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  • Just wanted to bring some attention to Caroll Spinney characters.

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    • Anyone remember which book-and-audio set features Spinney as Big Bird (or Oscar, I forget which) who does the voice(s) of other Muppet characters? Might be worth an honorable mention here.

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    • Don't know about a book-and-audio set, but each volume from Sesame Street Start-to-Read has that.

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    • It mentions Spinney performing Monotones in a few numbers but asks which members. He's definitely not Little Jerry or Big Jeffy (or the precursors for them in "Sad"), but the other two don;t get their own dialogue, only singing together at once, so if we're just going by voice, we can't really pinpoint which he was "supposed" to be. We'd need on-set photos or something (assuming Spinney was physically performing in those and not just singing on the pre-recorded audio track).

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    • I just realized that the page doesn't mention that Spinney performed both Chrissy and Rockin' Richard in the sketch where Grover and the Monotones demonstrate "walk".

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    • Minor muppetz wrote:

      It mentions Spinney performing Monotones in a few numbers but asks which members.

      I just ported that stuff over from the linked pages. If they're incorrect, please remove them.

      Minor muppetz wrote:
      I just realized that the page doesn't mention...

      You're welcome to click the green Edit button on the page to add the information.

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    • I just stumbled upon this thread, and I added a note about the book-and-tape in question to the sandbox page. It was A Sesame Street Christmas, and I reviewed for Tough Pigs several years ago -- and the review includes audio clips: http://www.toughpigs.com/12-days-8-mumford-claus/

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    • Incredible. That may be the one I was thinking of. Thanks!

      I haven't had a chance to follow up on Michael's examples yet. They're probably on YouTube; one of us will get to it before moving this out of the Sandbox space, for sure.

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    • I'm fairly certain I hear Spinney as one of the monsters in this season two sketch, but I'm not sure which one it is. Thoughts?

      https://www.facebook.com/muppetwiki/videos/744438596042454

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    • I think he's the purple one.

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    • I think it's Caroll as the Pumpkin and Lavender monsters, and Jerry as the Fat Blue and Green monsters. Makes sense from a puppetry standpoint, but while I can definitely make out the other three, I can't really hear the Lavender one clearly enough.

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    • Actually I think Henson is the orange monster.

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    • Sounds like Caroll to me.

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    • I got an email notification for this thread based on my previous reply, so I'll weigh in on this: The orange monster sounds like Caroll to me. I can't hear the lavender guy well enough to say who he is.

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    • I saw a note of which Monotone Caroll was performing in “MAD!” I would just like to mention his vocals are definitely clearly heard in the TV version (there are notable areas you can hear him saying “Very, very angry”), and as far as the album version goes, I did some voice comparisons and the vocal range/consistency of that really whiny voice has that nasally effect his voice had and a similar range to other female muppets he has performed (I’m looking mainly at the little girl in “Wonderful/Yucchy” and Jack’s girlfriend in “A, You’re Adorable”). Which leads me to saying I’m personally inclined to believe his vocals in the TV version were aimed for the pumpkin monotone as I just don’t see why they would make a character (in this case, the lavender one) look completely feminine (plus, it’s the same puppet as one of the female back-up hippies in “The Garden,” just without a nose) and have him voice the lavender puppet instead, with the fact that you can clearly also hear Fran Brill, the only female in that performance, which would make me to believe having one clearly female-looking character would otherwise be initially intended to lip-sync to Fran’s vocals even if they’re all in unison. Which also makes me inclined to believe the whiny female voice in the album version was meant to be in reference to the fact that the performance of that song had three guys and one girl.

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    • I would also like to mention I think Caroll performed the Lavender cowboy in the Great Cookie Thief skit. I hear a hint of Oscar in his voice when he says “Hey, fellers. That chap standing over there next the piano looks very much like.... the great cookie thief!” I used to think it was Jim, but it’s very clear Jim is only puppeteering the green cowboy while Jerry does double duty with the Punpkin and blue cowboys, and the lavender cowboy’s mouth movement doesn’t look like it was dubbed either. Thoughts?

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    • Nah, that's Jim's voice at least. Sounds too low to be Spinney's.

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    • Yeah, that's Jim.

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    • PrawnRR wrote: I got an email notification for this thread based on my previous reply, so I'll weigh in on this: The orange monster sounds like Caroll to me. I can't hear the lavender guy well enough to say who he is.

      Just slightly OT: if the quieter Lavendar AM Monster isn't being operated by Spinney, perhaps that could be Fran Brill.

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    • What about Worthington?

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-6syDtCOdbk

      Now that more examples have been found it's easier to compare.

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    • I can hear hints of Caroll on there, but I'm not 100% sure.

      The Worthington article notes he appears in "Like/Dislike" which has an EKA of Episode 0728. The script for Episode 0728 lists the segment as "song for Bob to come" and then has an insert for the lyrics that appear to have been included later, so it's likely the first appearance. Meaning it would be Caroll playing an AM in late 1974.

      A quick browse through Caroll Spinney characters (I love that page) tells me he wasn't doing that sort of thing so late, but I suppose it's not impossible.

      That's assuming a) it is Caroll, and b) the segment doesn't pre-date 1974.

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    • The eka narrows things a bit in terms of personnel, so it isn't any of the left-field guesses we were throwing out back in 2009, and it's certainly not an obvious Nelson or Hunt voice. I do hear a higher, cracking Big Bird voice at points.

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    • A German dub of "The Princess and the Cookie" has surfaced on the Sesamstrasse Facebook page. It looks like Spinney is performing the king, but those with access can confirm it better.

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    • I was just having this conversation with a like-minded friend and Tough Pig. I expect Caroll to have been at least one of the princes, we just didn't agree on which one(s). 'Tis a puzzlement.

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