I noticed that you took out a lot of descriptive colors from my recent additions of Muppet Babies clothes. I learned a lot in the past couple of years in terms of how much people with vision disabilities do appreciate these kinds of descriptions that might otherwise seem unnessessary or redundant to the seeing.
I guess I'll be fine if the characters' pages HAVE to be shortened and therefore lose that descriptive info, but thought that it was even of value BECAUSE I was later differentiating between original and reboot designs.
So, I wasn't just trying to fill up the page, but really tried to make a difference in keeping the visually impaired in mind - some of which have actually browsed this wiki. Just wanted to have that out there, since us folks of privilege might not always be privy to "looking" at things differently.
Hi, Julian! I love your expansions to those pages in general. You may have missed this but we have this as a regular problem with users on Sesame Street pages (and sometimes elsewhere). They constantly want to describe every single thing in an image, especially title cards and logos, and we've been weeding that out from the beginning.
I appreciate the thought on visual disabilities but I think that's a broader discussion worth having, rather than just doing on those specific pages (which are also the kind that attract our problem users, the too young, and the obsessive). But then we need to decide how to do it if we do, rather than just what seem like random "this is red" or "he is wearing shoes" sentences, which is exactly the kind of edit the aforementioned editors like to make.
So it's not just privilege but an ongoing housekeeping issue. I think what we'd have to do, if we assume say a text to speech device is being used for the visually impaired, is create different descriptive versions or even the equivalent of a language wiki (that might be possible), since every page would really need that treatment for every image and character to actually be helpful (all book pages would need "Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie are walking a dog on the cover" and so on). If it's just for the color blind, that too would probably need to be handled differently (maybe even incorporated on the chart). Plus for instances like Baby Bunsen, the coloring varies for his nightgown even on the page itself.
[Edited because I kissed you instead of missed you.]
But losing the sentence "The reboot changes his diapers" on the li'l pup's page was... unfortunate. I knew that "exchanges" shoulda been used, but it's not often that I try my rusty language skills at humor! ;-P
Can you now please block the user Tinyirnfist0? The message he or she has added on the previous message wall in the mean time is exactly the kind of hassle i was talking about.
The allegation that the tradition is only 170 years old is also incorrect, the tradition has a longer history of which the exact start date is unknown. The same applies for the character Black Pete: it is much older than 170 years and the exact start date for Black Pete is also unknown.
What Scott said, and what I keep telling both of you. If you want to argue with each other, do it somewhere else, not on Muppet Wiki. And if a thread is closed or removed, it's to prevent this kind of personal user disagreement. Don't bring it up on my or his wall again (this applies to both of you).
I have completed the page Zwarte Piet. Currently this traditional celebration is being beleaguered by a small group of activists. I have experienced this personally when the main page of one of my own wikis was vandalized cruelly.
For this reason i have the following question: could you protect the page Zwarte Piet so only staff can edit the page? When other contributors want to edit the page they can contact the staff, this way every edit is checked before it reaches the page.
Both sources are very reliable. The first is the YouTube channel of a nationwide newspaper that has a very long history while the second is the news-program and showbizz-newsprogram of a nationwide television channel.
Actually I'm afraid your edits will mostly be undone. Changing "black people" to "brown colored people" re Gerda Havertong isn't an improvement, and most of what you added isn't actually sourced or speculative or just not what we cover. We won't be getting into larger debates on that page and don't really need to protect unless edit warring does become an issue.
Just keep in mind this is primarily a Muppet Wiki, so stuff like "meant to be scary" and so on has nothing to do with the characters' appearances on Sesamstraat.
I took out the whole chimney soot stuff (I think added by other users) likewise because it hasn't actually affected what's been on the show.
If the page is protected, it will be because of mutual back and forthing between you and other users. So please try to avoid that. We discussed this with you a year ago here.
We're in a middle of a worldwide protest against systemic racism and you updated a page so you can defend a tradition that is basically part of it. One that is only 170 years old. Even your government officials now want to remove Zwarte Piet.
I explained in the edit summary. The image size should be 300px and the image properly placed (in Pepe's case, it's really not a very good picture to start with so it definitely needs to go further down). Please read Muppet Wiki:Image Policy for basic info.
I hope I didn't bother or upset you and Scott with telegraphing my frustrations about not being able to do certain things, especially related to contents of episodes. If I did, please forgive me. I'm just doing some 'minor' editing on some links now, but these are more for 'appearance' and hopefully don't affect the content of an episode. One question - if I do come across an episode which hasn't been tabled yet, and it already contains some information inserted by another user, and the 'EKA' or 'First' episode is incorrect (or so I think), can I make an adjustment to it, or would you rather I 'held off' on that until the actual tabled guide is there? Just wondering. Thanks.
The "or so I think" is where the trouble lies, as has been mentioned to you in other areas. For one thing, without a table, it's not always clear if it *is* the same segment. If there's proof they are the same on the wiki (from the existing eka or first, but for the latter especially there really shouldn't be any correction needed unless it's a plain typo transposing numbers), and somebody just hasn't updated yet, go ahead. But it shouldn't have anything to do with what you (or any other user) thinks.
And as Scott has mentioned, if you want to start "Is this the same segment" threads (in some cases not answerable yet, but that's happened before), that's always preferable to making a change based on a guess.
OK, thanks. If I do something like this, it will be with utmost care and discretion. Like you mention, only if it's a case of something simply not being updated yet, and I can convincingly prove my case, shall I proceed. Thanks again.
Hi! I've been waiting a year for the Carol Burnett episodes that mention Sesame Street to come back around, so that I could tape the scenes and write out the actual dialogue. I also saw one that I missed last year, which is the episode that had the Poppyseed sketch. While they cut that half out, that same episode had Don Rickles being a painter who gets into a fight with Harvey, and there's a Sesame joke in that sketch, too. Anyway, can you look at the page? I didn't know how we handle the bullet points when an episode has more than one reference in it. I didn't want to put another bullet point under the first one, so right now, it's sticking out without one. If you can make it look better, that would be great. Also, the end credits of that episode show them saying good night from the Sesame-ish set, so I'm guessing that was either the final musical number, or it was the other half hour. I'm dying here waiting for the entire run of complete shows to show up on streaming. It's either that, or try to figure out which DVD sets have which shows on them. Finding the reference books that have show by show guides was fantastic, and now I can watch shows in context and figure out the difference between production order and broadcast order.
One little tidbit I figured out was that while Jim Nabors was always the first show of the year, it was never the first one shot. But they acted in the show like it was, with dialogue like, "Hey, it's our first show back!" and stuff like that. I was even more shocked to learn that the very first show was taped third. The first show shot wasn't shown until January of 1968. That's the one I want to see, to see if I can see any mistakes, or the cast kind of being unsure how to play their characters, because it was the very first time in front of an audience.
Anyway, thanks for your help, and I know I owe you a bunch of stuff to write about soon!
Anyway, can you look at the page? I didn't know how we handle the bullet points when an episode has more than one reference in it. I didn't want to put another bullet point under the first one, so right now, it's sticking out without one. If you can make it look better, that would be great.
I "bulleted" that, but I did not know you were intending to leave that one "sticking out." I thought it was a formatting mistake. My bad.
I almost created a page of its own for the film, just to have this lovely poster up as well, but figured that the brief scene really doesn't warrant it. But it's still quite a funny, utterly odd addition. I became aware of the film through the German dub, led by comedian Oliver Kalkofe (partly responsible for Der Wixxer, which you once added). Here's the English-subtitled trailer for it. Weird stuff!
Delayed response for medical reasons, but every time I tell Scott "This is the weirdest visual mention to date," I just *know* there's something even stranger out there. (This time, they'll have to work overtime though!)
Better mostly. I was knocked down by a hit and run driver (still waiting to return to work and get physical therapy, but lots of friends have been helping and the state's crime victims services fund will cover medical costs), but alas my doctor was not Linda Lavin and it did not lead to a dull but lucrative advertising career.
I've been sitting on a small addition to the wiki for some time now, and never really knew where it could fit in. I always thought that this might be of interest to you in particular, with it coming from an international animation angle of sorts, so maybe you'll be able to help find a place for this on here?
If you're familiar with the 1986 animated film Valhalla (Christopher Lee voiced Thor for Germany!), you might also be aware of Peter Madsen's comic book series of the same name. A few years ago I thumbed through one of the German editions, and found this fun little Muppet reference inside:
Great find! (and I was aware of the animated feature). There's a comics book section on Minor Comics Mentions, but doesn't leave room for a lot of context (or connections). Right now my gut feeling is it probably deserves its own page, even if it is brief. I'll look at it again or discuss it with Scott later.
You're welcome! Generally, next to the Edit thingummy, under history, there's "Rename." For established and often vandal targeted pages like Kermit the Frog, that's admin restricted, but anyone can move when it's just correcting a typo, spelling or formatting, or matching an on-screen title. Anything beyond that, like renaming a character or sketch page that's not consistently labeled, we usually discuss first, but almost all of us have occasionally misspelled or left an extra space in an article title and had to fix.
I'll be taking over for HighJewElfKing but just like Charlie, I'm here to help out however I can, just let me know. You can usually find me on Discord (my username is penguinstyles#9735), however, I'm happy to use whatever contact medium you prefer.
If you have any questions for me, please let me know. I'll try to respond to them as quickly as I can.