Hi A.J. In specific reference to this edit from yesterday, we have a note on galleries in the Images section of our Policies and Guidelines page; which we added mostly in response to one of our blocked users who used to upload hordes of images at once. Image galleries are rather excessive and don't tend to add anything to an existing page.
You also seem to be having trouble with formatting. In infoboxes like the character template, the image field only needs the filename (e.g. example.jpg) and no other code. I'd recommend looking at our Style Guide and Templates to further familiarize yourself. Thanks.
Sorry but even after looking over your image section I’m still not getting it. I should probably mention I’m autistic and can barely understand things. When i create a better image for a character’s info box can’t I just leave a message with it saying what it’s for? And as for the gallery I did for the Lily creature, couldn’t you guys have just deleted the ones you thought were much and leave the ones that show him full view? Ya know how hard it is to pause a video on the exact frame you want?
One more thing, you know most of those pictures i posted for characters from the first season of The Animal Show? I screen captured them from Hulu, but now I can’t seem to do that anymore. Not even with Netflix and Amazon Prime. For example, I’ve tried to get a screen capture of Colleen Barker in the Dog City TV series on Amazon Prime, but when i pasted my screen capture on bit image, the video stream was all black. But with youtube and other video sites I’m fine with. Why is that?
Hi, A.J. In the future, if there are options you'd like to discuss with the community about what to include in an article, please use the Forum. A list of items like the one you added here isn't appropriate. Articles shouldn't look like workspaces, but you're welcome to use the sandbox for testing. Thanks!
Hi -- The three pictures that you uploaded today aren't good enough quality for the site. They're far too dark, and too brown -- you can't see anything in them.
I know that Andrew has talked to you a lot about the quality of your images. Since you aren't able to take decent-quality pictures, I'm going to ask you to stop trying to add images to the site. Please reply and let me know that you got this message.
I hear ya, But it ain't my fault, that's how they look in the movie. I was going to put up pics for the pirate versions of Mudwell & Beggooney, could you give me a chance on them at least?What about the other pictures I've posted for some Muppets?
Apple, Clive the Kiwi, Daffodil, Ditz, Gillis Fraggle, Swifty, etc.
The one for the Undertaker doesn't look that bad, does it?
Yeah, those three look pretty bad. But you're right -- I was looking at the ones that Andrew was talking about a month ago, and then these, and I didn't realize that your pictures had gotten a lot better. You're right -- Clive the Kiwi, Gillis Fraggle and Swifty the Cheetah look really nice, much better than the ones that were there before. I apologize; I was kind of over-reacting.
Maybe I could help with the Treasure Island pirates? I know how to edit pictures a bit; I'll see what I can do...
Hi! A few tips on pictures. One, our preferred size is 300px, and that's what they should be on the page unless absolutely no larger image could be found of the subject, period. Two, the picture *has* to be better quality than what it's replacing, or if added to an existing pic, it can't look too similar if it's low quality (as with Hilda). A color pic on Betsy Bird would be nice, but it's too fuzzy.
Pictures also belong below the performer box, and there's limited space on short pages for more pics. The Big Bad Wolf pic is nice quality, so for now I'm putting it in a gallery. If you ever really want to put forth an argument about why one picture would work better on a given page than another, use the forum space at the bottom of each page where it says "Discuss" and start a topic (or use the talk pages if you have problems with the forums). Thanks!
Hi again. What are you using to get your pictures from? The addition to Cotterpin Doozer was also really fuzzy. *Please* respond here so we know you've read and understand these messages. This is a final warning, since otherwise we'll assume you're deliberately ignoring messages from administrators and thus have no interest in cooperating on the Wiki (in which case you will be blocked).
Sorry I didn't respond to your messages sooner. I wasn't trying to ignore you on purpose I just got caught up with what I was doing and I accidently deleted all my emails. You said something about my pictures being fuzzy? Have you gone through every photo of every Muppet on this site? I have and alot of them really need good shots of them. And what about Foo-Foo, she's a mini poodle, she's always fuzzy. The pictures I took for these Muppets were the best I could do. I worked really hard on them and I was didappointed that some of them were taken down. I had no idea that that could happen. I'm pretty new at this, I just signed up that weeked because I wanted to contribute something of the Muppets myself. You see I just love the Muppets so much and I felt that even the ones who have been forgotten or overlooked by people deserved pictures of themselves that were just as good as the ones for the more famous characters. That's why I was really disappointed that you had me blocked without giving me some time to look at the messages you left me. I hope we can get this misunderstanding sorted out and hopefully return the pictures I made back up to the Muppets profiles. Please tell me exactly what the problem you have with my pictures is and how I can make them better.
Thanks for responding! The fact that you had multiple chances and hadn't responded at all was the reason for the block (and messages on the wall show up in the edit history, and there's a red spot on the top, and you still kept editing after the last warning). So that does look like we're being ignored (as I said, communication is vital and we do consider that first priority, and there was a more than nineteen hour period, and an additional two hours after the last warning; see Muppet Wiki:Block and revert guidelines).
First, it's not a matter of a character being fuzzy, it's quality of the picture. Whatv are you using for your screengrabs? Are you copying from YouTube or from Windows Media Player? Not every picture we have is brilliant, but in some cases they're the best we have, in other cases they haven't been improved yet. The picture you added of Cotterpin Doozer, for example, had obvious lines, pixillization, and was just plain not as clear or easy on the eyes as File:Cotterpindoozer.jpg. :File:Betsy_Bird.png is obviously blurry: the wings, the face, so heavily pixillated (compare to File:505_betsy_uk.jpg and you can see the quality difference; the black and white picture currently on Betsy Bird is better). :File:Hilda.png is out of focus, lighting seems off, and again just bad quality compared to File:119-4.jpg, which is crisper, clearer, you can even see the texture of the puppet. At 600 pixels, you can see some TV-style digital lines on edges, but it's still clearly the better picture of the two (in nearly the same pose) and when reduced to our normal 300px, it looks perfect.
Image:Foo-Foo.png looks stretched (whatever player you're using, you might check the options for aspect ratio and select the option to keep the original aspect ratio, or select the one appropriate to what you're viewing there are different specs depending on widescreen movies, pan-and scan, TV, etc. and that can get complicated, so feel free to ask myself or User:Scarecroe for help; that's a common problem I've had myself, and often a screengrab won't even look the same compared to the viewer you're using). It's also, as I said, fuzzy. I mean out of focus, blurry, the white all blends in too much, and it sort of looks as if it may have been a smaller image which was blown up. I could go on, but I hope that made it clear. If the picture is clearly worse than the current pictures, the article is image heavy or short of text, and there's no compelling reason for the image (it's not a rare shot from an obscure special or something like that, where getting an image at all is an accomplishment), it will typically be removed. Just look at the page and ask, objectively, "Is my picture better, visually? If it isn't, can I improve it? Can I ask someone else to help improve it? If you think some pages have truly sub quality images, you can add them to Images Wanted, again assuming it's actually of a project on DVD or otherwise accessible to our users. Unless you mean the Sesame Street episode guides, where quality is limited to what our users can tape, I'm not really sure which images you're referring to.
In a few cases, per edit summary, it had less to do with the image itself (though a few needed cropping) than the fact that the specific pages were too crowded and had no room for more images (we're having site-wide issues in fact due to the switchover to Darwin skin, with change in width and text size meaning that pages often are shorter than they once were in terms of content, so too many extra pictures look sloppy). I took pains to keep one of the best images you uploaded, for The Big Bad Wolf (Muppet Classic Theater), moving it to a gallery, but there's not enough text so it really doesn't look right. One page per relatively minor character for a very short page like that is the standard, and if you really feel more are needed, it helps if it shows something radically different or noteworthy (the character in disguise or something), if you explain first on the talk page or forums, or if the page itself is expanded. Take a look at Marty Feldman and the edit history; a gallery was plunked in the middle of the page and looked awkward, so I moved it below the main page, while also expanding the text to fit. There probably isn't enough to say about the Big Bad Wolf in this case, but whenever there is, try it. Plus it improves article quality period.
As a general tip, the edit summary whenever you notice something is changed, and it's best that if you disagree with the undoing, you discuss it with the other editor first or at least leave your own explanation in the edit summary). I know it can be frustrating, but that's part of working on a Wiki. It's a group effort towards a better whole, and often a favorite page, image or sentence will be scrapped because either the majority dislikes it or it just plain doesn't work. That's also why we lay such value on discussion and communication.
That's one reason I wanted to know how you're obtaining your images, so we can help you. For the rest, please read the earlier messages for general guidelines. Picture size on page should be 300px, unless it's an extremely rare image (something not on DVD, taken from a newspaper article scan or a trade VHS or the like) and you absolutely cannot find anything larger. We used to discourage pictures larger than 300px period, but now we just don't want them larger or smaller than that on the page itself (see Muppet_Wiki:Style_Guide#Extras; .jpg is the preferred format, but the image quality itself was the issue.)
Images never should be placed on the left side or at the end of a sentence or in the middle of an article, so that will always be reverted. They can go below existing images, below the performer template (for a new character), or below a heading for long articles with multiple sections (see China for an example). If there is no room, then as I said, the image isn't needed right now, or you can expand the page. We try to limit galleries but on occasion we use them, especially if it demonstrates something specific (a means of merging multiple pages, to show different skits or segments in a special when a table wouldn't work, or to demonstrate something specific like Miss Piggy's Fame). We're still cleaning up extraneous galleries on a lot of pages, so if you see a bunch of images dumped in a gallery at random, that's not something we're encouraging; it's a mess that hasn't been straightened yet, or an administrator or other veteran user hasn't noticed it at all yet.
I know that seems like a lot of homework (after seven years, we've developed a lot of guidelines and rules based on trial and error, what works and what doesn't), but also don't be afraid to ask questions. As I said, if we know you're reading our messages, responding, and trying to communicate and cooperate, we try to be as patient as possible. Sorry for the frustration and thanks! I know I left a long message, so respond whenever you can (I wanted to make sure you understood). I have rehearsals the next few nights so may not always be online myself, but you can see a list of our administrators near the top of the article here (looking at recent changes and seeing who has been active most recently is often a good idea). Thanks!
Not sure if I fully understand what you are trying to tell me, but to answer your question on the pictures, here’s how I got them. My therapist showed me this computer feature that copies whatever is on the screen. I decided to use it for my Muppet list. When I found out about Muppet wiki, I decided to put together a list of all the Muppets. I went through the entire character list, copied the best pics of Muppets I could find, and pasted them on Microsoft documents. Sometimes I’ve had to replace some pics or add new characters or re-categorize some, you wouldn’t believe how many times I’ve had to re-print pages. Anyways, I figured I could get some good pictures through my Muppet DVDs. I have all 12 movies and the box sets for Fraggle Rock and The Muppet Show. I pop a DVD into my computer, find a specific Muppet, play the scene, wait for it to get into a good shot (I prefer full body), hit “ctrl” and “prt scrn/sys rq” to copy the scene, paste it in ‘Image Painter’, shrink to around the desired character, & save it on my desktop to be uploaded onto Muppet wiki. I got the Mummy from Hulu, Betsy Bird & Foo-Foo from Youtube (because I don’t have season 5 on DVD or 4, and the remaining pictures I got from my DVDs. I kinda get what you mean by fuzzy and pixaled because I took them as the characters were moving. I tried them when I paused the scene, but they didn’t look right though I suppose I could try again. The pics I posted were the best I could do. If my pictures really have to be at a certain standard, is there anyway we can work something out where you can judge my pictures before I post them.
Hi! Sorry for the delayed response, AJ (busy couple of weeks, and mostly just on the Wiki briefly). Thanks for the explanation! Yeah, YouTube isn't always the best source (and explains Betsy Bird and Foofoo; it also looks like you may have tried to take them at full screen or a larger width).
Take a look at Images Wanted. If you think a character's image on a page needs improvement (explain why), you can list it there, or better, start a discussion below. For Betsy Bird for example, the episode in question has been released on DVD (as part of the Time-Life set), so some of our users (like Scott, another admin and one of our best image wizards, really) can access it if you ask (keeping in mind, as always, it may take awhile to both find the DVD and we all have other things going on in life).
For your DVD grabs, Scott may need to give you more specific advice, since I have no idea what specific player you're using to view the DVDs (Windows Media Player, or what). Programs like VLC Player, with a specific screengrab option, usually work better since it avoids the issue of getting an image midframe and blurred. Otherwise you definitely have to pause it first and do your best to try to get the moment you want; it's trial and error, helped if your player lets you slow down play or if it has a tool to allow for a slow frame by frame advance, when it's basically paused otherwise. PowerDVD and a few others had that, Windows Media Player doesn't. I don't right now so I have to do the slow method.
So yes, we do have specific image standards (as I said, just compare the images to what's already on the page, and that usually reveals the issue). *But* you can definitely just upload the images first and park them somewhere (on your own page, on my talk page, on the character's forum page) and ask what administrators (and other users) think. That's highly recommended and I'm glad you thought of it. It sounds like you're starting to get the hang of things.
Finally, remember, any change to an edit or removal/replacement of a picture is not a personal judgement (on you or the character), just part of the process of give and take when a large community of editors (and a smaller group of admins trying to monitor things) is working to create an encyclopedia (so our standards are higher than if it was just a personal fan page). Your user page, however, is your space to personalize, so any favorite pics can go there.