case. It's not a character name or something likely to be passed down all over, but again, if you're really worried about that, we could have that short qualifier/disclaimer in small text. -- Andrew
20:36, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, the bronchial sound (and thus why a lot of descriptions of coughs when transcribed orally or even actual words, i.e. "ichtyhology" and many German back of the throat words use "ch" or "cch" and not a k). I'm fine with the spelling, however we want to track this. I suggested a note "that it's just based on sound." But using a later non Frank Oz performed script and a subtitle aren't better sources in this case. It's not a character name or something likely to be passed down all over, but again, if you're really worried about that, we could have that short qualifier/disclaimer in small text. -- Andrew