Not necessarily the ones that are clones of Wilkins ads but rather standalone ads, vaguely related “counterparts”, or ones that may or may not have a Wilkins counterpart (found counterparts for that matter).
For instance, we could add a note about it at the beginning of the page and then add a separate section to the page featuring transcripts like the Dugan’s ad “Kneading” or the “Step Right This Way” ad for Community Coffee.
Figured it’d be the least we can do because there’s still no clear-cut evidence of an official Wilkins “Bank Robber” ad
If you want to start a separate page, go ahead, but do it in sandbox first. If we think it would work better merged with the existing page, we can do that later, but it would be less confusing to start out as its own project. (And it's been pointed out there is a Wilkins storyboard for a bank robber spot, which may or may not have been shot).
Thank you for fixing that up. I greatly apologize that my wording wasn’t the best when I wrote that cause even I’ll admit, I was actually struggling to really figure out how to word it (I just felt the mention of his name origination really needed to be tweeked up a bit), but in the end, you certainly helped fix it for me. Thanks again!
I thought you might have the knowledge to figure this out.
re: the closing scene of Episode 2076; you can get the gist of the scene from there (or the docs), but Oscar responds to Bob's challenge with "You're on, Dennis." Do you know what that's in reference too?
While it could be a reference based on the hat (only because Bob's wearing what looks like it could be a kid's baseball cap; Dennis the Menace wasn't generally hatted), it seems like another of Oscar's nicknames just to tweak the non-grouchy, in this case a "nice" sounding name (if context were different, I might think it was actually a reference to singer Dennis Day, who was an Irish tenor, but that just looks like coincidence.) But both the Menace and Day basically had wacky but harmless (and wholesome) personae. That's what seems most probable anyway.
And I don't just think "since we've got a page for it, why not link to it" (which can obviously lead to linkage overkill), but I do believe that these links are actually quite helpful; at least for wiki users who do not necessarily know that going through a linked image is an option to reach another page with more info.
At the time, it was a redlink and only the single translation (publishers of only one title don't get pages). That's all (part of my routine clean-up, mostly related to Wanted Pages, since due to assorted problems from Fandom, is limited to 1,000 entries and can't be filtered out). So it was originally a "We don't have a page and I don't think we will" situation (which in all cases is subject to change if someone can actually populate it) and no further info being offered. You filled it in, so yay!
EDIT: And in fact that link is *still* wrong anyway, because it lacked a dash. So I had to change it again.
Just wondering if the 'First' for the 'revised version' of #10 segment in the Numerosity series should be Episode 0021 or Episode 0491. I think this was the change where '10 bells' replaced '10 little Indians' as one of the features of the segment. Thanks in advance.'
We don't generally track ekas where an edit or substitution were first made on the episode pages. So don't bother with those. Or start a forum thread if you think it needs more discussion in this case. Thanks
Right. But apart from 0491 not having an eka, it really looks to me like all of them point back to the debut, and replacing one brief bit doesn't change much (compared to when it's completely new footage for a song, as happened a few times with the animal songs). So I'm not really sure it's even necessary.
OK, Andrew, thanks. So, should 0021 be the First episode for all instances of the Numerosity segment for #10, then, since the change did not affect the entire segment per se? Just wondering. As you can see, I started a thread about this for the entire Wiki community as well.
Yeah, the stuff you list, slight edits and music changes, fits with my first response, we don't really need to track the first episode to use that change. As far as I can tell it seems like there's exactly one episode page (0491) that needs changing, unless there actually *are* episodes using 491 as an eka (and it seems more like that was just your proposal).
Sounds potentially worthwhile (as long as we keep guessers out). Caveat though, even from the trusted source, the Ken Snyder stuff is mixed up in several spots (listing Casey Kasem for a spot where it's clearly not him, and omitting him for one where he is; listing Susan Davis, who I'm working on a page for since I have on-camera footage and she dubbed Pippi Longstocking around the same time, for segments with only adult male voices). The named actors check out, just not always in the places where they're listed.
So just like we've been doing with the episodic actors, we need to listen to the actual segments (Casey Kasem is recognizable, while for some of the others, at least determining if it's male or female helps; IDing Gene Moss as the guru was easy since it's the exact same voice he used as the old prospector in a Mathnet episode, and that's also on YouTube). Ralph Meeker (star of film noirs in the forties) did two Hubley pieces, one solo and one (S for Snake) with another voice Joshua Shelley (another case where I know the actor by name and face, but not voice), and I'm still trying to suss out which is him (may consult some film noir expert friends, or just look up his later appearance in a Kolchak TV movie).
Not surprisingly, some of the names that don't show up on IMDb are relatives or employees of the studio (Geraldine Frerks worked for Imagination, Inc.) Cartoon voice people who don't have pages yet (and did only one or two segments) but would be worth tracking if more comes along include Peter Fernandez (1) and Corrinne Orr (2) of Speed Racer, Lionel Wilson (1) who was Tom Terrific and later Eustace on Courage the Cowardly Dog, Hetty Galen (1, Susie Pincushion in the animated Raggedy Ann and Andy). I've mostly been avoiding solo pages if they only did one segment unless they can count as a celebrity (Jack Gilford does). Three or more makes decent pages, two sort of case by case, increased if it's pretty likely they did more from that studio we haven't found (Bob McFadden probably will get a page since one of the two is "Mad Goat Song," though Derek Lamb himself sings the song, and he did a ton for Rankin/Bass).
So the Sandbox could also help park short "So and so did this" notes (or "director/composer/staffer doing voice") for future use or information, when relevant. Maybe for those specific "Two names listed, not sure which is which yet," video links or such *would* be appropriate, but only in those instances to avoid mass guessing or other users sticking in "Who do you think this voice is? I think it's Chevy Chase!" kind of stuff.
Not a lot there yet and may want to play with the format. I'm only including role identifications that match the clip or where there's a clear "one's a male voice, one's female, one's an actual child" sort of scenarios.
Yeah, unlike the Snyder stuff I'm sorting out, that's probably right. I'll give it another listen when I get time (it may have been simply misplacement, now that we've pinpointed a bunch of Mona Marshall segment; her resume, from an older version of her then-agency, just listed "various speaking and singing" for Sesame). The DeMaios did stage stuff in New York state but outside the city (i.e. Nyack) so no real voice reference for them. But in general, including their stuff for Reading Rainbow, I've since found out the Davises used NY-region talent, so it fits; that's not as big a deal now but location mattered for most of the animation outfits then (John Korty and Imagination Inc. used San Francisco people, for example).
Hey, Andrew! After seeing your edit summary for when you created Rick Cimino, I hopped onto FamilySearch and added dates here after finding him in the CA Death Index. As definite confirmation, though, I found a couple obits for him afterwards:
(Dunno if you have a Newspapers.com subscription, but if you don't, both pages have clippings -- from users for other obits and articles -- as well, which means if you click through them, you can see the whole page without a subscription.)
OK, Andrew, just wondered. I just wanted to be on the 'safe' side and ask others (esp. admins) before - or immediately after - making a change to see if it's in the 'realm' of acceptable, Thanks for replying.
I noticed that you took out a lot of descriptive colors from my recent additions of Muppet Babies clothes. I learned a lot in the past couple of years in terms of how much people with vision disabilities do appreciate these kinds of descriptions that might otherwise seem unnessessary or redundant to the seeing.
I guess I'll be fine if the characters' pages HAVE to be shortened and therefore lose that descriptive info, but thought that it was even of value BECAUSE I was later differentiating between original and reboot designs.
So, I wasn't just trying to fill up the page, but really tried to make a difference in keeping the visually impaired in mind - some of which have actually browsed this wiki. Just wanted to have that out there, since us folks of privilege might not always be privy to "looking" at things differently.
Hi, Julian! I love your expansions to those pages in general. You may have missed this but we have this as a regular problem with users on Sesame Street pages (and sometimes elsewhere). They constantly want to describe every single thing in an image, especially title cards and logos, and we've been weeding that out from the beginning.
I appreciate the thought on visual disabilities but I think that's a broader discussion worth having, rather than just doing on those specific pages (which are also the kind that attract our problem users, the too young, and the obsessive). But then we need to decide how to do it if we do, rather than just what seem like random "this is red" or "he is wearing shoes" sentences, which is exactly the kind of edit the aforementioned editors like to make.
So it's not just privilege but an ongoing housekeeping issue. I think what we'd have to do, if we assume say a text to speech device is being used for the visually impaired, is create different descriptive versions or even the equivalent of a language wiki (that might be possible), since every page would really need that treatment for every image and character to actually be helpful (all book pages would need "Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie are walking a dog on the cover" and so on). If it's just for the color blind, that too would probably need to be handled differently (maybe even incorporated on the chart). Plus for instances like Baby Bunsen, the coloring varies for his nightgown even on the page itself.
[Edited because I kissed you instead of missed you.]
But losing the sentence "The reboot changes his diapers" on the li'l pup's page was... unfortunate. I knew that "exchanges" shoulda been used, but it's not often that I try my rusty language skills at humor! ;-P
Can you now please block the user Tinyirnfist0? The message he or she has added on the previous message wall in the mean time is exactly the kind of hassle i was talking about.
The allegation that the tradition is only 170 years old is also incorrect, the tradition has a longer history of which the exact start date is unknown. The same applies for the character Black Pete: it is much older than 170 years and the exact start date for Black Pete is also unknown.
What Scott said, and what I keep telling both of you. If you want to argue with each other, do it somewhere else, not on Muppet Wiki. And if a thread is closed or removed, it's to prevent this kind of personal user disagreement. Don't bring it up on my or his wall again (this applies to both of you).