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  • We have an article called "One of These Things" in which we appear to be tracking two different songs about a similar concept that were executed very similarly on the show, except one is kind of the inverse of the other:

    • Slower melody: "One of these things is not like the other..." i.e. (YouTube)
    • Faster beat: "Three of these things belong together..." i.e. (YouTube)

    Should these be separated?

    As an aside, I wanted to note that as I work through the scripts for episodes we don't have visuals for, these are sometimes difficult to differentiate from one another because I've seen them referenced both as "Classifying Song" and "Sorting Song". I don't know which is which, and I suspect the script outlines used them interchangeably. Those will have to wait until we can start making visits to the American Archive of Public Broadcasting, but in the meantime, I figured we should probably sort out (ha ha) what we've got documented on the wiki based on those we *do* have audio/visuals for.

    It's a medium-sized project that doesn't need to be tackled immediatley, but I wanted to get this on the forum while I had it in my head.


    Thread created March 23, 2019

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    • BMI has listings for "One of These Things," but nothing on "Three of These Things."

      There are listings for "Sorting Song" - one of which is a Raposo/Moss collaboration, and the other is credited solely to Raposo.

      I've been hoping we could clean up that "One of These Things" page and this might be a good first step.

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    • More research: ASCAP has a listing for "Three of These Things," with "Sorting Song" as an alternate title, as written by Moss and Raposo. The script for Episode 3981 also IDs the song as that, citing Raposo as the composer and Moss with the lyrics.

      So, yeah, they're two different songs.

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    • Without a doubt. I'm more thinking that separating what's on the page now might be a bit of a chore.

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    • Now I'm wondering, how does "Here Are Some Things That Belong Together" fit it to all this? The one being both a different song and activity using two groups, recently discussed in [|this thread], and with this melody. (3rd song, at 5:38). (YouTube)

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    • "Here are Some Things" appears to be a different melody from the other two and should presumably also be on its own page. There are entries for it in both bmi/ascap with Moss/Raposo as the writers (which matches the credits on the Susan Sings album).

      Although I'm now wondering why they wrote 3 different but quite similar "sorting game" songs in the space of 2 years...

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    • Also, the list on that page is not very complete in terms of performances guided (from the trusted source or video). Just putting that out there.

      I'm for separating them into two different song pages, while noting the existence of the other on both.

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    • Three songs, so three pages.

      I also think they should be separated; we don't generally combine multiple songs on one page. We may need to leave some sort of disambiguation-style page where we can leave anything we cannot yet positively identify as one or the other.

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    • I had a similar thought about a disambig page to help with the confusion. Either call it Sorting Song or Classifying Song (with the other as a redirect) and use it as a hub to link to the three songs.

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    • I've found another variation of this song I hadn't heard before. (YouTube) The script for Episode 0316 calls it Classification Song.

      It seems to be another distinct version of what the scripts call the Classifying or Sorting Song. This is too huge a project for me to jump on right now, but I just wanted to put this out there.

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    • Yeah, that's "Selection Song" (see BMI Work # 1886025). It was done in a Cookie Monster and Ernie bit as well.

      I'll start a sandbox page and start trying to split these things up as best I can.

      EDIT: Sandbox:Sorting Songs

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    • Okay, I think all the stuff on the song page is properly sorted on the sandbox page.

      So we're good to create new song pages and port that stuff over, while also checking the "What Links Here" for any links to the song not in the table.

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    • Nice, I added writer credits for the three versions. Bruce Hart is credited on the first one on ASCAP, but it's split into two entries. Work ID 450124062 credits Raposo and Stone, while Work ID 890008762 credits Raposo and Hart. I didn't see Hart on any of the records we have documented, so maybe he added lyrics later? Whatever the case, all three writers are credited in the same entry on BMI under Work # 5216907.

      Also, we should double check when using WhatLinksHere as I'm sure a lot of entries aren't credited properly. Especially guides that were written from scripts with no reference to audio or video where it was just described as "Sorting Song" or "Classifying Song" as it appears they used those descriptors interchangeably. I'm not sure how we want to handle those as far as linking goes.

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    • Scarecroe wrote: Also, we should double check when using WhatLinksHere as I'm sure a lot of entries aren't credited properly. Especially guides that were written from scripts with no reference to audio or video where it was just described as "Sorting Song" or "Classifying Song" as it appears they used those descriptors interchangeably. I'm not sure how we want to handle those as far as linking goes.

      Maybe we can make some sort of Disambig page housing the three songs and link that to instances when we don't know which song they're using? Then when we get video confirmation, we can change the link.

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    • That's a good idea.

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    • Is there anything we still need on Sandbox:Sorting Songs? I might have missed a couple in one of the bulleted lists.

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    • For OOTT: 0004, 0005, 0006, 0009, 0013, 0573, 3277, 3366, 3373, 3432, 3534, 3606, 3662, 4016, 4039, Crumby Pictures "Cookies of the Caribbean"

      I don't think there's anything else we need there.

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    • I was going to make a table for "Here Are Some Things", but I couldn't find the song in some of the episodes (I think) Shane added. Anyone know what I'm missing?

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    • Here's yet another one from Episode 0323. The script calls it SAME/DIFFERENT SONG.

      https://streamable.com/tsy0a

      It should be noted that this description also appears in two lost episodes... Episode 0180 and Episode 0395.

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    • Although similar in style to the others, this one seems like less of a sorting song and just more of a general comparison game -- how are two things the same and different.

      It looks like it's an Axlerod/Pottle composition: ascap entry

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    • Oh, good find.

      Yeah, it's not as close to the others, but it matches the curriculum and has a similar sound, so it's worth a "see also" at least, I think.

      edit: note to myself, this song is also in Episode 0307

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    • I created a page for it Same/Different Song. It appears to have also been used in Episode 0848 from the description; although it would be good to verify that it is, in fact, the same song if anybody knows where that clip is. I didn't add the two "lost" episodes as I wasn't sure how to handle that.

      I also found an ascap entry for a "Classification Song" -- https://www.ascap.com/repertory#ace/search/workID/330215806

      just to make things more confusing. Given that we have found ascap/bmi entries for all the others, I was thinking this was likely the Multiple Classification Song?

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    • Are we sure those composers are correct for the "Same/Different" song? The earliest work we know of Sam Pottle is the "Super Grover Theme" which dates to season five.

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    • It wouldn't surprise me if the "Same Different Song" cited from ASCAP was a different (and later) song from the one used in season 3, if only because I don't think Pottle and Axlerod were contributing to Sesame that early.

      (EDIT: published this before I saw Shane's response.)

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    • Yeah, Episode 0848 might apply, but the others predate Pottle and Axlerod's involvement with the show.

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    • Oh good point. I wasn't thinking about that. I've removed the authorship.

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    • Episode 0848 does not apply. Completely different song. Listen

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    • Perhaps that one is the Pottle/Axlerod one then.

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    • The script calls it "Same/Different Song on 1⁄4" but doesn't have any lyrics.

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    • I've realized "Here Are Some Things" appears in Episode 0040, beginning around the 37:41 mark, same lyrics, different arrangements.

      Susan introduces it as a new song and game. Whether this is the first episode it's used in or not, it's certainly earlier than the EKA currently listed.

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    • That's a weird one. I don't have the proper music theory to explain it, but it almost sounds like some musically inverted version of the song.

      FWIW, the script calls it "Sorting Song" and credits Raposo. No lyrics.

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    • Just noting here for now that the "Same/Different Song" sung by Bob in Episode 0848 is the same as the one Susan sings with her clone in Episode 0704.

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