Where did the idea come from that Fred was a dragon? He's not clearly a dragon like, let's say, the La Choy Dragon... I always thought he was just a monster (he was referred to as one in the Ed Sullivan show, and the few other clips he appeared in don't prove that he's a dragon). Anyone? Jog 20:57, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC) Jog

As a matter of fact, Fred was a dragon with long, curved horns and looks like King Ploobis. -- Dean
But I meant, what is the proof that that particular puppet is a "dragon" instead of a "monster"? It's true that he looks a lot like King Ploobis though. Jog 01:48, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC) Jog
He is both a dragon and a monster. -- Dean
I'm going to change the title of this article, based on the discussion on Cecil the List. What do people think of "Fred (monster)"? Is there a better title? -- Danny (talk) 13:19, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Works for me. -- Zanimum 17:32, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Same here for me. Still, how's this for an idea: Fred(monster father) or (father monster). Something to further specify the creature, without having to set in stone a name that no one can source. Anyway, just an idea, just another angle to look at this, nothing I feel strongly about. Splurge 12:43, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Thing is, as discussed in Muppet Wiki:Article Naming Conventions, we're trying not to add additional adjectives. Still, was he specifically addressed as "Father Monster" in the sketch? If so, it would make sense, ala Cigar Box Frackle (Snarl). Andrew Leal (talk) 04:05, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
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