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  • Hi, Jon, repeating what we've said before. You don't need to repeat to one admin what you already discussed with one or more other admins, especially when it's an unrelated topic. Really, you should keep your messages to administrators to one topic at a time, not bringing up any other subject or other edits if they're not actually involved.

    Thanks!

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    • OK, Andrew, thanks.  It's just that you and Jonathan got back to me almost simultaneously (or so I think) and Jonathan explained that the 'Rename' option in the 'Edit' drop-down menu is only restricted to admins now.

      I guess I like to 'kill two birds with one stone,' and talk about two things in the same exchange.  But if you'd rather have me do 'separate and distinct' exchanges, one for each topic, I'll do that.  Since the migration and the 'page renaming' policy are two unrelated things, I'll keep them in separate 'message.chains.' 

      Thanks again.

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    • I'm talking about your bringing the rename up to Scott for no real reason at all (or your concern about your user page which you also already brought up on Jon's thread). It just means another admin repeats what you've already been told, and we have to take the time to respond. Choose one admin to ask a question to.

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    • Yes, that's right.  I did discuss it with Scott after he asked me to work on a Sandbox page, i.e. an unrelated topic.  By rights, I should have limited my conversation about the page renaming (and why I don't see 'Rename' on the 'Edit' menu) to Jonathan.

      Sorry about the 'scattered' approach I've been taking.  I'll try to keep it to 'one topic and one administrator at a time' (unless of course the administator refers me to another administrator).

      On a related note, would you prefer if I directed all my initial questions - one topic at a time - to you first (before I try to get hold of Shane, Scott, Jonathan, etc.)?  Unless, of course, they ask me something first.  Thanks.

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  • Hey Jon, can you take a look at all the different versions of Sesame's opening sequence and add anything that's missing from this?

    Sandbox:Sesame Street openings/Muppets on location

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    • Sounds good. But again, please see that you're getting the proper medical attention. Throwing yourself into the wiki can only do so much.

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    • Will try to explore possibilities.  Thanks.

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  • I'm undoing all of your changes to put Jeff Hale on the Typewriter segments for now. There's conflicting info (and you should be careful when adding "Artist" anyway to segments; while we use it as a shorthand, on some pages it's just there because someone's studio produced it, not necessarily the correct person).

    I don't have a copy of the Old School booklet to check exactly how they phrased it, and for now it's okay to leave that on The Typewriter. It's sourced. But the trusted document we've been using to fill in details IDs it instead as being the same studio that did The Bridgekeeper (and they do look rather alike). No director named, and that studio is so obscure even I haven't found anything on it. It's okay for now since Old School sourced it to leave it on the pages, but don't put Jeff Hale as the director of every segment when he might not even have been involved (it will be easier to fix on just two pages than for every segment which, since it's a recurring piece, it's not as useful anyway).

    Thanks!

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    • OK, so all I have to do it change the 'Firsts' for the 'Bob on the ice' segment to Episode 0279, as opposed to writing a note on Episode 0213.  I was editing it while I believe you were updating your response to me, and Shane got in on editing, too.  Hence three cooks were in the broth!:)

      In the meantime, I making progress on my 'Typewriter Jeff Hale removal' project - almost done with 'J.'    

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    • Hi, Andrew:

      Just wanted to let you know that I am finished removing Jeff Hale as the artist from all Typewriter segments, A through Z.  While some did not have his name listed at all, I still checked through all of them to make sure that the wording was the same for all segments of the same letter (all 'Typewriter F's, for instance).  However, if the wording differed between two different segments, say, 'Typewriter F' and 'Typewriter G,' then I left it thus.  I had to sometimes decide in certain cases - like 'Typewriter X' - since that's where I believe you 'stopped' me halfway through, and some segments were worded one way, others another way, so I 'unified' everything.  As you can see from the edit summaries, I tried to let others know what I was 'focusing on,' so hopefully this helped!

      Thanks and take care!   

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  • Hi, per past discussions. If you're changing descriptions of inserts, you need to change it for every usage and keep it consistent. Some, you've added eat and some you haven't. Trying to figure out what you were doing (the couple of summaries did help), I undid one. Feel free to correct, just make sure they all match when you're done, for search engine purposes and guide consistency. Thanks!

    Most of the time though, you're probably better off correcting the word error (in this case "everybody" versus "everything") then trying to list them all. That simplifies the process for everyone and also avoids "Wait, I forgot to add one" issues.

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    • Sounds good! And except when there's a character already specified, "Voice: So and so" (the same way we list animators when known) is the simplest way, so you handled that nicely.

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    • Thanks.  Glad I can help.  I'll resume my going through Season 2 and getting rid of EKA's and Firsts for repeated segments (as well as 'polishing up' some Dot Bridge documentation, if need be).

      Also, I hope I'm not 'speaking too soon' or 'getting off topic,' but Guillermo is making good progress on Season 4.  Some of the segments of which I have fond memories, and one for which I created a page, are coming up very soon in terms of their first appearance, so if and when they surface, don't be surprised to see me going 'gung ho' in adding them to episodes.  Just wanted to let you know.  Thanks.

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  • Please don't take numbers off the Dot Bridges, just as you were asked not to on the other bridges. Even with a description, the actual Dot Bridge table organizes them by number (no anchored links yet, but that could easily be done to go straight to the section). That's useful info. The removal is not.

    As a general rule, if you've been asked not to change something on one kind of segment, odds are you shouldn't on another segment.

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    • And what I said: is the page an article yet? Your "Beginning-End series" page has a title you came up with (not sourced from anything) and is basically just a gallery. With a production company or other information beyond images, it could be an article. It isn't yet. Again, everything Scott said before. It's basically repetition right now. If you found out they all had the same director or production company, then it's easier to group them as a series. Right now nothing is known.

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    • OK, I understand.  I've been known to annoy some (or many) with my questions, but it just takes a little more 'reinforcement' to get me to understand certain things.  But I understand the essentials now.  Thanks for your patience - Andrew.

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  • Hi Jon! I've been viewing your inquiries about the sponsors in various different episodes and just wanted to give you my intake about them.

    Now, I currently don't have access to any footage or scripts given out by the anonymous source, but I almost want to think Scott and Shane are listing sponsors by how they were announced at the end of episodes. For example, in Episode 0131, although there are segments shown about 'G', 'J', 'K', 'M', 'N', 'Q', and 'U', the only letter that gets mentioned at the end is 'J'. It's possible that it's the same case with various other episodes such as Episode 0709 with only one letter getting credited at the end.

    Again, I may not have access to anything from the anonymous source, but what I just pointed out is my best guess.

    I hope this helps.

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    • OK, Frederic, thanks. Now I see where others may be coming from. However, I have apparently repeatedly raised the ire of several admins, and thus feel that my 'role' should be observer. No hard feelings, hopefully. Thanks again.

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    • No problem. I did witness your previous encounter with Scott and I found his response rather extreme (although I do understand his annoyance) so I thought I'd step in and give you my opinion.

      Also, what happened to your list of memories?

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    • Hi, Frederic:

      Thanks. I 'took down' my page. When everything 'returns to normal,' I might put it back up. For now, though, it would be best if I just observe. Thanks again.

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  • D72jjpilc wrote via Thread:253692#126...

    As always, I'm glad to help, though, as many know, that is mainly limited to fixing typos, adding pictures and/or text (with discretion, of course) to guides yet to be 'tabled,' and - my favorite - checking with admins about sponsors for episodes (only kidding on the last one, but it is true to an extent!)

    Hi Jon, a few things that would help us out a lot with building episode guides are the articles for letters of the alphabet, and Sesame Street Animal Films. When we build a guide, it's often most easy to find the sketch that needs to be inserted by looking at an existing sketch page, and these two areas could use some help.

    Basically, any animal film you can find in a guide that's not already on Sesame Street Animal Films would be helpful. As for the letters, these are the pages that could use galleries in the same format you can find on the A article:

    A good way to find episodes that they sponsor is to use the WhatLinksHere feature:

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    • I'm not sure what part of the notice on my message wall is unclear.

      That said, D is a good start. If you look at what links to it you should be able to find the other ones. Thanks for the help!

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    • OK, then I assume you mean that even if a clip is 'audio-only' format, you are still 'sharing it' or 'giving it away.' I thought you were referring to actual 'video footage,' but then again, I guess even an 'audio-only' version of a segment or episode is still, by rights, a segment or episode in the first place.

      I just did 'F,' 'G,' 'I,' and 'J' on the letter pages (i.e. converting them to galleries). But, like you mention, I can go to the respective 'link referral' page to see which particular segments in the entire history of the show are 'connected' to it.

      Once again, nice job on the video! Thanks for responding, and hopefully no hard feelings as to how I interpreted the terms of your 'anonymous source' notice.

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  • Jon, I've removed several of your additions to episode pages because the new information you've added isn't sourced by anything cited on the page.

    For example, Episode 0498 says the information comes from the Tucson Daily Citizen, but your changes don't reflect that. I'm assuming what you added came from another page that cited Episode 0498 as its first appearance, but it's confusing for readers without doing a lot of cross-checking.

    Please don't do this. Those episodes will be gotten to.

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    • OK, I understand what you mean about changing the wording of a segment.  Like I mentioned,  I just randomly chose that segment on that episode and used the more 'descriptive' version (found in another episode) and 'copy-and-pasted' it.  I guess what you're saying is if I do it for one, I should do it for all (or try to).

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    • Yes please. The best way to do that is to check "what links here" using the image that corresponds to the segment.

      For example, say you reworded the description of the segment that corresponds to File:4115w.jpg. If you use the WhatLinksHere tool, you'll see every episode guide where that segment is used. In this case it would be Special:WhatLinksHere/File:4115w.jpg.

      If the segment you changed the wording for didn't have an image yet, you can Google the exact phrase in quotes with Muppet Wiki set as the source. It would look like this: [1]

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  • Hi, Jon. It's okay to leave redlinks in the navigation box at the bottom of Sesame episode pages. Where once it didn't look like a lot of those were going to get filled until a very long time, we're looking at a situation where we will realistically have a page for every episode in the near future.

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    • Honestly, I wouldn't bother with making tabled guides, Jon. We'll be getting to all of them eventually with better materials. I would just focus on the Firsts and EKAs like we talked about earlier. There's a lot of them missed.

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    • Ok, Scott, I'll stick to 'EKA' and 'First' links for now. While the information on Seasons 11 and 12 from the University of Maryland does help a lot, there are a lot of segments in there whereas, even though they're in the correct order of appearance, they say very little about what the segment actually is (like the examples I gave - RELATIONAL CONCEPT:'beginning/end' and LETTER RECOGNITION:'b' - to name a couple).

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  • Hi!

    We're currently having a discussion, see Thread:253692, regarding making episode pages with one sourced insert on them. If you want to chime in, feel free to write your opinion on the matter in the discussion. But until we reach a consensus, I'd recommend leaving these be the for time being.

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    • OK, Shane, I'll read the discussion and make a contribution, if I feel it's necessary. However, I'll stop my 'practice' of doing this after I finish Episode 1476 (until, of course, some sort of agreement is reached). It's just that I see a lot of 'red-colored' links on recently added pages and want to 'fill in the blanks' as much as possible, even if it means creating a page with only one 'clip' included on it. But then again, I'll put this on hold until I get a 'green light' to resume it (if and when it happens). Thanks.

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