VaudevilleEdit

Stage hooks!! —Scott (contact) 03:15, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

Wow! I wish I'd thought of it. And now that it's there, I *know* there's many other examples waiting to be added. Yaaaaaay! -- Andrew Leal (talk) 03:17, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
Ditto me too. That is BRILLIANT!! Scott is my hero today! -- Nate (talk) 15:33, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

A hankering for peanut butter and bannanas?Edit

I thought you of all people might get a kick out of this. I finally had enough instances to get Graceland on here. -- Nate (talk) 19:41, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Page RenamingEdit

Well Aleal, the credits for the Dinosaurs episode "Georgie Must Die" stated that the name for Ed Asner used was Edward Asner. Besides, the Wikipedia link redirects Ed Asner to Edward Asner. Off topic of this, I have been going around looking for the puppets that were used in the Puppet Up! series and adding them to the page that lists them. Rtkat3 (talk) 5:09, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

Arthur, you're *NOT* listening to what we tell you. I told you that the problem was that you decided to cut and paste text, from one page to a redirect, thus destroying the main history of the article. The rename was fine, but you don't do it that way, on ANY Wiki (and we never use Wikipedia links as our rule for how we do things). And you're *still* not replying to discussions on the pages where they've started. If I start a discussion on your page, one responds there. That way we keep the discussion threaded. We also put new topics at the top. We've TOLD you this. I know once you complained that other Wikis don't do this, but that's the policy here. And so far you've shown no inclination to bother with the policies here *or* with what other users are trying to do. It's really grown incredibly frustrating. We've often had to leave the same edit summary three times to explain to you why you shouldn't keep reverting something. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 21:13, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

Closing signs Edit

Can you please upload the screenshots of the closing signs for episodes 56, 115, 123, 1257, 1261, and 1285? Thanks! -- Drillbit Taylor (talk) 02:00pm, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Cartoon QuestionEdit

Hey, when you get a chance, can you tell me what the openings for Episode 0056 and Episode 0123 are? The suspense is killing me! -- Ken (talk) 04:09, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Hi! Well, the way the sampling worked out (with only four first season episodes, all scattered apart), they're *all* the same clay-animated arch opening. Although I do have a surprise for you from 56. It has the "In Color" notice at the beginning! See below. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 16:44, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
Wow! Now I'm wondering if they used the arch one every day in the first season. The earliest one we know of that's not that one is 131. I wish Noggin hadn't cut them off. If they cut them off, how do we know the number? I guess the people who taped them back then got the information from Noggin when they showed them.
The other thing I'm wondering about is if the In Color bumper is a Workshop thing or an NET thing. I know CBS, NBC and ABC had network color bumpers, but then again, I've seen a bumper for The Brady Bunch that had a picture of the family, the title logo, and "IN COLOR" also. I guess we'll find out someday! -- Ken (talk) 04:27, July 14, 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, one more question. The animal on the left looks like the unicorn from another clay animated segment. Do you know if the person/animal on the right was in anything else? -- Ken (talk) 04:34, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

So what did you think of the phone sketch with Cookie Monster and Ernie in Episode 123? I kept thinking it was weird that in the first season, Cookie Monster sounded like what Grover became, and Grover sounded like what Cookie Monster became. It's fascinating to see Frank finding his characters' voices. I love this stuff! -- Ken (talk) 06:24, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

Hi! I just wanted to let you know that I put the existing parts of Episode 0115 in order, but I didn't start writing new stuff, since you said you were writing a summary, so I didn't want to get in your way. I wrote out Episode 0056, and Guillermo put pictures on it, and it looks great! I also wrote out Episode 0123. I'm hoping someday they'll put out Episode 0078, so I can finally see the original Rubber Duckie! After seeing the complete Episode 0001, that's my next holy grail! -- Ken (talk) 05:00, July 21, 2011 (UTC)
Ho hi! Thanks! I've been sidetracked this week but I still have the street scenes partly summarized. The middle stuff *was* hard, so thanks so much! I'll try to finish before Monday. Also, I found a Mario Lanza record, The Desert Song, which I hope you don't have (released posthumously). Both because I remember your fondness for Lanza... and the bass part (the riff chieftain, if memory serves) is played by Donald Arthur (before he moved to Germany)! -- Andrew Leal (talk) 15:54, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Record BoxesEdit

Happy 1776 (+235)! Can you do me a favor and look at The Green Album? I was wondering why the box looks different. See how the "Songs From" line is on 2 lines, instead of 1? I thought it had to do with having a large number of shows and movies listed, but Favorite Songs from Jim Henson's Muppets looks normal. I thought it was me, but I've seen it on different computers (both logged in and not logged in), and it does the same thing. I know it's not technically "wrong", but I was just curious, in case maybe something was causing new pages to show it like that. Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 19:38, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

Hi! We just finished watching 1776 actually. And I have no idea what's going on. You're right, it's not just your PC, but the code is the same on both pages. I can't figure it out. One possibility is it's some kind of Wikia adjustment affecting the box which isn't seen on the other page because it hasn't been updated in awhile so it's the old cache (sounds odd but not impossible). Most likely it's "just one of those things." Scott's away for the 4th I think, but I'd suggest leaving a message for him when he comes back. Been meaning to e-mail you anyway. Things are going well (had the line-through for The Taming of the Shrew recently) but been dashed busy. Hope all's well with you! -- Andrew Leal (talk) 22:55, July 4, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I owe you at least one e-mail, too! It's about Warner shorts and they way they edited the opening credits for television. So I hope that's enough to tantalize you until I send it! -- Ken (talk) 01:10, July 5, 2011 (UTC)

Sources-relatedEdit

When I was going through the performers of the Sesame Street seasons, it was mentioned on the pages of those performers on some of their roles like who was among those that performed the Honkers or who occasionally helped in performing Baby Bear. I also don't see how this is the only Wikia I've seen that has their new messages going upwards from the welcome message. Rtkat3 (talk) 9:24, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Muppet Movie trailerEdit

Is the trailer for The Muppet Movie commercially available? It's on YouTube.--Fred (talk) 01:08, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

Nope! Feel free to link or upload. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 02:19, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

Salvador NájarEdit

Heya. I don't know if you've seen this, but it's got an interview with Salvador Nájar. —Scott (contact) 06:06, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

Wow! Oddly, given how much I love it when the Muppets and Mexico/Spanish intersect, I hadn't! It's a pretty good tribute overall too. I still like how Fozzie is "Figaredo." And it shows what a geek I am, that as excited as I am about the movie, I'm *just* as excited about getting it on DVD with the Spanish track (and if it's omitted, which would surprise me since every major Disney release from the last two years has one, and this would be a *major* release, I shall be quite miffed). I'll have to give it a better listen later; my Spanish still isn't so hot but I should be able to get a rough translation to beef up the page. Plus I have a bunch of quotes from Jorge Arvizu on dubbing the Muppets (easier because I can type out text from the book and use Google translate) and enough info to create a page for El show de los Muppets, although I'm not sure how to tackle it. There was the original dub, a redub for Argentina in recent years which aired in other Latin American countries (possibly in Mexico too, but for lack of evidence, I can probably just track that as its own Argentinian page), and then a redub by Disney for DVD, as part of the "Disney Character Voices International" effort to ensure the voices match (so they redubbed it with the folks they've used since the 90s movies, Studio DC and such, in the redubs of the original movies, and now in the new flick). But only the original dub had actors who were in the Cantinflas movies! (Which may not mean much to you, but growing up on the border, finding the missing link between the Muppets and Cantinflas is a major coup). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 06:16, June 21, 2011 (UTC)
I hope they don't omit the foreign dubs on the new movie. It's more fun listening to Muppets speak in a foreign tongue than it is live actors. I'm glad the video is useful! —Scott (contact) 06:21, June 21, 2011 (UTC)
It is, isn't it? If you missed Ulica Sezam (Croatia), go to the dubbing site, with info helpfully translated into English. The site has a nice array of Sesame clips, including the Croatian versions of "Fuzzy and Blue" and "Do De Rubber Duck!" -- 06:27, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

Commercially available?Edit

Is this video and this video commercially available?--Fred (talk) 15:23, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

No, and linking to Sesamestreet.org videos (since they're an official channel) is always fine. A note on uploading, however. This may have since changed, but I seem to recall that they actually had direct viewing from an embed disabled, which if so would render individual uploading pointless. Plus, as you may have noticed, our Sesame Street sketch pages aren't really structured for that on the whole (since it would have to replace the still image). I'd suggest trying just one video and seeing if it works (and if it's not viewable, than just link to it; use Template:Youtube on the article page). Here's an example: type {{youtube|JOF5s9k-cLA}}, so it shows up as (YouTube). The text in the middle is not the full URL but the actual video code, which you can see in the URL between "v=" and "&feature". That's what needs to be pasted. Or to make it easier, click "Share," and you'll notice there's a "Link" option. The text after "http://youtu.be" is always the portion that needs to be inserted into the blank, so basically {{youtube|Insert Code Here}} is the formula. It may look complicated at first but it's really fairly simple, just cutting and pasting that specific portion of the code. Hope this helps! -- Andrew Leal (talk) 20:50, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

New wikiEdit

Hi, Andrew.I created a new wiki and the things I need are some admins and a better logo artist.I've gone to Danny and Julian so far, and I was wondering if you could help?--Fred (talk) 20:12, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Why is nobody answering?--Fred (talk) 18:58, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Andrew, I'm moving this topic to the top because you didn't answer before it was pushed down, and I still need an answer.--Fred (talk) 23:03, May 5, 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Fred! Sorry, but I've had PC problems for days (hope to pick up a new one tomorrow), which combined with a hectic work schedule means I don't have much time to respond to stuff here, just immediate admin priorities for Muppet Wiki usually. So I wouldn't have time for the new wiki, but more than that, to be frank, right now admins aren't your main need. Administrators function primarily to keep order, as well as to consult on other aspects of the site and policy decisions, but when I was last able to check, you had two pages. Once there's more content and more users, *then* the need for additional admins arises. Also, with such a broad topic, you really need to decide how to approach it. It seems you like Diary of a Wimpy Kid so that's great, but something labeled a "Film Wiki" is broader and implies coverage of cinema history, all of the major films and stars and directors of the past and present, genres and most likely specific filmmaking techniques and modes of critique, etc. So that's a lot to build. It's not impossible, but since a lot of that is already on Wikipedia, you need to decide exactly what needs improving on from that (or you can start by migrating a lot of that content, which gives you a foundation to then tailor) and then how to attract specific visitors to your site, or if you already know film buffs. So that's really your first agenda (and right now I'm just not in a position to help you without a little more ground work; perhaps if time priorities change, but as is the PC crisis has put me behind on several writing deadlines and I have work and plays coming up, and I've already committed to Muppet Wiki of course and I do a lot on the Spanish dubbing wiki plus the Voicechasers website, so those are all prior committments). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 02:42, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

The Ghost of Faffner HallEdit

I understand. But my concern is for the casual readers of Muppet wiki; they most likely don't know where to find the list of characters. If it weren't for links, most of the category pages would not get any traffic at all. Please respond if you have a chance, I'd like to know your thoughts.--Gonzofan 02:58, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

Hi! Well, actually, categories are at the bottom of every page and indeed most casual readers, unless their attention span is so short they don't read beyond the first paragraph, will notice them, and for the casual readers, the main characters are all listed. A "casual reader" after all wouldn't really care about a whole category of recycled puppets from other productions, or they'd be more apt to click say Farkas or Fughetta, and then the category is still very prominent and easy to get to, right below. It's just convenient organization and you'll noticed, as a rule, that's how it works on all productions (with some exceptions). However, since it's not a hard and fast policy (just something that seems redundant), I'd suggest asking Danny, who since he works for Wikia also has the actual data on what traffic pages get and browsing patterns, and thus whether something is needed or not (and since in the longrun it's such a small thing, it's not a point I'd argue much further). I'm just not comfortable with it on every page (Sesame Street, for example, would look darn awkward with every subcategory listed as a "See also"), so I keep an eye out for precedent setters, but if Faffner means that much to you as an exception, I won't pursue it too hard (but still, just ask Danny what he thinks, and I'll be fine with whatever he says; right now I'm briefly on another machine because my PC has been felled and I'm actually trying to buy a replacement as soon as possible this week, likely a laptop. Its death has been imminent anyway). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 16:10, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the response. Actually yes, what you are saying makes sense. I didn't realize just how accessible the categories were until recently. For now I think the page is fine. Its not terribly important to me, I was just wondering about it.--Gonzofan 05:18, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

South AmericaEdit

I've been cleaning up in all the so called dubbed Muppet movie pages that Max have been added lately, but I'm in doubt about this one Los Muppets Toman Nueva York. So far what I could figure out are that the title are the same throughout most of South America Do you know if it's the same as the Castillian Spanish Los Teleñecos Conquistan Manhattan, a Spanish dub of it's own or if it's even a dub at all ? Henrik (talk) 07:56, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Henrik! It's a dub, but the user's data is a bit misleading. Spanish-speaking Latin American countries (Brazil of course uses the Portuguese), until fairly recent years, often used the same dub throughout (and almost never, except very early on, the same as the Castilian Spanish due to dialect and grammar differences, and there's also the so-called "neutral Spanish" often used precisely for that reason so the dubs could be used in all countries, but more recently there've been shifts where it's gradually becoming more common for each country to have their own dub either to capture the local dialect or, with some animated features, to use local celebrity voices and such). For example, The Muppet Show was redubbed in Argentina for TV... but with a new Mexican track for the DVDs (by Disney Character Voices, so the same voices they've been using since Christmas Carol/Treasure Island, more or less).
The DVD cover is actually the *Mexican* packaging (same track used as the Spanish track on the US DVD as far as I've been able to dtermine so far) and I have a voice cast list for it, and as you can already tell there are actually multiple titles (there's often variance across posters, DVDs, and "titulos," what the voice-over announces the title as on TV airings but often omitted on TV, and I neglected to tape it last time it aired on Canal Cinco some years ago [since I'm right on the border, we get some Mexican stations]). And the theatrical poster (uploaded by Julian awhile back) is for the same dub. I'll probably rename it "Muppets Take Manhattan (Latin America)" or else "Muppets Take Manhattan (Mexico)" [since that is where the soundtrack was recorded and this version first released] for clarity. I forget, have you handled any cases where the same dub has been used for multiple countries? (In general, outside of inclusion as an alternate track, it's not really practical with the exception of Latin America).
Max has mostly been creating the pages based on bits and pieces already on the Wiki on other pages, combined with what IMDb claims as the release date for a given country, so that's why a lot of them are wonky (for the Italian dubs for example, I have more complete lists from an Italian dubbing website I use, so I'll put those on my todo list as well). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 15:33, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
Well my attempt to handle same dub different country issue limits to [[Muppet Treasure Island (international video)|this page]] I made ages ago and have not done much with since. It might be the best way to handle it, although I'm unsure if it needs all the details of what the releases contain. Maybe it should just be a cover image, year, company and catalogue number. Henrik (talk) 16:39, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, nothing on that page is really in the same category. I'll rework it to focus on the fact that it is the Mexican dub (and even then it's been identified as both Los Muppets toman Nueva York and Los Muppets toman Manhattan and then the changes for video covers which don't match anything but basically seem to be the whim of the manufacturer or what fits best on the card). The voice-over announcing title is considered the definitive source, especially since bizarrely many of the DVD subtitles include the *Castilian* subs which thus don't match the dubbing, but the DVD omits that and I'm not sure if I'll ever catch it again on TV. I've been very active on the Latin American dubbing Wiki of late (Doblaje Wiki) so I may pose the question there (the partial voice cast is here, under "toman Manhattan" but with no real source for whether that's just using the literal translation; the voices are correct though as far as has been determined (always allowing for a possible change later on, but the confirmed IDs line up with multiple sources and experts so far), and my own ear noticed Francisco Colmenero, always recognizable (and now the official voice of Statler, the Swedish Chef, and others, so in the redubs of the first two movies for Disney DVD he voices those roles and others), as Mr. Skeffington. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 17:00, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
Hehe I had a feeling that the dub was a bit more complicated than article would lead one to believe and that you where the right person to mention it to :) Henrik (talk) 18:05, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm off to work now (it's nice to be earning money again!) but when I get back, since tomorrow and Wednesday are my days off, I'll treat myself and catch up on the Wiki, fixing the dubbing pages, plus I have pages planned out for the Salvation Army, Faustus, and others I've fallen behind on. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 19:07, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
Hi! I remember you'd mentioned a Salvation Army page, and I've been wondering what the connection was. I'm looking forward to it! -- Ken (talk) 04:53, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Removing info Edit

HI Andrew! It's BertieBert, i'm sorry for the inconvience. I'm new to the wiki and I just thought it made sense. Just explain this stuff to me. I'm an idiot. -- User:BertieBert

Hi! Well, for one thing, removing factual and relevant information is never a good thing (extraneous data about a non-Henson show or other stuff which has nothing to do with the Muppets, sure, but that's not the case here). As for the table format, in February two recently uncovered skits were stuck on the end (no real names, thus why they were uncapitalized; if we capitalize something, it implies an official title. The rest use either song titles or titles from Henson screenings, retrospectives and other official sources, and the same was the source for the dates) so I can understand how that could throw you off, but a closer look shows that every entry was alphabetical except that (with only a few surviving episodes that we know of so far, that makes the most sense).
In general, just pay attention to the edit summaries and messages left for you and if you haven't already, make sure you read the FAQ and Polices and Guidelines. And if you're not sure or wonder why a page is set up a certain way, ask on the talk page and we'll be happy to tell you. Thanks! (Oh, and if you can, edit the top of the page, rather than using "New topic," otherwise messages are buried at the bottom. Unlike Wikipedia, we like to have stuff at the top where we can see it when we check, but that's by the way). And don't forget to sign your messages, like this: ~~~~. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 23:14, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
Sure thing! But I don't know how to add the topic on the top of the page. Did Jim Henson voice Chicken Liver? It doesn't sound like that 10:27, April 30, 2011 (UTC)User:BertieBert

Merry Late/Early Christmas!Edit

Long ago in the "Name That Puppet" page you said you wished we had images of The Wizard of Id characters. Well now the pilot has been uploaded on YouTube (and today's entry on Jim Henson's Red Book isabout the pilot). We have images online now! --Minor muppetz 17:26, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Sing Along!Edit

I love The Doodletown Pipers record! -- Ken (talk) 07:10, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I had that sitting on my PC for years actually (before Nate created that page), and then when struggling to find something on my PC (from a past PC crash), I found the text draft I'd had for a Doodletown article but put off and then couldn't find (crash crashy) and hadn't posted. So I did. It's even the same year as Our Place so as far as I could tell from the black and white footage, it's the same line-up or pretty close. And I owe you an e-mail, I know. Until then, may your Doodletown dreams come true! -- Andrew Leal (talk) 00:53, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Returning vandalEdit

Hi Andrew! Hate to burst the wiki bubble, but we've got another familiar user who appears to have been previously blocked. -- Jon (talk) 16:20, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Andrew, I've blocked them for now (partly because of past habits, and partly because they've been trying to edit other users' talk page entries, however small they might be). Though since there seem to be signs of trying to be productive as well, I'm not sure how we proceed with such a case. What do you suggest? — Julian (talk) 18:20, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
Going out shortly for a job interview so I can't fully deal with it right now. A lot of it is just a maturity issue: he gave his age as 15 last time (in 2010). He really didn't seem to listen too well (and his pictures were mostly duplicates or odd reversions). I'd say ask Danny if he feels like reaching out and explaining very thoroughly to this user, or if you do, but it sounds like a certain amount of babysitting will be involved. Maybe offer them a trial period and with the clear understanding that it *is* a best behavior trial (usually hasn't worked before, as with User:GrouchMan, but on rare occasions it has). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 18:46, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Muppets tonight Edit

Hi.I found episodes of Muppets Tonight on Youtube.The show is not commercialy available,but it might be sometime.Because of that,I am not sure whether it would be ok to embed them and them take them down after a commercial release.--Hihokermitthefroghere 22:44, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, whole episodes are *much* iffier and more likely to be pulled, and they're not always in the best quality either. Ask Danny, but personally I'd say no or, at best, just links and we'd keep an eye on it. But it's basically a big can of worms, since it could also apply to Jim Henson Hour, random Animal Show episodes, Muppet Babies... with the individual Sesame Street inserts and commercials and the like, it's not as complicated and we're not linking to a whole unauthorized upload of a production in parts. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 00:03, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
I don't know, I'd be comfortable with it. I looked at the videos up on youtube, and they've been up for three or four years... I can't imagine they'd be suddenly pulled down any time soon. If the video is decent quality, I think people reading the wiki would enjoy seeing them. -- Danny @fandom (talk) 01:35, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
Hi -- I posted on Special:Community about the Muppets Tonight Youtube videos... the conversation didn't really pick up, and Fred is pinging me about it. I told him to go ahead, since he might as well do stuff that he's motivated to do. You feel like commenting on Special:Community? -- Danny @fandom (talk) 23:45, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I hadn't said anything because we'd pretty much talked it out so I wanted to see what other admins say, and with the job starting Monday (and trying to find clothes, and memorize a monologue for Saturday, and tie up sundry loose ends and dealing with day to day stuff, like the recent custom image thing). So I haven't had time to prioritize it (I think I even said as much to you in chat that I didn't think I'd get to it for a few days) as far as reworking the policy statement.
I personally figure Fred can go ahead as long as we don't simply forget to amend and carefully clarify the page, which we have a tendency to do, so that's really where and why I hoped the other admins would step in (and so nobody goes "Wait, we're allowing this now?" or take out stuff that you and I have given the okay to but which they weren't cognizant of). But basically, pending the page rewording, I'm fine. The fact that Ken's okay with it and has more time and energy to keep an eye on some of those pages and such also helps (since I still think a ton of dead video links looks sloppy and, since we've embedded and thus are essentially endorsing it, much moreso than if some "external link" does). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 00:29, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, makes sense. I agree that dead video links look sloppy; I just think that our current approach to it might be overly anxious. -- Danny @fandom (talk) 00:33, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

New category page? Edit

Hi.How can I create a new category page,if I can create one?-- Hihokermitthefroghere 21:15, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Generally new categories are something to be discussed first, propose it on Special:Community or the talk page for the related subject. What category did you have in mind? Also take a look at the items in Category:Lists, since a lot of things (like Robots for example) are better handled as lists. Oh, and I want to thank you for asking, for taking some of our previous corrections in the right spirit, and just let you know you really are being a cooperative and helpful user. Yay! -- Andrew Leal (talk) 00:19, March 12, 2011 (UTC)
The category I thought of was Muppet Labs,which is anything related to Dr.Bunsen Honeydew and his inventions.I previously incorrectly assumed this category existed and added it to the Gorilla Detector page.I noticed that you removed it.--Hihokermitthefroghere 21:52, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Pages about Jim's clay animation filmsEdit

Hi! I noticed that User:5:00weasel had some thoughts on his user page, wondering why the Jim Henson clay animation films (like Sam the Snake, and the one about the unicorn) don't have their own pages. I never noticed it before, but I'd kind of like to know, too. He says they were deleted, but I wouldn't be able to check that. Do the things like "King of 8" get pages because they're songs, or was there another reason that other films by Jim wouldn't get their own page? -- Ken (talk) 05:49, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

kermit/aligator puppet Edit

just wondering, why did you delete my page?--Gtaz

Hi! Sorry, I assumed you'd seen the summary which another user had left when placing the delete template. You inadvertently duplicated an existing page, Punch and Judy Puppets, and I deleted rather than redirect since "Kermit/aligator puppet" is inaccurate and reflects personal opinion (as far as the puppet resembling Kermit; for the record, it's a traditional Punch and Judy crocodile puppet, but with an obviously Muppety design, suitable for Muppets to manipulate). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 04:40, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

La choy Edit

Hi are the La Choy Dragon commercials available as special features on any DVDs?I want to add them to the La Choy page.--Hihokermitthefroghere 23:38, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

Hi! None have been made commercially available, though several are already linked on the page (just not embedded). The page is also heavily illustrated, which means there's less room, so you may need to play around. Finally, not every YouTube video will allow you to embed it on another website. Check for the embed code when you upload. Let me know if you still need any help. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 23:44, March 7, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice,both that you gave here and about "How the Muppets retired" on my talk page.--Hihokermitthefroghere 23:54, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

Dog CityEdit

Hey, I saw that you added all the title cards for the Dog City eps - do you own every episode? Wozza 22:35, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

From Amazon.com downloads only, outside of the two commercial VHS releases and the Australian DVD. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 22:36, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

More GarrettEdit

It looks like Garrett just came back as User:Garrett3851. -- Ken (talk) 02:19, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Just a heads-upEdit

I saw that you removed a rather redundant caption link on Kathy Mullen's page; but since your summary refers to the tech problems we used to have with them, I just wanted to give you a quick heads-up that the issue has been resolved! So, feel free to link away in moderation! ;) — Julian (talk) 20:56, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

Aha! I still think that linking Mokey etc. isn't moderation though. Thanks for reminding me! -- Andrew Leal (talk) 20:57, March 4, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, no, I totally agree. :) — Julian (talk) 20:58, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

More SongbooksEdit

Hi! Can you do me a favor, and restore [[Sesame Street Songbook Volumes 1 & 2]]? Scott deleted it, with a note saying that it repeats info. It was a combined edition of the 2 WB books that went with the 1st 2 LP's, and if you guys would rather not give it its own page, I'd like to at least work it into the other 2 pages, so we don't lose the information. Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 03:47, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Done! Just put a "Delete" tag when you're through, or discuss it with Scott if you want to keep as is. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 04:47, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I thought it had a picture, but I guess I ran across it on Worldcat or something. I can see why he wanted to delete it. It's the sheet music equivalent of the Gold! album, so I'll make a note as I keep looking for more information on it. Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 07:00, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
Deleted and done! -- Ken (talk) 07:06, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

PuppetmanEdit

Heya. Just wanted to make sure you saw this. —Scott (contact) 20:44, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

I didn't!! Thanks (Puppetman and Snuffy's Parents Get a Divorce remain among my proudest bits of Wiki scholarship). One thing I'd like to ask about are the cute bits where Fred's character just makes a puppet out of oven mitts and so on. That has a semi-improv feel (and though it's been a few years now, I have a notion they may not have been in the script that Syracuse had), so I wondered if they were his suggestion (obviously having him make all the sound effects on "Dragon Time" was tailored to his talents). Beyond Puppetman, I hope they ask him about channeling the "voices" of Drs. Bunsen Honeydew and Strangepork for Muppet Magazine (though he wrote other pieces, he was the consistent choice for those two, and always made sure that Strangepork retained his dialect). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 21:02, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Mopatop's Shop-responseEdit

I was hoping that an episode list page would be spawned so that we can have other episodes added to Mopatop's Shop. Rtkat3 (Rtkat3) 7:14, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Arthur, I really have no idea what you're trying to say. The episode list is there, but in a collapsible form. Making it longer and adding redlinks doesn't change things. We have a policy for example not to add redlinks for Sesame Street episodes to the season pages. When a page is created, then we link. "Mopatop" is the same thing. It doesn't cause pages to be "spawned" or more episodes added, it just creates lots of ugly redlinks. Like I said, if you actually have an episode and have sufficient information to create a page (a picture, a synopsis, cast list and writer credits) that's more substantial than the current short synopsis, please, do it! (You can use Episode 101: Wrong Ringer and any of the other actual episode pages as a guideline). That's how pages are created, they're not spawned, but the result of a user with information and a desire to create such a page actually doing that. When we don't have enough information and only one user really working on those pages (Henrik mainly), we consolidate.
Also, please read How to use Talk pages (and you might want to explore some of the other help and policy pages, all housed in Category:Muppet Wiki). We're a little different than Wikipedia. New comments should be added to the top and conversations continued on the page where it started (so if I start a discussion on your page, you can feel free to respond there, and I'll do likewise, otherwise it becomes disjointed and scattered). This is especially so should something come up that would lead to a wider community discussion, say, or otherwise be useful reference for the future. I know that the Wikia changes some time ago made it so "Add new topic" automatically moves that topic to the bottom. To avoid that, just edit the page and manually add your comment to the top (it ensures that the person won't struggle to find your comment, and also makes it easier when we archive pages). Hope this clarifies some things. Thanks! -- Andrew Leal (talk) 00:28, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Avatar Edit

Hey, you should have an avatar... your username looks so lonely! —Scott 00:16, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

He used to have a picture of William Frawley. Whatever happened to the old avatars from a few years ago? -- Ken (talk) 06:00, February 9, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, that's basically what happened, although it was William Demarest (but hey, they were both on My Three Sons). After they took away the avatar function the first time, I never bothered to reupload and couldn't even find that specific pic now. I'll have to choose one of another character actor, but I'd be torn amongst Demarest, Frawley, Hans Conried, or maybe Jerry Colonna (or even one of the Mexican character actors in Cantinflas movies). I may do a rotational system. But I appreciate the concern over my user name loneliness! -- Andrew Leal (talk) 07:03, February 9, 2011 (UTC)
Whoops, I was thinking of you being FrawleyFan on ToughPigs (unless you meant James Frawley). I feel bad mixing those up. One did a Twilight Zone, and the other was Fred Mertz!
And I had the same reaction you did on the Dead Muppet Show Guest page! I hope it's not too weird to say that I love the idea of turning the list into a gallery, even though it is a little sad to see how many we've lost already. It reminds me that the show is already almost 35 years old! -- Ken (talk) 02:30, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Username loneliness fixed. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 03:24, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

The Uploading of Images Edit

Editingtopics

Andrew, I need your help with something. For the first time, I'm trying to upload an image myself, and I'm using the advice you gave me on how to do it a while back. I'm using Microsoft Paint trying to upload it, but whenever I hit the upload button, I get this message saying it's being uploaded from an illegal file. It turns up only under "My Pictures." I don't know what the heck is up with that. Perhaps you could give me a good tip? Garrettk41 00:28, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Garrett! I was sick yesterday. I'll park an explanation of the images on your talk page in a moment, for easier reference. However, for the page editing, some older IE versions caused issues with the new Wikia design, but it should resemble the image here. On the far right, you need to use your mouse to left-click the drop down arrow (it's small but you can see it right next to the "New Topic" bar, again to the right) and then click the appropriate option (in your case, only edit and possibly move will be visible, since you're not an admin). In this case, it would be "edit" and start a new topic manually at the top of the page (Wikia defaults the automatic new topic to the bottom, unless of course it's the first topic on a page so it makes no difference). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 00:14, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
Hello, Andrew. I, too, have a concern dealing with uploading images, and this seems like a good place to post it. Actually, I've had no problem with uploading the image itself -- what went wrong is that Radionate deleted my image and replaced it with one of his own, without an explanation of what was wrong with mine, or even an "I've got an image of the same picture that I thought would look better than yours." I've tried contacting him to find out what the problem was, but it's been over a week now, and there's been no response to my inquiry. You can see the message I send him here:
User_talk:Radionate#Doctor_Roosevelt_Franklin_Image
My question to you is the same one I asked him: what can I do to avoid having my images deleted and replaced like this in the future? I have some more images I'd like to upload, but I'm afraid of the same thing happening again. Any help at all would be greatly appreciated! -- Tracy, the 5:00weasel 04:58, February 5, 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Tracy! The main reason he hasn't responded, apart from having been on the Wiki exactly once since he cropped the image, is because you left the message at the bottom of the page. Have you read any of the FAQ or help pages yet? (They can be found in this category). Talk pages are covered [[Help:How_to_use_Talk_pages|here]], and unlike Wikipedia, all new conversations begin at the top of the page, otherwise they're buried and users won't notice them. More recently, changes to Wikia interface complicated things so new topics automatically go to the bottom. So we don't *use* add new topic, but manually edit and put our questions/comments/bread recipes at the top.
Secondly, you actually wound up *duplicating* an image. Nate had already uploaded his to Doctors on January 18th, and you uploaded yours on the 27th. Duplicate files are deleted by admins (in this case, Henrik deleted it, not Nate). So that's the basic advice, first to make sure that another copy of the same image isn't already on the Wiki. Also, we are in the habit of fixing pictures when we can, so it *is* possible that someone may upload an improved version over yours (in which case they *will*, as a rule, leave an edit summary; on rare occasions due to Wiki glitches the new image is uploaded under a new name, but this almost always would only effect something like replacing an old fuzzy image once a production is out on DVD, say, so it shouldn't affect you). It's nothing personal however, and in cases like that (where it's not due to duplication), definitely discuss it with them. The other rule is not to upload tiny images. Image:ForgettinestJones.jpg is an example, where it's too tiny to be useful since you can't even make out the characters (our preferred size is usually 300px, smaller if that's all you can find and it's reasonably clear, but not thumbnail size; bigger for book pics is fine, at 300px on the page). So basically, if the image isn't tiny *and* you've checked to make sure that another version doesn't already exist on another page (the Wiki is so large with so many pages that unintentional duplication does happen, and in this case, you couldn't have known to check Doctors, but we do have a lot of book images on pages like that or Nobility or Butlers, say), go ahead and upload it. Heck, as long as you looked in reasonable places (the relevant character, book, song, production, etc.) don't let fear of duplication stop you, but also don't get frustrated if it is a dupe and is removed (and this has happened to many users, it's never a personal "We don't like you and your picture" thing, but either "This image is a start but I can get a better one from my scan/DVD than they did from YouTube/Google Image" or whatever; and if someone does forget to leave you a message about it, that's also not personal, in fact when admins clean up unused or duplicated images they usually don't notice who uploaded them, just that they're not needed). Basically, we won't know until we see it!
That may all sound complicated, but basically, we'd much prefer to have you upload images, even if we have to occasionally say, "Whoops, already have that/can't use it," then miss out. And any user who's uploaded knows that sometimes an image may be replaced, cropped, improved, etc., but we're all working to improve the Wiki, and the worst thing is to refrain from adding an image out of fear. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 05:46, February 5, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you very much! This is exactly what I needed to know. -- Tracy, the 5:00weasel 18:59, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

SpitEdit

Hi, Andrew! I posted a question over on Talk:Spit regarding an edit you made a while back on the credit for Spit's voice. Do you have any insight (or do you even remember making that edit?) -- Ryan (talk) 18:46, January 15, 2011 (UTC)

Hi! I've seen the question (only after Michael's response, given the flood of other activity in recent changes and other admin issues) but I've also been spending this week swamped by a deadline which I finally met, and I need to search through a pile of discs for Aliens in the Family first, so give me time. I think you're probably right but naturally I want to do an actual side by side comparison first. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 20:33, January 15, 2011 (UTC)

Chinese BearEdit

Hi! How should we handle a page that's called 大熊贝尔蓝色的家? It's the Chinese dub of Bear in the Big Blue House. I didn't want to move it until I talked to you, O Guru of Dubbing! -- Ken (talk) 03:33, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Done. I still haven't been doing much here beyond the odd admin or talkpage stuff, I know, and I've been spending a lot of time on the "doblaje" (Spanish dubbing) wiki, including identifying the Spanish voice of Rod Serling! (It was the same for both Twilight Zone and Night Gallery). The Chinese Bear was easy, since the user supplied a literal translation, so I moved it to that. It's in one of our policy pages, by the way, that article titles should never use non-standard characters, for several reasons but chiefly because it often shows up as just a row of boxes unless one has the proper language translation filter, and in some cases the add-on can't even be downloaded without a licensed version of MS Word which not everyone has; so it basically becomes exclusionary and confusing. Including it *within* the article is fine, usually after the translated title (i.e. "Blah blah" [Chinese in parentheses]). We've mostly avoided it on character and people names, except cases like Ouyang Lianzi, when it's there not only for complete accuracy but because for ages all acrylic translations were wrong), and a few others. I know one of the Category:Muppet Wiki Policy and Standards pages mentions it somewhere, but I don't feel like looking for it. Hope your new year has been going well thus far, Ken! -- Andrew Leal (talk) 04:08, January 9, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I knew we don't use non-standard characters, but I didn't know if having a comma in the English title would confuse things more, since we can't tell if there's a comma in the original (or something that would mean the same thing), and I wasn't sure how accurate that English translation was. I guess if it isn't, somebody who can read Chinese will come on and tell us, like we've seen for some other language things. Just for fun, I also noticed that sometimes things get re-translated years after they're known as a certain title in English. The Italian film The Bicycle Thief is now being called Bicycle Thieves on DVD, but I don't know who decided to make the change. -- Ken (talk) 04:50, January 9, 2011 (UTC)
P.S. I looked up the guy you mentioned for Rod Serling, and I found it hilarious that he also did Sterling Holloway voices, and Jim Henson's Link Hogthrob! -- Ken (talk) 04:59, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Merry Christmas +2!Edit

Thanks for your updates! I'm writing over here because I've got some other conversations going with some other people, but I was curious. What do you have on the Salvation Army? I'm intrigued. All I can think of is the group of people playing during "I Hate Christmas", but I can't tell if those were real uniforms. -- Ken (talk) 05:31, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

thanks, and a problem already Edit

thanks for the welcome.

my attempt at adding this image http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/File:Ss-tape.jpg to http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/The_Sesame_Street_Book_%26_Record failed. It's the only reason I joined!

-- bangs head on keyboard --

Hey, Andrew, I forgot all about this picture! I saw it when it was first added, and I got really excited. I wanted to ask this person for more information, but then I forgot about it. I'll meet you over on this person's talk page. -- Ken (talk) 03:22, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

BlockingEdit

Hi! I have a feeling that Stinky&Jake Returns Again might be somebody who's been blocked before. -- Ken (talk) 05:18, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, there was no question here. Done and done! -- Andrew Leal (talk) 06:01, December 4, 2010 (UTC)
I think Jermboy27bocus is a "repeater", too. -- Ken (talk) 05:54, December 6, 2010 (UTC)
I don't know if he was a repeater or not (probably), but his additions were made-up nonsense. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 06:10, December 6, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I looked it up in the block log, and we've had Jermboy(number) a few times.
Hey, a lot of our regulars are missing tonight, but happy 5th birthday to Muppet Wiki! Join the party over on Special:Community! -- Ken (talk) 06:40, December 6, 2010 (UTC)
Question, Andrew: Is Thepuppetmaker7004 the same person you blocked before? -- Max (talk) 03:47, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
It is. Good catch. I'm currently undoing their changes (the block was based mainly on the fake "Elma" page). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 03:52, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to rock your blocking boat Andrew, but Themuppetmaker7's come back yet again as KermitTheFrogFan180. -- Jon (talk) 03:41, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

These people have no conception of holidays. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 03:43, December 28, 2010 (UTC)


how can I be an admin? Edit

What requirement do I need to become an admin? A page called Muppet Wiki: Requests for adminship would work. -BRAINULATOR9 16:08, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Hi. We don't handle administrator status by request (nor do a substantial number of Wikis) so there's no need for such a page. Instead, it's decided over a substantial period of time (from months to years even) based on a user's reliability, tone when interacting with others, how active they are (will they be around to help handle issues), and other factors, and at present, we have all the admins needed. Thanks for asking though! -- Andrew Leal (talk) 17:51, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
Okay. Thanks for answering. -BRAINULATOR9 23:04, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Felina!Edit

I love your El Paso page! I wish Debbie Reynolds had been a Muppet Show guest! -- Ken (talk) 05:08, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

John DarlingEdit

Hi! I posted the John Darling strips... A strange bit of Muppet history for you to enjoy. I've also got a question on the talk page that you may be able to help with.... -- Danny@fandom (talk) 00:47, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

What a trove! Some image problems with the last half of the uploads due to the continuing Wiki issues, but I've been able to just directly download a couple (others are giving me error messages). It's definitely far more elaborate than I would have imagined. Definitely a funny and weird part of Muppet history, and a reminder of when Tom Batiuk (at least as a writer) wasn't a bitter, possibly insane misanthrope. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 01:01, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
And now the images are all working. Yay! I like the disdain on both Frank and Piggy in the 1980 strip. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 01:05, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Music and DubbingEdit

Hi! I've come across something that I thought was strange. Thanks to a tip from Steven (Rocketstevo), I'm watching the first 14 episodes of Iftah Ya Simsim on YouTube, and making notes of dubbed stuff that I recognize. But I've noticed something I've never seen before. Not only do they dub sketches, but in some cases they perform entirely new music tracks (both vocal and instrumental) on top of US footage! For example, I've been able to figure out some of the Joe Raposo animal films, but the music is totally different! Also, listen to what they did to "The Alligator King" (at the 3:17 mark here). The strangest one I've seen so far is how they took "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" and made it into a song in a minor key! (That's at 3:30 here.) It's interesting because they had to come up with something that's entirely quarter notes, but we don't even know if they used the same words! So my question is, if a dubbed song sounds totally different musically, and right now we don't know the translation, do we still link back to the US song's page? I've been putting "Different music than US version" on the episode page, but I didn't know if we wanted to get into that, either. I've never seen Plaza Sesamo use different music during a Muppet song! -- Ken (talk) 21:38, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

They do it all the time on Sesamstrasse (mostly songs before the mid-90's). Example: "Hier am Teich" ("On My Pond"). - Oscarfan 21:53, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, it's usually changed orchestrations (the German version of "Put Down the Duckie" is recognisable but significantly different) but sometimes other changes happen. So yeah, a "different score/different orchestration" note would work, as fits. Most of the co-productions have folks on staff not just to translate lyrics but to re-orchestrate (or swap out entirely in the instances you mention). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 01:03, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
Now I just found out, after comparing them side by side, that they used a different take of an Ernie and Bert sketch. I'm learning all kinds of things! -- Ken (talk) 08:07, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!Edit

Just a quick thanks for taking care of... uh... vermin 'round here! :) — Julian (talk) 22:14, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. MOs of these folks tend to be too obviously repeated, and the shall we say phraseology of the message tended to awaken one's curiosity at the start (cryptically conversing so as not to encourage the trolls is fun!) -- Andrew Leal (talk) 03:53, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
It is fun, even though they aren't. I guess they are giving back, in a way. ;) — Julian (talk) 11:51, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
Hmmm... there seem to be some more, going by the excessive upload of pre-existing images. — Julian (talk) 16:42, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
Got it. Thanks for letting me know! UrbanOverdose 21:58, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
Here's another one, who has an urge to show off his level of maturity. — Julian (talk) 01:43, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Art LoversEdit

Dance in the rain

Crackhead moment of the day. I swear this is a rift on a famous painting, but I cannot dial it up. I've been going through books at home and haven't found anything, but I so remember a painting with people in gown dancing in the rain, almost Fantasia-like. Any clues? -- Nate (talk) 16:57, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Nope. My first thought is simply that "Those Honkers have great choreography." -- Andrew Leal (talk) 17:15, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Category talk:Sesame Street VideoEdit

Any thoughts? -- Ken (talk) 04:12, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Not as of yet. I tend to agree with what's being said so far. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 17:50, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
Okay, thanks! By the way, I was hoping you saw the news about free Sesame shows from around the world. Now you have more dubbing to play with! (And I love hearing all of the different theme songs, and music from the various countries!) -- Ken (talk) 19:40, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Touched by a MuppetEdit

Hi! I don't know why I didn't think of this before, but I've already thought of 5 people who were on Touched by an Angel, and I know there are tons more. So I put it on Projects with Muppet Cast Connections. I'll bet I can beat 20 people! -- Ken (talk) 04:36, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

I did it! -- Ken (talk) 06:52, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Admin stuffEdit

Hey again Margaret. Can you please ban, or look into action against someone. I figured an admin had, but they didn't. Scott deleted a bunch of their stuff awhile ago, but they are continuing adding mis-information and uploading stuff. I'm cranky and don't feel like leaving a talk page message today. But thought I'd point it out to you to handle :) -- Nate (talk) 22:26, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Just got back from taking a job assessment (with likely mixed results; more programming and math on there than I'd expected when applying for a writing position, no actual writing sample portion), but done and done. Yeah, a multiple offender like that, adding personal fantasies and falsehoods, that's always an outright block and not worth engaging them in discussion (like waaaaay back, the nut who kept making Ice Age 2 pages). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 22:33, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. I hate having to point that stuff out, but it irritated me today. Gotta love PMS and stress. Hope the gig works out. I wondered how that was going since last you mentioned it. -- Nate (talk) 22:39, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
Hey, with so many edits, especially when good users like you and Henrik and Oscarfan are prolific, it's easier for a nut or troll, especially one who's not doing it on a huge scale, to sneak in. So yeah, an admin sometimes needs to be notified (I had to tell some other users to do that and not just stick a "You are blocked" notice on that user's page, since, umm, they're not blocked and might not be if the admin thinks another admin must have taken care of it, and so on). Really, that's partly why I don't bother with the blocked notice much anymore, I just take care of it. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 22:43, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Master of MoviesEdit

Masquerade ball
Henson-masquerade

Hey Kiddo. You know tons about movies. Does this picture ring a bell for you? When I saw it I had a total "I HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE" type of deal, but I cannot dial it up. I thought maybe it was Labyrinth for a split second, but it's driving me nuts because I really swear its a nod to something and I don't remember what. Or I'm on crack. Another possibility. -- Nate (talk) 22:12, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

I'm specifically talking about the costumes too. Mainly the lobster and tree. And maybe the mad hatter outfit (minus it behind a bear). -- Nate (talk) 22:13, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
Oh man, it rings a bell for me too, the tree creature that is (I think it's some black and white B movie, but I can't place it, though the claw hands are more Where the Wild Things Are). The lobster's just coincidence I think, or fits with the card and the hatter bear (you know, the lobster quadrille and such from Alice). I'll try to do some digging but I can swear I've seen that still (but never the actual source, or I'd have pinned it already). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 23:20, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
Is that Winnie the Pooh in the metal helmet? -- Ken (talk) 04:04, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
They're spoofing the Henson Company Masquerade Balls. Which book is that from, Nate? —Scott (talk) 04:46, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
And that solves the mystery! I knew I'd seen the tree things in a still (but somehow it had me thinking "Bad Filipino movie" instead!) Good work, Scott. And the book is Baby Piggy's Night at the Ball, Scott. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 04:47, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
Ah, thanks. I don't have that one. But I love that Lauren Attinello threw a cameo of herself into the book :) —Scott (talk) 04:54, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Oh thank you Scott. How faboo that I wasn't imagining it has significance. We'll have to work that into the wiki somewhere. -- Nate (talk) 15:13, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Carlton Cuse?Edit

Who was Carlton Cuse? He's mentioned on The Swedish Chef's page as somebody who has spoken mock Swedish, but no other pages link to him. -- Ken (talk) 01:32, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

I blanked on him as well. He's one of the Lost producers, from one of the segments where the Muppets visited him. I'd change that redlink to a link to the appropriate section on the Lost page (yeah, it counts as interaction, but anything notable or relevant to the Muppets, that he created Lost and did some segments with the Mupps, is already on the page, with pictures). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 01:34, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Red linkEdit

Why do we have a red link for Heather Graham? What did she do? -- Ken (talk) 03:39, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

She was in Lost in Space, though we just had a discussion at Category talk:Creature Shop Movie Actors. I think she'd still qualify though, but I don't feel like watching the movie to check. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 03:48, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
Oh, okay. I thought she might have been on Sesame Street in the '80's, but that was after my time. Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 04:18, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Jim Henson's Muppet StoriesEdit

Hey Andrew. I have a question for you. How do you think Stories to Share looks? I got the idea for doing a table for the series of books, as well as The Sesame Street Treasury and The Sesame Street Library. Kermit's All-Time Favorites is how we originally had the pages, with a gallery for each story (with one picture scan). Stories to Share has the table that I got the idea for using, and Stories to Grow On is another option that I thought of, using the pictures on the left hand side of the page. I'm fond of Stories to Share myself, especially if we use it for the other series of books (which is one of my long term project that I want to start working on). I'll throw this out to others to see what they think looks best too. Let me know what you think. -- Nate (talk) 21:59, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Stories to Grow On works best since we have a large cover and info box for each title. The table is thus either squished or we need to use the spacer code, which tends to create gaps when there's not enough text. I'd suggest trying for a compromise between the two (with the information clear but without all the headers; "picture" and "synopses" are redundant here anyway). The summaries aren't very readable in the To Share format, all cramped and the farthest to the right, and they're more likely to interest most folks right away (along with the image) than the author/illustrator info. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 22:07, July 6, 2010 (UTC)
Take a look at Stories to Share again and tell me what you think now. -- Nate (talk) 15:07, July 7, 2010 (UTC)
I like it! It takes care of nearly all the concerns I have (the info box Scott moved looks really awkward now, though. I may just try to beef up the leader a bit; maybe even move the kind of "Characters include" list there, though not in full for one-shots, so one can have a kind of at-a-glance overview for book appearances). Probably be awhile before I get to it though (I'm behind on a lot of things; potential reasonably lucrative but out of town employment may be approaching!) Great work, Nate! -- 20:44, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Twas a group effort, but I think I'm going to incorporate it on other pages as well. -- Nate (talk) 21:28, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

K-Tel AdEdit

Happy 4th! Animation guru that you are, what do you think of this? I know the LP was licensed, but who do you think did the animation for this? It would have been around 1975. -- Ken (talk) 00:34, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Hi! We just finished our annual viewing of 1776. No idea who did the animation. It looks rather like they may have taken interior/back jacket art and used that as the basis, so there's no discernible studio style. If I ever come across anything, though, I'll let you know. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 01:00, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

ruh ohEdit

Please tell me under our new guidelines that Bart the Bear won't have to go. lol. Here I am talking about making rules, and I'm already wanting to bend them, if he doesn't qualify, I think he would. -- Nate (talk) 15:32, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Heh, I'm working on the talk page right now. Fortunately, there were animatronic bears and doubles, so while that's a little different (to date, there's never been an animatronic Rob Schneider double say, thank heavens), he counts. I'm not sure about Tai though (I think she had scenes with the animatonic Ape, but). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 15:36, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
Confusion comes again. What about Ned Beatty and Gulliver's Travels. It was produced by the Henson Company, so I'm guessing all actors involved are at least celebrities, but they would not be creature shop actors, correct? Just as Matthew Broderick and the voice cast of Good Boy! aren't in the creature shop voice actors category. -- Nate (talk) 20:54, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
Gulliver's Travels is Henson-produced with Creature Shop effects (namely the wasp, Yahoo make-up, and I think some other make-up or digital effects), so as I said twice, I figured we'd leave those alone right now (I don't see a lot of point in deleting Shelley Thompson, who plays Sarah's stepmother, because she's not seen with Ludo). We're dealing with Creature Shop-effects for non-Henson productions (and Good Boy! is Henson but not creature at all). -- 21:05, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Just making sure. I made a list of the actors as well, and am running it past what you have posted on the talk page. Looks like we were (mostly) on the same track. It was Gulliver that threw me a little. -- Nate (talk) 21:10, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. If we want to attack Gulliver later, that's fine, but it wouldn't make sense unless it was applied consistently to all Henson/Creature Shop movies so everyone who didn't interact would have to go and, since those whole films take place in wholly Henson/Creature "universes," it seems fair to apply the rules differently just as we allow insert celebrities on Sesame Street even if they never worked with the Muppets (right now we have an effective way to treat those). And it saves any reworking on John Gielgud. As long as we don't get into "Yahoo #2" or "Woman Scared by Buddy #6" territory and we haven't, it works. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 21:15, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

We did it!Edit

We now have 100 shows on Minor TV Mentions! -- Ken (talk) 06:58, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Too much fun with photoshopEdit

I wasn't sure if you or Ken would enjoy this more, so I thought I'd put it on your talk page, and figured he and everyone else might see it. I stumbled on these two pages today and just thought some of them were too fun not to share with a few people here. This one and this one just cracked me up. It all started from trying to identify this painting used in animation segments on Sesame Street, and I'm still a little stumped on who the artist is. Any clue from you? I know I know who it is, but I'm drawing a blank (no pun intended). -- Nate (talk) 22:38, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Sing a song of referencesEdit

Hey kiddo. I chimed in, finally, on the discussion over at Creature Shop Movie actors. Also, what are your thoughts on celebrity references being only those celebrities directly referenced, and not those whose roles in a film where spoofed by the Muppets. In other words, Morgan Freeman or Julia Roberts aren't celebrity references just because Kermit was shown in Freeman's role in Driving Miss Daisy or Miss Piggy in Roberts' role in Pretty Woman. The films are the reference, not the actors in the roles. On the flip side, someone like Burt Reynolds is a celebrity reference, as his name was the pun in an Elmo's World episode. I think it makes sense, but wanted to make sure I wasn't using "blonde logic." -- Nate (talk) 15:24, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Hi! I have a question too. :) You mentioned on that Creature Shop actors discussion that we'd established clear guidelines on interaction for celebrities. Where did we do that? I was off-wiki a lot for the last month, so I might have missed it -- I'm just curious and want to catch up. -- Danny@fandom (talk) 16:18, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
Some time back, and you were around for it (as far as Muppets interacting with celebrities and what qualifies a person; a few questions crop up here and there, like photos at red carpet events, but it's given us a solid point of reference). See Category talk:Celebrities. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 17:39, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
Oh, okay. You said that "by now" we have firm guidelines on Celebrities, and I read that as: We just figured this out recently. I looked at the Celebrities talk and it was from 2008, so I thought I'd missed something. :) My mistake! -- Danny@fandom (talk) 19:04, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I meant by now in contrast to the earliest days of the Wiki when we all just created pages for anybody who struck our fancy. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 20:25, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Good Boy! pagesEdit

So sorry about the Good Boy pages! I didn't think they would mind, since the characters from Cats & Dogs have their own pages. Thanks for the message!

Andrew's talk archiveEdit

Thanks! Edit

Hey thanks for the message about renaming pages.I understand and I must say it was really confusing after I renamed the page and couldn't fix it.Thanks again for your help.

I'm back! Edit

I was MrSmartyMax in a past life, but here I am Try to block me forever, would you? I will not go away. And I am sorry for making those edits. SmartyGuy 11:23, May 23, 2011 (UTC)

Grover page Edit

I looked at the Grover page to see that he was holding a pistol. I deleted that. Now, where are the orginal pictures?

By the Way... Edit

Am I right to decide that K. Edgar Singer is the real villain from "Muppets from Space" or was that Dr. Tucker? I haven't even seen that movie.

Plus, I take it Nicky Holiday is the main antagonist of "The Great Muppet Caper".

Who is the one from "Muppets Take Manhattan"?

Hello! I am very new and still trying to figure this site out! --User talk:Canyonsong 22:17, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

Fraggle rock dvd images Edit

Well if they don't need screenshots then what should be there?Ghostytreat 07:17, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Just what already is there, information about what the DVD set contains, images of the packaging and the pitch book, and so on. That's all just fine for a merchandise page. A screenshot gallery is just clutter and kind of random. Thanks for understanding! -- Andrew Leal (talk) 07:38, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Source for Quarter/Caribou? Edit

Noticed you had uploaded a still from A Quarter Has a Caribou On It (http://muppet.wikia.com/index.php?title=File:Caribouquarter.jpg). What is your source? I've been trying to hunt down this Sesame Street video for quite some time.

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