Brandon, I don't think it's working out for you here on Muppet Wiki. Several of us have had to chat with you about various things, and while I'd hoped you'd learn the ropes here, I just don't think we're a match. The place you really want to be is on YouTube, where you can share video clips and talk about them with the community. I'm sorry that Muppet Wiki hasn't been what you're looking for, but I see great things for your channel on YouTube.
Please stop posting messages of the kind you're leaving for User:Hooperfan. As Jon told you further down the page, "Please stop asking users here to upload video clips that, more than likely, they do not have." Telling Shane (who's also an admin and was trying to explain to you why the request isn't helpful) that it's for *if* they somehow get it at some point in the future doesn't make it any different.
In fact another admin (Guillermo) had previously deleted the "Season 1 Episode 12" thread for that reason. You either didn't see his deletion message or just ignored it. So please stop. We don't want to remind you again.
I'm sorry for posting lots of messages like this. I kept forgetting to pay attention to this warning you sent me. I'll try hard not to post anymore messages regarding the rare videos so that I won't be blocked.
Now the good news is that I did find two ultra-rare skits from Season 1 I had on my list, those which I never saw before. Don't worry about any of the problems with these two clips (whether they're incomplete or in a different language), just watch them and enjoy! :)
Well, when they were first recording the songs back in the 70's (long before this video was released), I have evidence they actually put audience sound effects in most of their songs in their album versions, before they started airing the songs on TV with the audience sound effects muted. By the time the Monster Hits video came out, they switched the songs to their album versions (the ones that have audience sound effects) so that to remind the viewers there was an audience in the show.
I noticed it when I had the headphones on and turned the volume all the way high on moments of silence. I tested this out on some songs including We Are All Monsters, Near Far Monsters, and J Friends. And yes, I can still hear some of the audience cheering in the back, only when I turn the volume all the way high, especially when I have the headphones on.
Hi, Brandon. We've asked you specifically to work on something else and stop making edits about "early Elmo." At this point, I'll have to be very blunt (and this is a warning from an administrator). Please take a break from editing Elmo for awhile. We've reverted your edits several times re Jerry Nelson, and included edit summaries noting that we don't track every background performer or one-timer. That's how we handle major characters.
Harvey Monster, Maurice Monster, and other minor character pages have performer specifics because they're shorter, because someone chose to add them but they weren't disruptive to the existing text, and it's easier to integrate the info (in most cases, in the list of skits they appeared in rather than in the text; those pages need to be adjusted, and clearly we can't do that for Elmo, not practical). There's one cited and sourced example for Jerry Nelson (based on photographic evidence, which is a best source) so we don't need to include every skit where we know or think it might have been him. Your additions altered a reference tag (so it cited the wrong statement), repeated info, and just throw things off.
So please, while we know you mean well, just stop editing the Elmo page (at least until you've proved to us that you really understand what we've been asking you). We might look at it again after Christmas based on your editing and communication history. Thank you.
Thanks. I won't edit Elmo for a while. Plus, I'm gonna have to, for a while, take a break from looking for clips of Muehl's Elmo online, people said they didn't have these clips and it's gonna be a while until they surface online. Right now I'm focused on trying to produce a Powerpuff Girls/Dexter's Lab crossover movie because there was no official crossover TV movie for it. So the Powerpuff Girls/Dexter's Lab crossover movie is more important than the clips of Muehl's Elmo.
What's your first name? I'm not going to have a conversation with you and call you a Big Fat Loser.
I think it's great that you're really excited about Elmo's early appearances, but uploading videos to the wiki and collecting them on your user page probably isn't the best way to express that enthusiasm. I suggest instead creating a YouTube playlist that you can share and comment on with your friends.
Finally, to reiterate Jon's note below, if you don't find a clip on YouTube, it's not very likely anyone here is going to be able to provide it to you. You might have better luck looking for collections on ebay, trading DVDs on Muppet Central, and/or reaching out to users on YouTube.
In the meantime, please change your name to Dexter on your profile. If you wish to continue on this wiki, you need to communicate with other members of the community. We're not going to call you "BigRedMonster86".
You're welcome. :)
My username change will take awhile to appear as "BigDexterMan86," though.
I wish to also become one of the admins of Muppet Wiki, since I can help out with looking for more rare classic/early Sesame Street clips that haven't surfaced because I back up some of the rare Sesame clips on my YouTube channel.
We're not in need of any admins right now, but thanks for your interest.
Please do not post any more videos to the wiki. As I stated earlier in this thread, YouTube is the best place for you to be reaching out to other people to collaborate on that. Thanks for understanding.
You're welcome. Now... even though some of the classic Sesame clips haven't surfaced online, do they have these VHS-recorded tapes of these clips available on eBay or DVD trades on MuppetCentral? And by the way, I'm curious where this image of the original Near and Far skit came from.
Please stop asking users here to upload video clips that, more than likely, they do not have. This, as well as posting what "might have" happened on threads and articles which you're still doing, is not productive to this Wiki. As Andrew already said, your behavior is becoming disruptive, and if the same problems persist, you are going to be blocked.
Hi, I appreciate your love of Elmo and curiosity about his early period. But at this point, it would be wisest to find something else to work on.
I'm not sure you really understand the word speculation, so repeating it again: it means guessing, assuming, saying something is "likely" but not based on actual evidence, or adding anything because you want it to be that way. Some of your other changes (saying Muehl conceived Elmo as speaking in sounds, which is not what the cited presskit source says) alter meaning.
I strongly encourage you to work on some other articles and not keep asking users where to find clips, speculating on discussions, or within articles. This is becoming disruptive.
You're welcome. I'll instead try messaging some users on YouTube, including Sesame Maniac, if they got any clips of Elmo with his Brian Muehl voice. Sesame Maniac's the guy who's got many rare clips on his YT channel.
Hi, I removed your comment on Elmo's Debut Year. That thread is in the "Article Content" section and if you read through the discussion, pertains to a specific issue and where to find info.
Side comments, speculation on what a character who may or may not exist may have looked like, and on clips never being available just isn't helpful. We want to keep that thread clutter free for when anyone is able to contact people or find any new information. You can express any of your thoughts on Baby Monster/Elmo on your own wall or user page, of course. Thanks for understanding.
Hi, you didn't respond to the first message. Please don't post predictions, wild guesses, and so on to that thread. Speculating about an early puppet from a skit not in circulation being redressed as Elmo just doesn't help in the least nor fit the evidence.
If you want to express those on your own wall or user page, as I said before, that's fine. But stop adding them to that thread. Additions to that thread, and the notifications the contributors receive, suggest that actual information has been found, so it's best not to post there if you haven't actually found an interview or correspondence or any actual evidence. Thank you, and please respond here so we know you understand these messages.
I understand you, Aleal. But I was just wanting to know of the Baby Monster from 1972 had the same appearance as Elmo but without his nose. Little Jerry appeared without his nose in Season 1 as an unnamed AM.
And once again, you added speculation. "I'm thinking the Baby Monster looks almost-completely like Elmo except that he has no nose" is speculation. Keep it here, not on that thread. Elmo has never been an Anything Muppet, so there's no reason to assume the puppet would ever have been missing a nose.
I'm afraid I'll have to be blunt. If I have to remove one more of your speculative replies (that was the third; and twice so far that you seemingly ignored or failed to understand a specific instruction not to do something), you will be blocked.
Okay, I won't do it anymore. I'll instead talk about it on my own discussion board, because I wasn't this smart to explain Elmo's earliest appearances. Sorry I posted these unrelated Elmo topics thrice on the Elmo's Debut Year discussion page. And I was confused because I saw a [video] of a Season 1 skit "Before and After", where there was a green anything muppet resembling Little Jerry but with no nose, before the real Little Jerry puppet debuted in Season 2. This is what led me to believe that the Baby Monster puppet (from 1970-71) who would become Elmo had no nose back then. Can you explain what you think what that Baby Monster looked like in Seasons 2-3, before the real Elmo even debuted in Season 11?
What we think the character looked like doesn't matter and can only be guess work (and as said, Little Jerry is an Anything Muppet, so featured or costumes are changed on the same puppet or an identical pattern; Elmo is nothing like that).
If any further evidence surfaces, trying to reconcile Carroll Spinney's memories and the facts as to when the puppet debuted, or any clips of the "Baby Monster" noted in the archive material, we will post it in that thread. But we don't have any evidence yet (and please don't ask us when we will, everything we're trying or considering is noted in that thread, which is exactly why we don't want "I think he was pink and polka dotted" guesswork getting in the way, or however many different ways we could imagine what a character we haven't seen looks like.)
Okay, I got you now. So now I understand that Elmo was never an AM (Sesame Street: A Celebration - 40 Years of Life on the Street mistakenly considered Elmo an AM when he appeared on various skits before Kevin Clash took on the character). And now I know that the character didn't have any changes with his appearance (originally, Elmo had much smaller eye pupils and had messier fur, but over time, Elmo later had bigger eye pupils and his fur was combed down). Well, there's no clip of the Baby Monster on the Internet, so I intend not to look for clips of Baby Monster's appearances on skits from Seasons 2-3 (i.e. One skit where he wonders what "is" is) because I know that is impossible. The clips from Seasons 12-15 where Elmo was performed by Brian Muehl is more important to me (another thing I've been attempting to collect is a Powerpuff Girls/Dexter's Lab crossover). The other Sesame clips from that era don't matter anyway, other than the ones I personally wanted to download so I can watch them anytime while there's no Internet. Personally I wanted to see Elmo with his voice by Brian Muehl from Seasons 12 or 15 more than any other Classic Sesame Street/Early Elmo clip, and personally I wanted to see a Powerpuff Girls/Dexter's Lab crossover TV movie more than any other crossover of the other TV shows, both of which, I assume, don't exist. I've been overly looking all over the Internet all around, and there are still no videos of the Powerpuff Girls/Dexter's Lab crossover TV movie and the original Elmo with his original Brian Muehl voice. So far I have only a clip from the beginning of my own animated crossover sitcom "Powerpuff Girls & Dexter and DeeDee & Robot Jones Super Show," plus some other old Muppet clips I have, including the beginning part of the original Rubber Duckie song from 1969, that one I'm still waiting for a full version for someone to post.