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  • Hi, Brad. I like what you're trying to do with Sandbox:Mother Goose Stories characters, but I removed a lot of the redlinks because they're already on the episode pages (and we don't know when or if a lot of those will be filled). You may have missed past forum discussions but it's an ongoing problem with Special:WantedPages that it can't list more than 1,000 pages, which means when redlinks overflow it (especially of ones we might not even want), it makes it harder to get to the single page redlinked entries we do want (or once enough start populating, things like redlinks from talkpages, deleted spam redlinks, misspellings, or even fandom errors start showing up so we can repair them). The ability to filter anything out of it has also been broken for years. Since we don't really use sandboxes to create pages or invite users to fill them as a rule, I've unlinked for now.

    Child actors with no other findable credits than Mother Goose, I'm unlinking except on a single character or episode page on the off chance (but for those who were in three or four episodes, once you've filled in images and character names, then at least a page could be created with a gallery, which wouldn't just be a repetitious stub and also a potential way to handle some of the child characters where everything that can be said about them is in the plot summary).

    Also, remember out policy on character names? Don't use "Blank the Blank" unless they're explicitly called that in dialogue/credits, and "The" likewise only if it's used that way. Thanks!

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    • Thanks, I wasn't aware of redlinks caused a problem. I'll keep that in mind.

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    • Nice work filling blanks (I may have to do just a little more temporarly delinking) and especially on Royalty (Mother Goose Stories). I appreciate the nod to Kings (The StoryTeller) (I've been meaning for ages to eventually add queens and princesses; princes are generally fewer).

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    • Yeah, looks good. I especially appreciate creating catch-all pages for dogs and sheep from the show. Clearly not every one of them is notable enough for its own article, so this is a good way to handle it.

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  • Heya. What's wrong with Category:Mother Goose Stories Episodes?

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    • I uploaded the title cards for all 39 stories. There are a few discrepancies between the titles we have (from old Henson.com lists) and that the streaming/digital services use, and the way they actually appear on screen. I listed the differences below, I'll leave it up to you or other admins to make any appropriate moves if necessary.

      Article titles different from title cards:

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    • Gah, it's annoying that the title cards don't use commas. But yeah, those article names should match the title cards per our MoS. I'll go ahead and move them.

      Thanks also for switching to JPG, they all load so much faster now.

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  • Hey man, regarding all the Henson sandbox stuff... didn't you start a bunch of Henson wikis? Opie's Home is never going to be a thing we cover here.

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    • Yeah, there are wikis out there for in-depth coverage of Henson Alternative and HDPS projects. To be clear I'm not necessarily looking to start additional articles here and I have no personal interest in creating articles on things like Opie's Home or Word Party. I do want our work to be consistent and complete. My goal with the sandbox page was simply to create a thorough filmography of projects from the Henson Company since we don't always give each one it's own page or category or additional coverage. At least there'd be a single resource of what they've done (and readers can always go elsewhere for details on what those things are).

      However, out of curiosity, why would we never cover Opie's Home here? We've covered Pajanimals and X•tink•shun.

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    • Certainly the one article rule applies, but to use your example, what's currently at the Pajanimals article is probably way more than we need.

      I'm for the Sandbox article, and I agree about being consistent. I was just curious where else that page might be heading.

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    • Understandable.

      I think the Sandbox article helps show what we have covered (and what we haven't) and maybe it'll help us better track and reign things in. I agree the Pajanimals article could/should be trimmed down; same could probably be said for Sid the Science Kid and some others. Going through the list and doing some clean-up to make things articles a bit more uniform wouldn't hurt.

      I don't want to open floodgates here for creating pointless articles on peripheral projects, nor do I want to come across like I'm trying to get stuff thrown out by using pedantic whataboutism - but I like consistency.

      And we're not 100% consistent in our coverage right now, and it might just be that no one has had the interest/time/desire to create certain articles, but...

      Right now I'm not personally looking to start articles on the 12 red-linked productions that we haven't covered yet, but the completest in me wouldn't oppose them.

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    • You're not wrong. Those are good examples of how we can check to see if we're being consistent, but I feel like we need to be careful not to jump into the "if this, then that" question too much.

      That said, a list is far better than branching out for now, so I'm glad you put that together. It will be helpful to use for reference when the question comes up as to whether or not we should cover it, treating each one on a case-by-case basis.

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  • What a fun page! I hope you don't mind that I added a few things to it.

    And, as at one point these become less "rare," we could always title it "Muppets Without..."

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    • There are some things I have thought about adding (particularly certain characters without hats), but am thinking about how few/common they should be. I do question the Statler without Waldorf/Waldorf without Statler a little, I think I'd prefer it to be entire episodes/productions with just one (which would be a lot more rare), but whatever. 

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    • Feel free to add! It's in the sandbox so we can all play around with the concept of tracking these types of things.

      And if we eventually find out that something is more commonplace than we originally thought, it can always be dropped (like we did with Oscar outside his trashcan) or, if it's interesting enough, spun-off into it's own article/list.

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  • Hey Brad. You were there when our limits for coverage were being discussed back in 2009-10. Our policy for Henson Company puppet productions post-2004 is "one article per production," so I don't see much use at the moment for Gina Carano. Ditto Paul Rugg (much as I'd like to have him on the Wiki) and the other redlinked celebrities you added here.

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    • Agree on holding off until at least the premiere. This isn't like a Muppet or Sesame project that we'd be all over as the info comes out.

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    • Also just one additional note since I've linked this conversation in the "sources" section of Muppet Wiki:Coverage...

      The whole point of the distinction between the post-1990 and post-2004 stuff is because the Henson Company kept signaling that it was getting further and further away from doing the Muppets and it just didn't make sense to cover every detail of every project they did. Could you imagine if we had pages for all the background characters in Jim Henson's Enchanted Sisters?

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  • Hi, Brad. I know it's only a week away, but when you add Category:Muppets Now Characters to a page, can you make sure the text actually specifies it and, if possible, how we know they're on it? Kermit, Piggy, Scooter, etc. are givens, but Howard Tubman isn't mentioned on Muppets Now and I don't see his picture on the page (if the character's in a trailer or promo, it would be a good idea to mention it in the summary). Right now I'm not really sure what the source was for him and one or two others.

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    • 10-4. Sorry about that.

      All the characters I added were either mentioned by name in the official episode descriptions and/or appeared in the show footage featured in the trailer. Howard is in the trailer at the 0:46 mark with RuPau; he is pictured on the page but the gallery crops him out. And Bill Barretta also hinted at him being in the show on his podcast a few weeks back.

      I left out those who have only appeared in promotional materials but haven't been seen in any actual show footage yetl. So no Dr. Teeth, Janice, Floyd, Zoot, Rizzo, Sweetums, Rowlf, Bobo, Camilla, or Foo-Foo (even though they appear via stock photos on posters, or were in the faux video conference announcement video). And I held off on the mole, the Whatnot and the chicken (could be Camilla or just a generic bird) until we have more info on who/what they are.

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    • Thanks for the clarification. Yeah, background Muppets in particular, it's never clear if they'll be in the actual show (for that matter, consider the 2015 presentation pilot, with Walter and a bunch of background critters who wouldn't make the final show).

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  • BertAndErniePainting

    Hey man, do you remember which sketch the upper-left screenshot comes from?

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  • Hey Brad! We recently made placeholder pages for every episode of Sesame Street, so I edited Template:SS-Episode-Guide-Meter to remove the code related to non-existant pages.

    However, I'd like to show the distinction between the three new levels of episode pages on List of Sesame Street episodes and I'm having trouble with the code.

    Is there a way to display the meter in three portions again? The difference being to display them as they're defined in the key:

    Key
    • Episode XXXX Kermiteye — full episode guide
    • Episode XXXX Kermiteye — complete guide (but lacks imagery)
    • Episode XXXX Kermiteye — episode page exists
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    • I was thinking, would it help if there were a third identifier?

      Like {{eg|none}} as something for the code to look for?

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    • Hmmm... the code worked off counting the number of articles in categories.

      We don't categorize guide lacking imagery differently so I don't think it can auto-count the content of the page.

      We could re-code the meter but would have to manually update the numbers from time to time (ctrl+F and searching {{eg}}, {{eg|20}} and {{eg|none}} could give us quick counts) but I don't know if there's a way for the wiki to automatically pull those numbers.

      Or we could categorize the guides without images separately to get the wiki to count them for us.

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    • Ah, okay. It's probably not worth creating a third category just for the duration of this project. Hopefully we're done with the guides sometime this year and it won't be necessary anymore.

      I'll probably just post an update every now and then like I did here.

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  • Hello I'm trying to find video of the muppets on the view in 2014? Episode 218 
    I wanted to know if there was video for it

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  • Hi! Can I delete [[Sandbox:Emmet Otter's Jug-Band Christmas variations]] or is there still stuff that needs to be worked into Emmet_Otter's_Jug-Band_Christmas_edits#Comparison_table ??

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    • I got everything off there; you can nuke it.

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    • Cool beans. And, nice work! We appear to have the definitive document for Emmet Otter edits 👍

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    • I don't have access to a copy of the special from the 1970s (either the '77 CBC or '78 HBO airing) so I can't check some of the things in the first column, hopefully someone with access to the early cut can confirm what is/isn't in there. The Paley Center has a copy, but that's not really easily available.

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    • Guillermo included it in his doc although I'm not sure we're sure that the CBC, HBO, and MHV edits are 100% the same. I'm gonna ask in the main thread Thread:259852.

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