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  • It's been 18 months since we announced that we'd be building up our Sesame Street episode guide using scripts for episodes that hadn't been available anywhere else in years. Since that time, we've also had the great fortune of getting our hands on copies of some episodes to properly fill out these guides with screenshots and decree them "complete".

    In seeking these out, we started to find that there are episodes that aren't available from the Sesame Archives because they've gone missing. An explanation of what this means, and the full list is at the "Lost episodes of Sesame Street" article. Please let me know if there's something here that isn't clear, so we can craft the language into something more coherent, if need be.

    (Note that the American Archive of Public Broadcasting's collection of episodes will also be missing these sixty episodes).

    The Potential outlets section is what I'd especially like to bring some attention to. As we move closer to building a complete guide, we have an opportunity to help Sesame Workshop track down other avenues from which these episodes might still exist. I won't reiterate what's on the article, but here are some thoughts on a couple of those bullet points:

    An archived Sesamstrasse fan site holds some promise that there may be German dubs of the lost episodes floating around out there somewhere. This link includes some screenshots and Google translated text that seems to indicate they correspond to what we're looking for, but I'm not sure what the episode numbers are. I remember frequenting this site years ago, but I never communicated with the webmaster. If anyone knows them already, or wants to attempt to track them down, there's an email address that may or may not still work: webmaster@sesamstrassen-fanclub.de

    Concerning broadcaster archives, the folks at lostmedia.com have made some efforts in contacting a few of them, and I've reached out to see if they can help.

    If anyone has ideas for how to move forward with some of the other methods covered there, or has other ideas as to how we might be able to track these down, feel free to sound out.

    I work a full time job, and while Muppet Wiki is a hobby I care greatly about, I don't always have the time to spearhead big projects and keep lots of plates spinning at once. In the spirit with which this wiki was founded, I hope there are some folks who are just as interested in continuing to build what we've been working on for fourteen years. This resource stretches further than we sometimes realize, and I think helping to track down some long-lost episodes of a show with a legacy like Sesame Street's would be a great triumph for us.

    (Please note that forum rules are posted at the top of Special:Forum.)

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    • Great idea!

      I can't find Pete Seeger's papers in any archive, so I've contacted Rob Rosenthal, Wesleyan University who recently published a book based on Seeger's writing.

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    • that sounds cool. :) 

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    • I posted about this on a private torrenting site I'm part of, and didn't get a nibble, so I'll try and think of other avenues.

      re: Sesamstrasse. I can try and see if that email works, but also maybe Henrik might know the former webmaster / be able to procure video.

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    • No I don't know him, and I don't really have any connections for old Sesamstrasse stuff.

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    • Scott, i would love to. But i don't have too much time for it, AND i've never watched the classical Sesame, just watched old clips.

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    • This is basically a long-term project anyway, so not everyone can help or will have access (I don't at this time). *But* at various times, some of us have had access to institutional special collections or made research trips, so Scott's post is to avoid "Why didn't you let me know we needed milk while I was at Wal-Mart?" scenarios. There's so much Muppet research to do (and episode numbers alone don't communicate much) so those who do have access need to know what to look for.

      Another potential lead would be to specifically ID the directors (or writers) if mentioned in sources. I was able to access Puppetman a few years before someone started circulating it on YouTube because the late director donated his copy (and the script) to the university I was then attending.

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    • Angstimdunkeln
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      I've been trying to add in screenshots from the German page wherever applicable, but the summaries on that link are so vague that these three have me stumped. Top one seems to be from Episode 0238, middle one looks like it may be from Episode 0214, and I'm wondering if the bottom screenshot is from one of the Frannie episodes (0233 or 0234)

      What do you guys think?

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    • Regarding the two episodes with Frannie, the little girl Muppet, according to this thread she's named in CTW educational guides written after watching the completed episodes. The guides for Episode 0232 and Episode 0233, in their current form, are based on the shooting scripts.

      So, the screenshot with Susan and the little AM in front of Oscar doesn't seem to match our current descriptions, but I think we need to look at those guides and account for the additional information available at the resources linked in Thread:278349 (the Sesame Street gender stereotyping reports which I still haven't taken the time to read myself).

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    • Maluthefrog22 wrote: Great, Hanson!

      Just a reminder, this thread is purely for discussion, so please limit your reactions unless you have something of value to add.

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    • The screenshot at the top is actually from Episode 0198.

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    • Drillbit Taylor wrote:
      The screenshot at the top is actually from Episode 0198.

      Thanks! Come to think of it, is there a list where we can cross reference which episodes' street scenes were reused in Sesame Strasse and where? That might help us narrow down places to look for other lost segments not mentioned on the fanpage.

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    • Amazing! Only 60 episodes are missing? Congratulations! I've never been good with the episode stuff, so I unfortunately don't see myself being of much use here.

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    • CDCB2 wrote:
      Come to think of it, is there a list where we can cross reference which episodes' street scenes were reused in Sesame Strasse and where? That might help us narrow down places to look for other lost segments not mentioned on the fanpage.

      I don't know if such a thing exists, but I was also thinking that it would be useful. Julian's not around a whole lot, but I plan on reaching out to him.

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    • Doing a little digging myself right now. Folge 0021 almost certainly shares segments with Episode 0146. I can create a sandbox page to get things started if we want. 

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    • It would be helpful to know what our source is for Folge 0021. Shane, looks like you started the page in December of 2016.

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    • T'was from here.

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    • Wow, great resource! Using that list, would it be possible to piece together which episodes of Sesamstrasse correspond to the Sesame episodes they were dubbed from?

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    • There's a few gaps here and there, but I don't see why it couldn't give us a reasonable start. 

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    • Love it. I'm glad that resource is available. I'll see about backing it up too, just in case it goes offline and archive.org doesn't have it for some reason.

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    • Scott: just to be clear, what you have listed is the maximum amount of lost Sesame Street episodes, correct? In other words, we know through our trusted sources that, this is as "bad"* as it's going to get for the Wiki's goals of a complete guide? That would be comforting, in a sense.

      • bad - for lack of a more appropriate word.
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    • Correct.

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    • I have an question: does the episode with the divorce of Mr. Snuffleupagus's parents is considered missing? Because it wasn't aired.

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    • Would it be okay to create an active list regarding the most voluminous part of the potential outlets, Sandbox:PBS affiliates contacted about lost episodes?

      The Vice President Broadcast Services at my local station, WNED, has confirmed that they pitched anything that they don't own the rights to. I'd like to continue to chip away at the list of 330 stations, but it would make sense to centrally keep track.

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    • Yeah, absolutely. I think that's a great idea. The Sandbox: space has been the way we've approached this more recently.

      lostmediawiki did some similar tracking here when they were looking for Episode 0847.

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    • That sounds more like a sandbox thing, but yeah, it would be nice to keep track of these things as we ask around.

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    • I think these episodes aren't lost. I think they've been hidden.

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    • Tyrekecorrea wrote: I think these episodes aren't lost. I think they've been hidden.

      What is the basis for your theory?

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    • Scarecroe wrote: "Snuffy's Parents Get a Divorce" is not missing, and will be screened this month at MOMI.

      http://www.movingimage.us/visit/calendar/2019/11/24/detail/sesame-street-lost-and-found

      Episode 0847 appears to be also part of this discussion. I don't know if they'll air anything from it, but it is clearly not a lost episode. (Unless it is, and hasn't been labeled as such, which I'm sure isn't the case.)

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    • No, this is only about episodes which actually cannot be found to date within the official Sesame archives, those listed here. It's not "episodes that didn't air or haven't been seen in years but Sesame Workshop has copies."

      If an episode number isn't on that page, then it's not lost (just not circulating widely or whatever).

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    • Steering back to the topic at hand:

      -that Sesamstrasse email worked; I sent info about our plight and will report if/when I hear anything back.

      -I shared the Lost pages link to some subreddits, so who knows, something might crop up.

      -I contacted someone on that private site I mentioned who happens to have a lot of Canadian Sesame airings, so we'll see if any episodes are lost ones.

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    • Exactly what I was getting at, the Margaret Hamilton episode isn't lost and is on tap to be discussed that event November 24. Whether parts of it will be aired at MOMI, I have no knowledge of.

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    • Splurge wrote: Exactly what I was getting at, the Margaret Hamilton episode isn't lost and is on tap to be discussed that event November 24. Whether parts of it will be aired at MOMI, I have no knowledge of.

      It is expressly mentioned in their event description:

      MoMI is cracking the vault wide open to take a look at rare footage of Sesame Street that never aired, was shelved after initial broadcast, or featured characters that have been retired. A panel of insiders will shed light on such stories as why Margaret Hamilton (who played the Wicked Witch of the West in The Wizard of Oz) never reappeared, and why viewers never saw Snuffy’s parents get a divorce.
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    • Oscarfan wrote:

      Tyrekecorrea wrote: I think these episodes aren't lost. I think they've been hidden.

      What is the basis for your theory?

      Well, Scott, it's the same as I've said before. Just about all of the information about Sesame Street has been around for eons; it's been so long since it's been produced; there's no reason nor any excuse for people to have not gotten cranking on the analysis and dissemination of this information ages ago. 
      

      It's like if you're passionate about a subject and you have a way to learn more about it right now, you're not going to hesitate to avail yourself of it, right?

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    • What on Earth are you talking about?

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    • Oscarfan wrote:

      It is expressly mentioned in their event description:

      MoMI is cracking the vault wide open to take a look at rare footage of Sesame Street that never aired, was shelved after initial broadcast, or featured characters that have been retired. A panel of insiders will shed light on such stories as why Margaret Hamilton (who played the Wicked Witch of the West in The Wizard of Oz) never reappeared, and why viewers never saw Snuffy’s parents get a divorce.

      Thanks for clarifying. Yeah, now it looks more straightforward that they will screen from the Margaret Hamilton episode, not just talk. Overall, I thought I was in agreement with you all, just maybe I could have articulated better.

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    • Sorry, is it not clear that 0847 is not on the list at Lost episodes of Sesame Street?

      This thread is about those sixty episodes and the Potential outlets highlighted in the first post. Please stay on topic.

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    • Shout-out to Guillermo who added the possibility of classroom kinescopes to the list of potential outlets. Great addition! That wouldn't have occurred to me.

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    • Bravo on Nick for Sandbox:PBS affiliates contacted about lost episodes.

      Is there a way we can format this so we have a better idea of contacts / responses?

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    • I was going to convert it to a table a little later. Didn't wanna have an edit conflict on any big work happening.

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    • It's also worth checking the history and dates of each affiliate. El Paso didn't have a PBS station until 1978 (PBS made a deal with an NBC station to carry Sesame Street early on, then those with cable watched the New Mexico affiliate). I could look into contacting but at best the two 1980s episodes are all to be hoped for, and knowing a little about how the station works, likely no older Sesame episodes would still be on hand or in storage (it's part of a larger building at the local community college). I'll still check through local contacts, but in general it's less promising than the larger, older affiliates (WGBH probably holds the most promise and the most likely to have archives).

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    • Ah, drat, I hadn't thought of that. Good call, Andrew.

      I'm not going to be touching it for the next few days, but after that I'll try and rapid-fire eliminate the newer affiliates.

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    • On a different angle, I'm presuming to email Adia Millett in a day or two.

      She's an abstract artist originally from Los Angeles. and in 1992, Cleavon Little was survived by a daughter named Adia Millett-Little.

      Can I confirm that no one's tried this yet?

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    • I have not.

      I have heard back about Sesamstrasse and gave them the episodes we'd need.

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    • Great to hear that the Sesamstrasse production team is taking a look.

      I'll have to look through the Sesame Park episode guide file I have from the CBC Archives, and compare. (They've digitized everything they have, and destroyed the originals, so if they had a reel from CTW that was never reused, and thus not digitized, Marjory has it now.)

      Just an update, I emailed the presumed daughter of Cleavon Little last night, so that's pending. I was able to get contact information for Pete Seeger's daughter Tinya through an author, and she has said she'll let us know if she finds anything, for which I've thanked her.

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    • Zanimum wrote: Great to hear that the Sesamstrasse production team is taking a look.

      I'll have to look through the Sesame Park episode guide file I have from the CBC Archives, and compare. (They've digitized everything they have, and destroyed the originals, so if they had a reel from CTW that was never reused, and thus not digitized, Marjory has it now.)

      It's not really anyone from Sesamstrasse production; it's someone who ran a fansite who has an obscene amount of episodes from it.

      I doubt the "Sesame Park" stuff will do any good since that was a full-on co-production, whereas the first like two decades or so were just "American episodes with Canadian stuff inserted in."

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    • Sesamstrasse fan site archive screenshots

      Just backing up a screenshot of that German fan site with screenshots in case archive.org loses it for some reason.

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    • Out of fear of sounding redundant, do the other four test pilots survive too? Wasn't sure if those were being counted. 

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    • To be determined.

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    • In the process of downloading, but our Sesamstrasse fansite contact sent me a few shows that have content from these lost episodes.

      So, hooray - a minor step forward!

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    • Awesome! Also, if Sesame Workshop was able to do a search on the missing Gordon, they should be able to do something with this as well, especially given the options.

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    • Outstanding! That's a huge win!

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    • Finally started this. I think it should be helpful to us in the long run.

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    • Oh, that's interesting. I didn't know they took scenes from multiple episodes for one "Folge". I assumed it was a straight lift from episode to episode.

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    • Just finished a good chunk of the table using the information we currently have. Looks like Folge 0021, 0042, and 0048 all have lost street scenes... and so the hunt continues! 

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    • Nice work, thanks for doing that! I might have another one to add later today.

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    • Noticed a couple references added on the Sandbox page to some Sesamstrasse episodes that don't have their own pages on the wiki. Is there a nameable source for those?

      (Side note -- I'm glad most of the Slimey debut episode's scenes survive in some form!)

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    • I just made an edit to Lost episodes of Sesame Street indicating that there are five lost episodes we've been able to procure from the German fansite referenced earlier in this thread.

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    • I really hope that these lost episodes will be preserved by the AAPB (American Archive of Public Broadcasting). I am longing to watch every single episode of Sesame Street, at least from the first 37 seasons.

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    • Never mind, I just found out that these episodes will be missing from the AAPB, but I hope that they'll be rediscovered and preserved by the AAPB someday.

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    • As much as we hope so too, at best it seems unlikely. On the other hand, they may or may not have raw footage/rough draft prints of certain lost episodes if we’re lucky (similar to certain older episodes of the PBS NewsHour).

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    • Drillbit Taylor wrote:
      As much as we hope so too, at best it seems unlikely. On the other hand, they may or may not have raw footage/rough draft prints of certain lost episodes if we’re lucky (similar to certain older episodes of the PBS NewsHour).

      I sure hope they have raw footage of all 60 lost episodes. It'd be real nice if they were in color upon being rediscovered, as they originally aired on NET and PBS. Whatever may happen, I'm glad to know that you all are trying your very hardest.

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    • Hey, i just came across this thread, i have a huge collection of Sesamstrasse Episodes (and also 1 rue sesame and bonjour sesame). I'm pretty new to this wiki so i don't know how everything here works but i'd like to help you guys out with infos, screenshots and whatever else you need. Is there anything you especially need? I have almost all of the earlier episodes, at least the ones that weren't lost by the NDR.

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    • Hey Felix, thanks for reaching out. The ones we're looking for as part of the project are the dubbed versions that correspond to the episodes listed on Lost episodes of Sesame Street.

      These are the ones we've been able to track down so far:

      So if you've got any of the others, that would be a great help!

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    • Just have been looking at the first 3 you named, all of them don't seem to match. Where have you got information about those from? I'll look which of the US episodes match with the german episodes and then tell you later.

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    • https://muppet.fandom.com/wiki/Folge_0001 As you can see, this one for example uses scenes from Episode 0131 and 0132. They are completely different cuts so you can't just say that one Sesamstraße Folge is a dubbed version of a Sesame Street Episode. I think it would be better if i make detailed descriptions of the episodes i have like it's already done with Folge 0001.

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    • A lot of it is documented in this thread, but yeah, Category:Sesamstrasse Episodes could always use some expansion. It would certainly help lock down which Folge corresponds to which Episode.

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