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Your most recent cancellation of an edit I made

Jon, I have to respectfully disagree with your erasing the edit I made to episode 1631 on Friday night. "A girl sorts everything she finds which is alive and not alive." To me that sounds like a fragment, not a proper sentence. I truly think that adding the word "by" makes a difference. Though, if we want to reword it a little, we could say something like "she sorts things by which ones are alive and which ones aren't." As for the fact that it's different from what it says on other pages, that can be fixed in time. And that's not the only segment that isn't worded exactly the same way on all pages. I'm writing about it here, because I know better than to just put it back without discussing it first. Garrettk41 (talk) 14:25, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Garrett. I'll check the segment myself later and determine a more grammatically-accurate wording. Episode segment descriptions should be consistent when repeated, and one of the exceptions to our en masse policy are fixes pertaining to grammatical accuracy. Regardless, discussing it beforehand, like we are now, is a good move. Thanks. β€” Jon latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 18:04, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for acknowledging that, Jon. I just had to bring this up because no matter how much I thought about it, I still maintained what I thought before. And while we're talking, I've something else to bring up. Regarding the Joe Raposo special. You're the one who deleted my last page concerning one of the interviewees. Would you mind looking at the list and telling me which ones without a page it's okay to create one for? Also, with the Wiki's new look, I'm not sure what to look for to tell me talks like this have been replied to. Garrettk41 (talk) 02:54, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
Just in case you didn't clearly understand that last part, I meant what sort of symbol should I keep an eye out for to let me know if you or anyone else have responded in these talks or left me a whole new message? Garrettk41 (talk) 02:17, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
Add this page to your watch list and you will get an email when it's been edited. In other words, read the glaring red text at the top of this page. β€”Scott latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 10:50, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
This glaring red text you mention may be showing up on your computer screen, but not on mine. And I looked it over several times just to make sure. All I see when I click edit is the "Watch this page" option, which is already checked, but I'm still not getting any email notifications. Garrettk41 (talk) 05:15, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Final voice credit question

Jon, I have something else I'd like to broach with you. Having discussed my voice credit idea further with Andrew, I now realize that I have to get a certain number of votes for each individual actor, and that seems like more trouble than it's worth, so for the time being, I've decided to put that idea behind me. However, I do have one final related thought. Having perused the pages for episodes that feature the cartoon with Dr. Frankenstein showing his monster about front and back, I couldn't help but notice that some of those pages have credited Rick Cimino and some haven't. Now, have I your blessing to fix it up so that all of them do, or would you prefer I remove his name from those where it is listed? I'm asking you because you were the one who told me that we don't want wording inconsistency on this Wiki? Garrettk41 (talk) 16:02, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

It's in accordance to our policy, so I'm fine if you add Rick's name to any remaining episode guides for the sake of consistency. β€” Jon latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 05:00, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
I'd recommend, per previous discussions, simplifying the text on all pages. Just "Voices: Rick Cimino" (plural as he voices both, no featuring etc.) It feels less POV/promotional announcement that way. -- Andrew Emoji-drool.gifAdminsig.png 18:46, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, that makes sense. "Voices by" would definitely work better, especially since the way it's worded now might have those who didn't read his page wondering which voice he did. Yes, I will see to it that all pages with that clip are worded more simply. I'll be getting to that in a little while. Garrettk41 (talk) 23:07, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
Okay, just to kill time, I've been looking for more inconsistencies, and I did stumble on the fact the John Korty page indicates that James Cranna voiced bird in the "what's inside the street?" cartoon but no episode pages do. But I decided not to change that right away because you might think it was more relevant of Korty's page. Thought I'd ask your opinion first. Garrettk41 (talk) 15:02, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, I'd leave it alone. β€” Jon latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 15:46, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Episode 2629


I realised my mistake while rewatching this episode’s Street scenes last night - Gina didn't mention anything about the damce taking place at high school. Really sorry about that. It was my first ever edit (just registered as an editor yesterday) and I guess I got a bit over excited! I'm just so eager to help out and make this site even better than it already is.

--FozFozBear (talk) 08:37, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Hey Jon

Sorry, the new layout is messing me up. I'm used to just slapping a PNG onto a wiki, like with the Ultra.wikia. I'mma try and get used to this, since I had similar troubles on other wikis with this same issue. And I have the default of 'save images' to png. Lol... Sorry if I broke the page!Lamango (talk) 00:12, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

revert on La Cabra

Hello Jbrangwynne53, could you help me understand the reason for this revert on La Cabra? I was sincerely trying to simplify and clarify the wording. Cinnity (talk) 04:48, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi Cinnity. I understand your good intentions, but the portion of La Cabra was simply fine as it was and the revision didn't exactly improve what was already written. β€” Jon latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 05:25, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Muppet Audience Season 3 image

Hello, Jon, not trying to be rude, but, why did you have to revert my upload of The Muppet Theatre audience from the third season version of The Muppet Show Theme to a stock shot of a wide view of them applauding from Seasons 3-5 of The Muppet Show? What I uploaded accurately corresponds with the file name "MuppetShopen3". Also, when that file was first uploaded, it was a shot of the audience singing "Why don't you get things started?". - FixandHelp15

Scott's upload is a higher quality image of The Muppet Show audience, regardless of whether he screengrabbed the opening or one of the random insert shots. If we're concerned with the filename, it can be renamed. β€” Jon latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 23:07, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, I think we should rename the file, to avoid confusion. How about renaming it to "MuppetAudienceWideS3Applauding.JPG"? - FixandHelp15
Reads well to me. β€” Jon latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 02:44, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello Jon

Hello Jon, and thank you for so kindly welcoming me to Muppet Wiki. Even though I am newly joined as an editor, I have visited Muppet Wiki regularily since 2005. I have read the FAQ and Guidelines, and being a Software QA Engineer of 7 years and 5 months for Wikimedia themselves, I am aware there are meticulous standards of fit and finish for presenting articles in a neat and tidy manner. My understanding is the FAQ and Guidelines mentioned this: if I were to add a new topic/thread discussing how to add to existing sections such as Categories (i.e. Characters, Guests) or to add content on an existing article (such as new screencaps, or new links) would it be highly recommended that I do so in the form of a question in the Forum:Article Content space? Thanks. SteelK9 (talk) 06:05, 28 October 2021 (UTC)Nicholas

Hi, Steel. I'm not Jon, but I just wanted to give you a quick reply here. Yes, we do require the creation of new categories to be brought up in discussion with the community at Forum:Index. New screencaps or links do not require discussion, but if you're unsure about how your contributions will be accepted, it's helpful to leave an edit summary. Thanks! β€”Scott latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 11:15, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Muppet Home Video

I made the page to see if it would be notable enough for the wiki as some other Henson-related video labels have their own pages, but I guess there’s a lack of sources or something considering the US W.D.T.N.T. releases are so obscure. -- User:LTPHarry 16:45, November 6, 2021

Episode 2253

Hey Jon,

Just letting you know that I have seen this episode (just viewed it yesterday) and I spotted some extra details that I thought needed to be documented, but it's fine if you don't think they are needed. I was a little bit confused that you said that my edit was 'unsourced' because I haven't included my sources for my previous edits so I thought it would be okay with this one too. I'm really sorry. --Samiya (talk) 17:26, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Samiya, and thanks for clarifying. It is indeed important for users to show that they're sourcing the information they add to the site whenever appropriate, such as the case with Episode 2253 which has not seen an official video release (For further reading on the subject, I would recommend Muppet Wiki:FAQ#Show your sources and Muppet Wiki:Sources). Most often, a short summary of a scene or segment suffices, but correcting or adding a missed detail is acceptable so long as it's based on your viewing of the episode.
Also, to reiterate what Tony already mentioned, the descriptions for street scenes and segments on our episode guides are to be consistent if they are repeated across multiple pages. We also recently added a note to our Editing policy, which specifies that a (non-administrative) change applied to a large number of pages needs to be discussed on the Forum and approved by a community consensus, so I would recommend doing that next time if there's a sketch description that you feel should be reworded. Thanks again for your messaging. β€” Jon latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 17:46, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi Jon. Thanks for letting me know, and apologies again for this. I had a feeling it was because this episode hasn't been publicly released - my edits previously have ben based on epidodes which have been publicly released (most of which are easily viewable on YouTube). So, in future instances like this, is it sufficent to mention that I've watched the episode in the edit summary?--Samiya (talk) 17:58, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
If it can be searched on YouTube or another website, you probably don't have to. If it's not in circulation, online or otherwise, then I think it's necessary. β€” Jon latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 18:20, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
Okay - thank you! --Samiya (talk) 18:32, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Dance Along Page

i found the video of the Sesame Street VHS Dance Along! on YT so i think it needs the same and segment treatment as the others if you can here's the link thank you Skullzproductions (talk) 23:47, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

My Old Account

I am AndyBTheActor but I lost access to that account!

My Old Account

My Account

This is AndyBTheActor. I just loss access to that account and can no longer use it!


I don't know how to work this whole talk page so that's why I sent so many messages! I'm very sorry!


Is Mechelle.geier a returning vandal? I didn't see a block summary and the edits I looked at appear to be in good faith even if it's not something we need to cover. β€”Scott latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 12:51, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

They don't appear to be someone who's been on before, but their edits were adding either death dates, full/maiden names or initials (Jerry L. Nelson), and in a few cases IPA pronouncinations of a person's name. They were clearly copying from Wikipedia or elsewhere, and they were adding a lot of that in a short amount of time and without sourcing or any given rhyme or reason. It just resulted in a lot of clean-up work and I think that's enough to justify a block from us. β€” Jon latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 18:34, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
Agree that none of the information is anything we would keep, but they were edits made in good faith. I don't think we need to be so harsh as to issue an infinite block without a warning. β€”Scott latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 18:48, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Fraggle Rock: Back to the Rock

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My "Got Me a Rooster" Info

So Jon, when you undid my edit to "I Got Me a Rooster", all you said was that this wasn't the place to debate whether or not a giraffe made any noise. Fair enough. But you didn't state why you got rid of the rest of my edit, regarding the origin of the song. I don't understand your reason for that. Did you even check out the two songs I mentioned? If you do, you'll see how the song we're talking about clearly borrows from both of them. As usual, I'm simply asking a question and not putting anything back in until I know it's alright. Garrettk41 (talk) 00:31, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

I've listened to all three, Garrett, and I discerned that the folk song "I Had a Rooster" was the primary derivation of the Sesame Street rendition; hence the use of the word "derived" in my change. It shares the same melody and has only slight lyrical differences. "Cat Goes Fiddle-I-Fee" seems to be a separate song, but also has similar lyrics. I haven't read on whether the poem inspired the folk song or vice versa, but if that can be verified (and this is a reminder to show sources when we add new information), maybe that's notable. Calling the Sesame version a "spoof" of the two doesn't seem accurate. β€” Jon latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 01:05, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Having just listened to Pete Seeger singing "I Had a Rooster", I'm inclined to agree. I must admit, I had never even heard of that song until now. But yes, except for the slight lyric tweak, it's basically the same exact song. Now, while we're on the subject, while we don't want to reference the fact that giraffes do make noises on that specific page, suppose we add it to the Sesame Street Goofs page as a factual error? IMDb includes goofs like that. What do you think? Garrettk41 (talk) 02:36, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Bert's line is "The giraffe does not make any sound at all." Whether he's correct or not is besides the point. The goofs pages are to cover errors in production; not a joke which might not be a factual statement as often happens. It's just too complex for us to note and, as we've said before, we're not IMDb. We don't do things the way they do, and we insist on showing sources. Also, please remember we admins are unpaid volunteers. This is not our full-time job, so it would help to remember that collaboration includes give and take and sometimes accepting changes by others without challenging each one. We'd really appreciate your remembering that. β€” Jon latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 03:17, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Back to the Rock: Sequel or Reboot?

I just noticed that in one episode, when Uncle Traveling Matt sends a sheet of bubble wrap back to Gobo, he mentions this is his 'return to outter space'. This remark makes me confused. Lamango (talk) 23:42, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Excuse me, I have a problem.

It’s seems to be have a problem over the page called The Number of the Day, and I was realized you edited this. It’s fine if you edited this, and hoped you have a nice day!

Apologies for my edits on the Craggles page.

I'm sorry about that. I removed the redlinks for Kyle Craggle and Styles Craggle because I've rewatched the show multiple times and I don't think they have any lines. They didn't seem relevant enough for their own page unlike Craggle Lagoon, which I kept the redlink for. As for them having baloobiuses but very small ones, that was my own observation and I'm sorry. The lack of baloobiuses statement on the page isn't commented upon in the show either. I do know that the illustration of a Fraggle and Craggle together seen in the background of many shots of "The Giggle Gaggle Games" shows the latter with a typical full-sized baloobius, though that could be a mistake from the Fraggles seeing their incredibly inaccurate source of Craggle information. Once again, I'm really sorry. I'm typically an editor on the CLG Wiki, and because logos don't get a lot of behind the scenes info you often have to do your own research and infer from what little you find. I guess I should have prepared to change my mindset for Muppet productions, as we do know a lot about them without as much inference. AlmightyKingPrawn (talk) 20:02, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

How am I supposed to make edits with these extra rules in this wiki

Okay look man I don't get it because the things I have been trying to add some new things for this wiki but it not accepting it, why is that even happening? β€” Zacharygamerb


Okay you know what I can take this anymore! I have be trying to help you guys out and you guys just don't give a "DAMM!" about the way I am trying to help you guys, because this time I total did everything that you guys told me to do. I added the opener, I put the transcript into a table with right format, I even added in a link for the episode that I transcriping. But no, you guys just can't handle anything I do because all I am just trying to do is to help you guys out even if you guys think that my work looks nothing but a Gigantic Load Of FUCKING SHIT!!! - Zacharygamerb

How to Cite

I would like to add an episode but what do you mean by "cite"? It may not make sense but there are things i don't understand. Also, I found a segment on YouTube with Sesame Street's dancing feet and thought of a remix. -justinhaynes89

Hi Justin. Citing basically means that when you add or change information on the Wiki, you're also showing in some way where you got your info from. If you want to cite a website, for example, you can either copy and paste the website link in your edit summary, or paste it in the article (with <ref> tags, per our instructions on Muppet Wiki:Sources) next to what you've added. I would highly recommend reading our Sources page to learn more about citing. Hope that helps. Come back to me if you have more questions. Thanks! β€” Jon latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 17:52, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Global Wiki Rules and Blocking policy updates

Hiya! I hope you're doing well. I just created a forum about an important global policy update that goes into effect April 4th, and I just want to make sure you saw it. If you have any questions about this (and you missed the AMA where you could ask questions directly to Fandom staff about this), don't hesitate to reach out to me for support! Lady Lostris / 9?cb=20190922130322 SOAP 11:08, 25 March 2022 (UTC)


Hi, Jonathan:

Sorry about the assumption I made about the song "Scream," both about the episode and season in which it first appeared. I thought that the version in Episode 0697 was the same as the one which appeared in Episode 1018 and thereafter. Thus, I thought I could rightfully 'update' everything. BTW, is it to be classified as an 'Insert' or a 'Cast' segment? Again, sorry. Jon(talk) 11:44, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Jon. The scripts confirm that the version of "Scream" included in later episodes is from #1018. We have a policy about changes made en masse to a large number of articles, so if you notice a discrepancy like that which needs to be validated (ideally with sourced confirmation), the best course of action is to contact an administrator or start a thread on the forum before making changes in bulk. It's not good to assume anything without being able to cite a source or discuss it with others first. Thanks. β€” Jon latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 12:23, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Does the script for episode 0697 give any lyrics, or any information that it's the same song as the retaped version? -- Tony (talk) 12:36, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
The script for #0697 only gives a timecode of 2:24. The one in #1018 has the prefix "VTR" to indicate that it's a newly-taped insert and includes lyrics. Other episode scripts that feature the #1018 version have varying timecodes that range from 2:23-2:25. So I think that indicates that the song in #0697 is the same, but an earlier taped version that was only used once. β€” Jon latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 12:55, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Hello again. From what you're saying, Jonathan, it appears that we have to confirm that the segment from Episode 0697 'matches' the segment shown in Episode 1018 and later both in terms of lyrics of the song and visual content which is shown while Maria is singing, and only then can we determine if 0697 should have an image inserted for 'Scream' as well as be the episode containing the 'official' first appearance of the song as well. Please let me know. Thanks, and again, sorry for 'assuming before asking.' Also, the clip is now designated as an 'Insert' in all episodes from 1018 and on (if that matters). Jon(talk) 09:36, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
No one has access to Episode 0697 (outside of the script) which is required for making a claim about content on the wiki. β€”Scott latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 11:23, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

OK, Scott, just wondered. Also, sorry for changing the segment type in 1018 to 'Insert.' I wanted for it to be consistent with the other episodes after 1018, but, again, maybe I 'assumed wrongly.' Jon(talk) 11:33, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Future Sesame episodes

How about from now on for Sesame episodes that haven't aired yet, you remove protection from them a day before they air? Because Ardeiwann has been on a roll creating pages for those episodes, sometimes minutes after they premiere. -- Anthony (talk) 23:13, 6 April 2022 (UTC)