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  • Going through your Play With Me Sesame additions, while fleshing out is appreciated, I noticed some discrepancies in the credits. Home video cast lists really need to reflect the credit order and the names used on screen (and any uncredited contributions of note can be listed afterwards and designated as such). We can and do add specific roles (but not generally right handing and such which we only found out recently anyway; it's fine to just include the puppeteer's name and if necessary the sketch/song), but we need them to be accurate. It seems that the video releases only used the regular show end credits, so the cast order is basically how you listed it. That gets confusing, especially with those "and" additions (that's something we only use in that fashion when that's actually how someone was credited, like "And Frank Oz"), and your incorporation of the recently added additional performer/singing vocals info is a bit incomplete as well (including some names but not others).

    We'll have to go through and redo them all to reflect the actual credits (and *then* add uncredited people from clips, without the "archive video" designation since it's used for some clip performers who weren't otherwise involved and not others). I think you may have finished with those, but please keep this in mind in the future (and also some formatting tips: parentheticals like "some scenes" aren't italicized, the phrases shouldn't be capitalized either, and character names only need to be linked once in a cast list if multiple people played them). If you have the time and inclination to fix any yourself, it would definitely help out. Thanks!

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    • Also, the "some framing scenes" note on John Tartaglia. Have you actually found those in every episode where it's noted? That only seems to have applied to the second season, and if those aren't included, then he's just being credited for assisting or for non-vocal puppeteering of Ernie or whoever. Given David Rudman's inclusion, they might just be using the season 2 cast list on all of them (the first season didn't credit Rudman and Tartaglia only as an additional puppeteer, a heading they dropped later). Just something that needs to be double checked (if you actually confirmed Tartaglia had a speaking Ernie contribution in a given video, it can stay).

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    • As mentioned in Thread: 285043 and Thread: 289933, I have seen all of the PWMS episodes from Youku, and I can hence confirm where the original framing scenes from that show in terms of seasonal order. Season 2, without a doubt was the only season John played Ernie, while other SS characters (e.g. Cookie Monster, Zoe and Ernestine primarily) joined the core 4 characters (Ernie, Bert, Grover and Prairie) in the show's original content. To confirm on the credits, all PWMS videos used the Season 2 template, but I am here to confirm that I had nothing to do mostly with the credits. Other users on the wiki have also contributed to the building of such video pages, primarily including Antsamthompson9. All that I have constructed mostly out of all the PWMS video pages are the rough video templates and international release pictures. The credits portion are something that other users have added later in the editing process and that I have nothing to do with the "And" portion. And to confirm further on John's performance as Ernie in the videos, I can confirm that all the PWMS videos have at least one framing scene featuring John primarily performing Ernie, especially for those released for the USA. If you do have any trouble finding out, I just can ask you to look through any PWMS framing segment online and compare it with Steve's performances and the video sketches to understand the roles that John has portrayed in the framing material from PWMS used for the videos.

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    • You did add at least some of those cast lists to start with, as here. So just keep everything I said about making sure those lists reflect screen order, if you add any other video casts or credits for anything.

      Thanks, and thanks for your additions (and admins have less time to check every single video available, so if you are able to specify any Tartaglia inclusions beyond "some framing scenes" or which ones were season 2 if you can, that really would help, since your own viewing is our only source on this).

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  • Hi again Chew. I don't think copying existing episode guides to video pages, such as here, is the best idea. It doesn't really improve the page, and if we just include a link to a given episode, readers can look at the guide and see the Street story there. It's less repetitive that way. I think it's best if you focused on another area. Thanks.

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    • Speaking of repetition, we really don't need full character lists (something we seldom include on actual Sesame Street episodes, just full cast lists for select premieres and such) on compilation videos, especially if there's already a performer list with character IDs (mentioning crowd and so on isn't needed anyway). Thanks!

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  • Hi Chew. When adding to our Dates pages, please be mindful of the guidelines being discussed on the Forum, namely in Scott's message noting that we're only linking episodes and not the show titles. We still want to italicize them though, per Muppet Wiki:Style Guide#Names and Titles. Thanks.

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    • Also, note Scott's reminder here. Every single date, including birth dates for every puppeteer and guest star as well as for stuff only tangentially related or irrelevant, does not go on the date pages. Teaser trailers or announcements of something opening don't count, just the actual movie release or exhibit opening. Definitely "announces that something is canceled/didn't get picked up" isn't a vital part of a day by day Muppet history.

      Please respond here so we know you understand. The enthusiasm is appreciated, but we're having to do a lot of clean-up.

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    • Noted and understood. Sorry for any trouble caused.

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  • Hey Chewie, you've been going to town on the Sesame Street home video releases for several days now.

    Where are you getting all this information?

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    • Ok, just to explain, regarding the Sesame street videography, majority of the edits I had made over the past few days have mainly been focused on the Singapore and Malaysia home video releases. To explain, most of their releases beforehand have been classified as Asia releases, which seemed pretty generic to me, and for someone who's living in Singapore and has known everything about the availibility and the designs of such videos here, I had to make the necessary ammendments. Also, as further explanation, I have seen DVDs releases of such tittles here by the same distributors of the VC Ds in my region, and with the fact that no one added such images so far, I had really no choice but to add such images to prove their existence. Cosidering that the DVD releases use similar artwork to the Genius reissues and other releases of certain tittles, they were proven to be a bit harder to track down. Hence to clarify all the info I have gotten so far, their pictures have been taken from online shops, mostly from Carousell, since they have been out of print and hard to find nowadays. (one example: http://www.digilearn.com.hk/prod_01_sesame_street4.html, which shows a majority of such local releases.)

      For other pictures which I have added, their pictures have mostly been taken from Ebay where I found the Phillipines releases of such videos by Viva Video. (Link: https://www.ebay.com/str/LANEB1961-MEGA-COLLECTIBLE-STORE?_trksid=p2047675.l2563).

      In addition, I had to expand the Australia releases of some tittles through more online extensive research, from a variety of sites such as Ebay and other scratchpad wikias that have high quality scans of covers of such releases whoose pictures have not been put up on Muppet wikia by anyone.

      Also to further note out, Sesame Street videos (Japan) had a list of Sesame street videos whoose majority of pictures had not been posted to their respective video pages, which had to lead me to hestitate and put their images on the pages here in the wikia, with the exception of a Kids Guide to Life japan release tittle which I had yet to confirm its actual OG English name due to my lack of understanding Japanese. 

      Also,  to add on, I have also added in new pictures of releases of Sesame Street videos in Taiwan, thanks to my ability of being able to understand Mandarin. To clarify on such releases, they were done by Ladder Publishing on videotape, and were packaged under a book and tape case set, in which the books provided a full out translation to the script of the videos. (Assuming that the tapes were presented in the original English language and had no mandarin subs.) Link to one of  the tow known sets I could find: https://ms-my.facebook.com/bookfinder119/posts/2416404681933256 。 (Just to note, not all pictures of their releases have been posted on this wikia as I am still trying to clarify pictures of some releases, apart from activity book.)

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    • Thanks for the thoroughness, Chewie. We certainly appreciate that, and it's good to have more knowledge added to these releases, so long we're being careful about where it's coming from.

      Just so you know, some guidelines on how to lay these sorts of pages out is probably in order for some time in the near future.

      Also, a technical correction: there's no such thing as a wikia. Muppet Wiki is a wiki. You might be thinking of our web host who launched as WikiCities, changed its name to Wikia, and again to Fandom.

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  • Hi. I moved your Ernie Says article to Sandbox so you can continue to work on it. Pages on recurring Play with Me Sesame segments is kind of new territory; we don't also have a page on Grover's "Moving and Grooving" segment for example, so it doesn't really fit on the main Wiki right now. Categorically speaking, it does not belong in Sesame Street Episodes, which only tracks episodes from the main series, not the spin-offs. If you do intend on creating pages for the other PWMS segments, please make them Sandbox pages, and maybe later, we can make a community decision on whether or not we should be tracking them.

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    • To that end, I took the material from the pages deleted in February and placed the content at Sandbox:Play with Me Sesame episodes.

      One tip: please don't mix full URLs with wiki markup links. In fact, you don't need to use URLs at all if the link is going to an article on the wiki. To add a link to the Ernie article, just add brackets around it like this: [[Ernie]].

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    • Hey there, thought I'd continue the PWMS discussion here. So, just thought I'd like to share with you this picture here that would be really useful in proving evidence for the broadcast date of an episode of the international version of
      PWMS EP 252 Production Card
      PWMS, ep 252 to be precise. (Without Series code, Ep 78). Taken from Youku's print of that PWMS episode. (cropped out the Youku watermark for a more cleaner image)
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  • Hi, The Chew. I'm Scott, what's your name?

    Just so you know, we have a policy for episode guides that you must be in possession of a copy in order to create or expand a guide for one. Do you have copies of Play with Me Sesame?

    We don't have existing guides for that series, so if this a project we're going to pursue on the wiki, these will have to be properly categorized:

    Also, "broadcasted" is not a word. The proper past tense of broadcast is broadcast (I know, English is a tricky language).

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    • Hey there, I deleted the pages you made for PWMS.

      The versions you're basing them from are from the versions used in international markets and Sprout, not the original Noggin versions. The main way you can tell is that these new edits lack Prairie's art segment and use another classic Muppet bit to fill in the time.

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    • Moreover, the Noggin episodes recycled material constantly, meaning they could get mileage out of only 4-5 episodes’ worth. With that much repetition, I don’t really know what constitutes a “season“.

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