Scarecroe

aka Scott Hanson

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Related to the work we've been doing with expanding our Sesame Street episode guides (Thread:253692), you may be seeing some visuals uploaded by myself that won't have been seen anywhere before. I can't tell you where I got them, and I won't be posting (many) clips or sharing these materials outside of the wiki. I know there's content that fans have been craving to see for many years, but we're beholden to the trust of our anonymous and reliable sources. As co-founder, and an active member of maintaining the integrity of this wiki since 2005, I ask for your patience while we work through this content. Any requests on my wall for the acquisition of these materials will be ignored. Thanks for understanding.


Creating a Sesame Street episode guide

Creating a Sesame Street episode guide

UPDATE: Partially in response to the fact that I continue to get inundated with requests related to this project (and partially for historical documentation), I put together a video to demonstrate the process through which we go to put together a single episode guide. The recording time took two hours which I edited down to 90 minutes, but this is a typical time frame as you'll see in the video. Click the embedded media to the right to launch the video within the wiki, or follow through to YouTube where I've included timestamps to areas of interest. Thanks again for your continued support and understanding.
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  • How Doglion got it a name 

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  • Hey man, I remember that we once had a little box at the bottom of each of the films' pages, with handy links to the other films. I don't remember why we got rid of that eventually, but I was wondering if we could possibly create a simple navigator bar, just like the one we've got for any of the TV shows' episode pages, letting us more conveniently jump back and forth between the individual Muppet movies?


    If we used the navigator at hand, of course it'd say "Previous episode" and "Next episode," so that doesn't work. Could we employ one that simply says "Previous film" and "Next film" instead? Like, so (for The Great Muppet Caper):

    {{nav|film|prev=''[[The Muppet Movie]]''|next=''[[The Muppets Take Manhattan]]''}}

    Especially the different language dubs would be well served with that, as it's often a pain in the patootie to figure out which is which (thinking especially of the various different Spanish dubs out there). It'd even come in handy for the Eine Möhre für Zwei TV-movies. Of course we'd have to find some consensus, like only grouping the Muppet movies together, and the few Sesame movies (hey, a third one is in the works, after all), and maybe Creature Shop productions, not necessarily the entire timeline. If we really wanted to get fancy, we could do the same for specials.

    Of course, if we wanted to go all out, the navigator could have different levels, offering a "previous/next" for Muppet Movies on top, and below that, one for theatrical Henson-related features (including The Dark Crystal, Follow That Bird, Labyrinth, etc.), all the way down to Henson productions of any kind, all sorted by timeline. Though, such an endeavor might be... a little too complicated. Emoji-crazy

    So, to save time on upkeep, in addition to the simple nav-bar, we could also eye some kind of unified box at the very bottom; maybe something similar to what The Disney Wiki is offering, maybe something more condensed. Has that ever been discussed? (For now I'd be happy with a nav-bar; I'm just throwing additional thoughts out there.) Emoji-sing

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    • Heya. This definitely feels like something we discussed as a community at some point, but with Fandom taking away a lot of our functionality, those old conversations are getting more and more difficult to find.

      I have mixed feelings about navigation and I'm not sure what the right solution is. The previous/next model always felt clunky to me, and I personally think the collection of footers on Disney Wiki are awful.

      I think we should ask ourselves what exactly it is we're looking for. If it's just a chronological list of films (Muppet films, Creature Shop films, Eine Möhre für Zwei TV movies, etc), I think there's probably a better way to do that.

      Would something like Muppet movies work for Eine Möhre für Zwei TV movies?

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    • Yeah, looking closer, I agree about the very chunky footer solution on Disney, and with "more condensed," I had something more hidden, yet expansive (when expanded) in mind, similar to what Wikipedia is doing.

      If I'm in the minority in thinking that some more navigational ease would be a good thing, that's alright. But I still quite often find myself wishing for a previous/next navigator on the international dubs.

      That's why I once created International Muppet Movies (Germany), and still use it frequently; but it also presents one more extra step to navigate around. Would the creation of equal categories for Spain, Mexico, France, Italy, etc. be an acceptable way to congregate those dubs more efficiently, and better visualize the gaps still to be filled? Maybe one for the Möhre movies as well?

      And while a compromise, I still think that the casual visitor might be more likely to notice, and inclined to click on a "next film" link below to further explore, than to click on a category, though of course I cannot back up that notion.

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    • I think one of the problems with adding navigation to pages is that it adds one more thing we have to update. If a template can be made that would work on a hub-like category (like Category:International Muppet Movies (Germany)) as well as a footer on the pages from which it would be convenient to navigate from, it might be beneficial.

      I also think we should be careful with templates. We got to the point where we were using too many of them and for unnecessary reasons, so we cut out a bunch of them. Template:nav, for example, used to be several templates. If they can be consolidated, they should.

      What do you think about working something up in the sandbox so we can look at some options?

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    • I've tried, but coding is definitely not my forte... which is why I came to you. :)

      I might try a few more options, but in the meantime I'd plead for the creation of similar categories to the German solution, for other language dubs of which we've got at least three or more movie pages.

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  • Hey Scarecroe, it's been a minute. I hope you're staying healthy.

    I'm reaching out because the Muppet Wiki is due to be migrated over to the UCP pretty soon, I just wanted to see if you, or anyone in your community, had any close-to-last-minute questions or concerns? Please don't hesitate to let me know!

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    • Heya, thanks for those. I'm still waiting to hear back on whether this is intended behavior or not, will let you know as soon as I get a definitive answer.

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    • It's cool, man. They're working on it. Don't worry about it.

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  • Does anyone know where is the complete episodes of Animal Show with Stinky and Jake Season 2 with all 13 episodes?

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  • Yes, they played at Sesame Place, specifically in the light gallery section of the park. [1]

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  • Could you please delete all those messages those users sent me about blocking them?

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  • Hey Scott,

    Regarding the file reduction of those Muppet Babies GIFs I recently uploaded (such as this one), I was wondering if it's really necessary.

    On my end, and I assume for everybody, they're already showing at a reduced size (both in dimensions and file size) on any given page when instructed by the wiki code for either a thumbnail or a gallery (such as 200px on Phineas T. Cup). Of course they'd still load slower when clicked on and opened big, but now even the small images and thumbnails look really poor in quality; see the small previews on the file's own page (file history) for a demonstration/comparison of exactly that!

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    • Heh, fun stuff!

      That horse skeleton got me... XD

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    • That's a fun one :)

      One thing Giphy isn't great at is the thumbnails in the channel view. If you click through to the horse skeleton gif, you'll see that there's a pause at the end of the animation that the channel preview omits. There are a few like that.

      But Giphy, Imgur, Reddit, etc have better processing software for gif in the gifv format (which is basically just a container file linking to an mp4) than Fandom does.

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  • Checking the history, that clubhouse page was started by one of our more notorious blocked users, who just assumed Sesame Workshop personally manufactured these. He left other merchandise guesses and puzzles, so the options seem to be to either start a forum thread to try to ID or just image chamber them in case (or just nuke it all to clean up his mess).

    Some of those pictures are badly watermarked (another of that user's failings) anyway. At least a few were just copied from rental pages like this one, none of which actually identify who made and originally sold them. Right now, it looks like the only real knowable thing is that they're officially licensed and lots of party places rent them out. As with the coin operated stuff, it might take actually seeing one in person and checking for labels.

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    • Yeah, I was thinking of scrapping it for exactly those reasons. With Danny absent for so long, we don't really have anyone who cares that much about merchandise to look into it.

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    • Even googling, it doesn't seem findable easily because these *weren't* sold at stores or via Amazon, but to the party people who rent them out. All the editor in question did was just image farm from a bunch of party sites.

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  • Hi, when you did clean-up work recently on Impersonations of animals, did you mean to remove Dinosaurs characters dressing up as non-dino animals? Your edit summary said "removing characters playing characters," but Doc as Sprocket is still there, and for the Dinosaurs example, it's a one-shot never seen again (with Moola the Cash Cow, the point is that it's a dinosaur dressed as a cow, and much the same for Georgie the hippo though Earl also dresses as him) rather than impersonating an established character.

    Did you mean to move those to Impersonations of other characters or what? Thidwick the Big-Hearted Moose as the Birthday Bird is another "impersonating an animal that's a one off named character" instance that's currently on the animals page. Looking at the pages, the migration there got a little confused somehow anyway; Baby Bear as a Honker is on that page, but Elmo as a Dinger remains on the animals one. The animals page was one of the earlier Impersonation articles, so some updating and adjusting was definitely needed. I just want to be clear on exactly how we're approaching them now (and I may add some text to make it plainer to the casual editors, maybe links to the Unicorns and Dinosaurs impersonation sections just so users can find them and to prevent future redundancy).

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    • I meant to do some more cleanup there, but haven't had a chance to get back to it. A lot of that page looks like it got out of hand, so I think there are things we can do to organize it better. Examples including finding other places for fictional species, extinct species, and depictions of other characters.

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    • Makes sense, I just want to make sure entries and images both don't end up duplicated or else lost and deleted by mistake (which is where it's at right now) and that we can clarify to users exactly how the pages work now, like we did with the theme category changes.

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    • Absolutely, the deletion is my bad. Special:Unusedimages should have a "what used to link here" feature.

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  • I was wondering why the info I added was reverted- Reading the source, I thought it was interesting that Noggin had to be "given permission by Henson" to use the Sesame characters.

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    • OK. I wanted to quickly mention that Nick Digital and their list of animators is present in both season 1 and season 2's end credits. When the credits were updated for the DVDs, Nick Digital's credit remained. The only credits version that wouldn't list Nick is season 3, since it wasn't produced by Nick/Noggin, and only mentions Viacom at the very end.

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    • Thanks for the screengrabs! Those definitely work for sourcing that bit.

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