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Gymnast series - identity
Hi, Shane (or anyone who can answer):
Out of curiosity, I have been doing some research on some Web video sites (including, but not limited to, YouTube) as well as some involving biographical information on people (on Facebook, Classmates, etc.) and I might be able to deduce the name of the gymnast who appeared on Sesame Street in the 1970's (i.e. on the Gymnast series page). If I'm sure who it is or might be, can I mention her name on the Wiki, or do we need a lot more substantial information from other (trusted) sources (or, for that matter, permission from certain people) before we can go ahead and do something like that? Thanks. Again, I'd rather ask in advance than risk making some serious error in assumption. D72jjpilc (talk) 10:55, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- Scott (and all admins, by extension) - I am 'compiling' a series of 'connections' based on information on the Web, which includes a user on Dailymotion who refers to the gymnast as 'My mom.' I am then taking this person's name and searching on Facebook and other sites (usually via Google searches) which give evidence on how several people are 'related' or 'connected.' I then search Websites like Classmates (again, making an 'educated guess' about where that person went to school) and when I think I've found the 'right' person, I verify it my Google searching that name and finding evidence in articles announcing marriages and/or deaths, such that person's maiden name was 'so-and-so' and he/she are/were related to 'so-and-so,' thus 'cementing' my convictions that I'm sure that I'm 'spot on.' Moreover, this person in question participated in gymnastics all four years in high school (according to Classmates, Seaford NY High School 1972), so that would lend further weight to my 'hunch.' Again, as to whether these are 'reliable' (or 'reliable enough') sources from the Muppet Wiki administration's point of view, I'll leave that up to you and the admins. Please let me know either way, though. Thanks, and hope you don't mind me asking. D72jjpilc (talk) 11:20, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
I see that you renamed the segment 'Riding on the Train' as Train Song and applied the change to all episodes in which that segment occurs. I guess this is sort of similar to 'Sawmill' vs. 'Listen Here, Truck,' whereas the former refers to the song or segment's 'official' name from a CTW 'point of view,' whereas the latter refers to a 'fan-made' name. I guess that 'Riding on the Train' was my own 'fan-made' name for the song and segment when I was involved in trying to help table the episodes last year. That's a segment I finally got to see/hear again when Episode 0593 was released on HBO Max, but - likewise - I kept referring to it by my own 'fan-based' name. Again, just wanted to note that. Thanks and take care. Jon(talk) 09:15, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- We were living under a rock. - Shane (talk) 00:43, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- You're right. Totally overlooked that too. - Shane (talk) 02:41, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
The deer really was in Sesame Street!
Robert the Red Deer really was in Sesame Street, Elmo's Christmas Countdown to be exact. Here's some proof from this video. If you look closely, you'll find the deer.FenneKindleFire (talk) 17:54, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Hunting for the shows I was on.
Hi Shane, I was one of the Sesame Street Kids back in the early 70s. I was on 8 shows, but only have a VHS tape of 2 of the: 559 & 589 (CTW said they were the only shows, of my 8, which still existed, back around 1990). I know I was on 637 and 560 as well, and saw you posted some stills from 560! Please tell me you have video from that show!
I've checked HBO+, none of the 4 episodes I have numbers for are being aired - but I'm checking every episode to see if I can find myself on any of the other 4 which I don't have episode numbers for)
I do have photos from the set, and even though it's almost 50 years later, remember quite a bit of it (in case anyone is ever curious :) )
Thanks, Kira --User:IWasOneOfTheSesameKids 16:44, August 29, 2021
- The footage is not mine to give out. If you are within the vicinity of the Paley Center for Media, they have that episode in their viewing library (though it doesn't seem that they've re-opened yet). - Shane (talk) 21:41, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Concerning the citation, the three non-band animals that Papa Bear hugs do have commentary as they get hugged, based on the YouTube video. The fox reacts when he's hugged (saying "Thank you very much"), and the squirrel can be heard at the very end speaking to Papa Bear. (That's why I only credited puppetry for the latter.) If the last two aren't as discernable then I'd be fine with just leaving only Clash's credit in. -- Tony (talk) 03:34, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
- Clash, I totally hear. The other two you cite I honestly can't make out. It doesn't feel clear enough to make that gamble on (and we don't currently have docs about that particular bit, so there's nothing official we have to confirm anything on it). - Shane (talk) 03:41, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
Same/Different - Slot Machine
If you've got the scripts, could you please tell me how the "Same/Different - Slot Machine" animations are listed in Episode 2234 and Episode 2287? There are two different versions, and I finally realized that one of the YouTube clips uses the lesser-known version here: ( ) Once they are known, the pages citing the segments could be revised to be more specific. -- Tony (talk) 15:03, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- The one in 2234 is labeled #1, and 2287 is labeled #2. I didn't really notice the two were so different. Adjustments will be made later. - Shane (talk) 15:27, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- Neither did I, until I stumbled on the YouTube version. So to keep track, here they are side-by-side by content:
- Version 1: butterflies, butterfly/sun, bells, 12/14, s/f, sun/fun, apples, stop/store, suns, the/end
- Version 2: butterflies, butterfly/sun, bells, flowers, M/W, snails, 8/3, birds, butterfly/teapot, the/end
One of These Things
I’m a brand new editor here (just registered yesterday) but have been browsing the Wiki for ages, and I’ve noticed a few errors on the ‘One Of These Things’ page that I thought you might like to know about. E.g. In episode 2747, Big Bird sings ‘Three of These Things’ (also stated on the episode’s wiki page). Also, according to other episode pages, it looks like you’ve missed out a few more versions of ‘One Of These Things’ (although I can’t be sure until I watch the episodes). I’m eager to help out and make sure that this site is as correct and informative as possible, so if you like, I could begin editing this page later (as soon as I work out how to do so).
Of course, if you feel the page is fine as it is, please let me know (you're the expert after all!)
Zoot fingers moving
His Solo in Barn Yard Boogie you see the valves move.
His solo at the end of the video- The clearest example so far
- It's quite subtle in some of those videos, but I do see the valve movements in a few of those. I've never noticed that before. -- Tony (talk) 18:04, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, it also jumps sometimes between using it and not. I guess it depends on how Dave was feeling or if the stand in puppeteer wanted to use them. You can't see them move at all in some appearances like the Run Run Rudolph cover, Outside Lands, even all the way back on Jim Henson Hour in his two appearances. -- Lamango (talk) 18:13, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
- I think I see it, but it doesn't seem as overt as the recent examples. - Shane (talk) 01:19, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
I was looking at a clearer copy of Episode 3786 (which I'm updating the images for) and I remembered the picture of Herry with eyelids that's currently on his page. Upon closer inspection, it looks to me like it's a part of Herry's fur that's been brushed over the eye. It's not smooth, and the other (left) eye doesn't have it. Your thoughts? -- Tony (talk) 14:03, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
- Oh, yeah, you're right. That can go. - Shane (talk) 15:20, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
The source for Don Reardon comes from the Alice Dinnean episode of Below the Frame, where she specifically mentions he was one of the hires for Sesame Street. Vocal comparison to his performance for "Let's Make a Word" helped confirm this was him. -- Tony (talk) 16:08, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
Pick a Kard
- Awesome! The "magician" is referenced in a couple of other scripts from that season, but we can't be sure it's the same guy. - Shane (talk) 20:03, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
- Do you know which scripts? We can definitely pin it down if visuals ever show up (apart from screengrabs, I found the To Tell the Truth from 1960 and other photo references for him), but without, yeah, it's unclear. The obit says "Sesame Street during its earliest days," so could be the one episode, could be others (we've seen a lot of both instances by now, where a one-time is spoken of as if it was recurring, or someone just remembers guesting once and turns out they called them back or even a one-day shoot was spread out). -- Andrew 20:12, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
- Side note, not sure if we can really work all of it into the wiki, but I noticed how some of these early scripts sort of breakdown which production crew handled duties. Jane O'Connor wrote copy for the "character reads a book" segments (not pre-scripted, that should probably be noted), Dulcy Singer booked additional talent like children and magicians and originally arranged for the live animals that visited the street (it gets handed off to Lisa Simon by the time donkeys are involved). -- Andrew 20:20, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Dan & Dan
- Oh wow, I'm such a dunce. Yeah, they're the same guy. - Shane (talk) 17:05, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
Hey, out of curiosity... how did you manage to find this picture of Sal Minella welcoming the audience to the show during The Muppet Show Live?:
"Zunzun" - same tape date as "Numero Comparsa," right?
Prologue: Like I have to ask, right?
- They were, yes. - Shane (talk) 16:46, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Tape date for Patti Labelle: "Take the Hand..."
Now, Loretta Lynn
- We don't have that info. And yes, there is no need to post multiple threads. - Shane (talk) 15:39, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Hey, I was just wondering, should we have like, a gallery or something for the many background creatures for Fraggle Rock? Sort of like we did for the Frackles? Lamango (talk) 05:50, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
- That doesn't sound like a bad idea to me. There are a variety of different creatures, and a gallery would be a good way of keeping track of them. -- Tony (talk) 13:48, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah that's fine. Definitely start with a sandbox page. And we should try to be careful with screengrabs; the puppets often turn up in the background of darkly-lit cave sets so it may not be super easy to get good images. - Shane (talk) 00:02, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
My idea was to mirror the way the Fraggles page is organized on the Merggles page, with the history from various shows first, then followed by a gallery of both classic and new Fraggles. I intend to add a section with new Back to the Rock Merggles in the gallery when I add the pictures. JagoAndLitefoot (talk) 17:44, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- We can section them off, as the Merggles in this new show are very much different than what we saw in the original. - Shane (talk) 20:37, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
Wheels on the Bus Driver
Hey, when you have time, can you check Episode 2381 for a shot of the bus driver? I can't tell for sure from this, but based on place and time, I think Michael French is Michael Bryan French (he may not have been using full name then, and even if so, we've seen scripts often use shortest name version). He was doing NY stage acting then, moved to LA in 1990, and then back to NY (he recurred on Orange is the New Black). A visual comparison should be doable. -- Andrew 01:44, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
- All I have is those particular images. I would contact Scott. - Shane (talk) 02:17, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
- Yay! - Shane (talk) 23:02, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
I personally find Doc Hopper to be scary because there are people out there that will murder others to get what they want…
Episode 2195 question
Does the script give any kind of title for Big Bird and Hoots's song? I'm going through some files and I thought I'd add some song info for a few I missed. -- Tony (talk) 15:03, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- It does not, sadly. - Shane (talk) 16:27, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what I'm looking at; it says something about a failed search. But I did find something called "Hoots's Song", is that what you mean?
- Also, I just remembered another song: the family song from Episode 2209 (with Hoots and Grace).
- EDITED TO ADD: I just found the latter! It's "My Family's Doin' Just Fine" by Manzano and Raposo. I can make a page for it later. -- Tony (talk) 22:53, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Aw, shoot, forgot those links don't really work. But yes, "Hoot's Song" is what I found. - Shane (talk) 23:28, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Hiya! Luis sings a song called "Smile" in Episode 1457. BMI has a song of that name registered to Joe Raposo under Work ID 1886032. You've gotten pretty good at tracking down these songs; is there any way to verify this info matches? —Scott (talk) 22:50, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- He wasn't working on the show at the time, so if it's a new composition, it probably wasn't him. I checked the CTW Song Docs and there's a "Smile" attributed to Raposo from about 1972. There's a little notation for the listings for whether it was for Sesame or Electric Company; "Smile" has neither. I searched the lyrics in the scripts and only that episode came up either. So, maybe it was for the EC instead or maybe just some other non-CTW project. - Shane (talk) 23:12, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
Global Wiki Rules and Blocking policy updates
Hiya! I hope you're doing well. I just created a forum about an important global policy update that goes into effect April 4th, and I just want to make sure you saw it. If you have any questions about this (and you missed the AMA where you could ask questions directly to Fandom staff about this), don't hesitate to reach out to me for support! Lady Lostris / SOAP 11:08, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
I've noticed lately that you've reverted many of my images, including this one (which wasn't a blown-up picture but right from the video source). I appear to be having some trouble with my uploads, so would you please clarify what I'm doing wrong? -- Tony (talk) 16:13, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- I know the video sources that are being used and they're not that high of a resolution. So something small blown up to something big is not going to look as good despite the little tweaks to the brightness or saturation, unless you were using a different set of videos than what I am thinking of. - Shane (talk) 16:48, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Tony, what software are you using to make color adjustments? It's also possible your video card drivers might need to be updated. Aside from the unnatural upscaling, your version of File:Eb.sitting.jpg also looks oversaturated. And the adjustments in your version of File:Mia Farrow George Brewster.jpg look (no offense) awful on my screen. —Scott (talk) 13:55, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- Any help is appreciated. I screengrab them, then put them on Word to resize them (always shrinking them, never blowing them up). I put them on the desktop for organization, then go through each with the Photos app. If there's a better (and free) way of doing it, I'm open to it. How do I update my video card drivers? -- Tony (talk) 14:12, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- We have a higher resolution copy of that particular episode, so I got a shot from that thinking it would be better perhaps. I agree though looking now, they're not too different really. - Shane (talk) 02:45, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
I found two more Abigblueworld sockpuppets:
Thanks for the album ID fix on A Summer to Remember (I confused which of the two had Honkers on the cover). I'm mostly just excited to have found a movie whose plot largely hinges on the repetition of "Sunny days..." -- Andrew 18:33, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- thumbs-up! - Shane (talk) 02:03, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
Hey, Shane, can you recall the source for this? I'm gradually gathering info on Phil Kimmelman for an animator page, but he was New York based and never overlapped with Jeff Hale's studios. Music could have been composed in New York and then recorded in San Francisco, but I don't see anything beyond "Noggin Cues" (co-listing George R. Newall, who wrote several "Schoolhouse Rock" cues) in ASCAP or BMI. It was years ago, but could it have come from one of those production music documents or something? Also, animator *Ken* Kimmelman, no relation, was West Coast based around that time and did work with Jeff Hale at least once, so I'm wondering if it was just a first name swap. -- Andrew 01:29, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- I genuinely don't remember. I'm 100% cool with taking that out. - Shane (talk) 02:10, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- Ah-ha, that's the chap! - Shane (talk) 02:41, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hmmm. I still wonder if they had the right first name, since I can't find any other indication, and that kind of mistake has happened before (Phil Kimmelman in BMI and ASCAP shows nothing indicating Sesame Street or ringmaster music, Ken Kimmelman doesn't show up at all from a search, but he worked with Hale later on at least two of the Edgar Turtle spots). Could a screengrab be found to actually use as a source if we do keep it? -- Andrew 02:50, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- Here's a screengrab from the credits. - Shane (talk) 03:04, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, Shane! Still no registration info ("Imagination," like Poverty or Filmfair and others, was there just to disambig number and letter segments from different studios), but with the screengrab, I'm thinking the best approach is to link to it on the page and reword, "Music was attributed to Phil Kimmelman according to Plaza Sesamo credits." It could be correct in fact but both the location difference and lack of any other confirmation so far suggest this is one of those times where we want to be really specific. -- Andrew 22:43, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'm cool with that. - Shane (talk) 23:52, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
More closing signs
1999 Fan just uploaded Episode 617 and I found two new closing signs.
And you never believe me? Nobody cuts me any slack anymore...:(
I know I'm really just supposed to respond to one admin only, but I sent Scott a response to what he surprisingly shared with me (and all of us) on my talk page yesterday. I see that you uploaded one picture of the gymnast - demonstrating 'beginning/end' - and used it to 'fill in' areas where that picture is needed. Last night at home I took three snapshots of what Scott shared with the community to represent the three segments of her which do not have pictures yet. I know that you did one, but can I upload (or at least show you) the other two - 'on/off' and 'over/under'? Please let me know. As you probably know, I'm not only 'floored' because of my acute interest in the gymnast, but also because someone (specifically, a Wiki admin) is voluntarily showing or sharing with me video footage after seemingly taking the 'opposite stance' on that issue for so long. No offense, but I am happy and euphoric (but at the same time also don't know how to respond). Thanks again. Jon(talk) 20:32, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, Shane. As you can see, I uploaded two images of the gymnast by myself. However, I thought I could also upload a couple others and use those instead of what was originally on the Wiki. If you'd rather not have me upload an image which 'overrides' what another user (admin or otherwise) has uploaded, please let me know. Also, did you see the questions/concerns I left for Scott as well? Again, thanks and sorry for any problem created. Jon(talk) 22:07, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- It's no big deal. The previous versions were more visually interesting, showing her in the midst of the routine. Otherwise, you'd have a bunch of pictures of her standing in place which looks lame and doesn't make them stand out from each other. - Shane (talk) 22:10, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
While we're at it, I'll soon upload a new version of both 'On-Off' and 'Over-Under' which, like you mentioned, shows her 'in action' as opposed to just 'standing there.' Jon(talk) 22:17, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, Shane:
- As you can see, I uploaded two new versions of gymnast files - 'On-Off' and 'Over-Under' - which are more, like you suggested, 'in action' as opposed to 'standing there.' I also made note of the background music for five of the eight gymnast segments in Guillermo's (MuppetVJ's) subpage. It's minor, but hopefully we can find out the background music for the other three as well. One more thing, as you may know, is that I've been trying to figure out who the gymnast is (and think I have a good idea). However, can I take that 'package' of eight gymnast segments which Scott shared with me and show it to other people outside Muppet Fandom, asking if they can recognize her, or is that 'going out of my realm'? Please let me know either way. Thanks. Jon(talk) 23:59, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi again, Shane:
- Two more points related to editing which are (you guessed it) 'gymnast-related:'
- 1. The only episode left which does not yet have a gymnast image ('over-under') is Episode 0617, and I can't edit it because it is protected. I'm somewhat guessing this this has something to do with the incident last week (and about which I, among others, voiced concern) about someone uploading that episode as a whole to YouTube, thus risking possible reactionary sanctions from AAPB and the like. Will you remove protection, or will an admin fill in everything else (including the gymnast)? Just wondering.
- 2. I see that you took down my 'explanation' on the Gymnast series page, saying that the 'beginning-end' and 'slow' segments were the same bar routine. Actually, if you look at the file that Scarecroe linked to the site, and play 'slow' (at the 0:00 mark) and 'beginning-end' (at the 3:02 mark) in side-by-side windows (for a PC at least, Macs have an equivalent concept) you'll see that the motions and movements of the gymnast herself are identical, but what is different is not only the overall camera speed, but the parts of the bar routine when the camera 'zooms in' as well as the angle from which the camera 'views' the routine. Whether one cameraman was there (and made all adjustments afterward), or two (one filming for 'slow' and the other for 'beginning-end'), I'm not sure, but given that these are all now 50 years old, I'm tempted the think that the latter was the method used (plus, like I mentioned, the angle of view). Would you like for me to re-insert that 'explanation,' but with different wording, or should we stay away from it altogether?
Episode 0793 sponsors
I know I used to pester people a lot about this in earlier days, but now that you have dealt with the actual video footage from Episode 0793, I guess I can ask you if the letter sponsors for the episode are B and N (or B and Y), depending on what is announced in the closing scene, of course. Thanks, and hope you don't mind me asking again, but hopefully it's 'justified' this time. Jon(talk) 01:26, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- The closing dialog is edited to feature Y instead. - Shane (talk) 03:16, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Revert on Joe Raposo
Hello, Oscarfan. I noticed you reverted my recent edit to Joe Raposo but didn't provide any explanation as to why. Could you please let me know what was wrong with my contribution? —Logological (talk) 07:01, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
Episode 0976 and Bridge Transitions
I see that you just finished up Episode 0976 with a couple of Bridge transition files, both involving rectangles. I then went to the Sandbox:Bridge_Transitions page to check the reference and saw the description for Bridges #7, #8, and #9. I then went to Episode 0592, Episode 1199, and Episode 1736, all of which have videos on YouTube, and made the appropriate changes to what I already changed on those Episode pages a little while back.
My question thus: Now that we have more video footage and the ability tell 'what's what' from watching it, can the Sandbox page for Bridge Transitions become a 'regular' page (and hence an 'absolute' reference) for determining which segments are in which episode? Just wondering, and thanks in advance. Jon(talk) 08:44, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- I don't know. That was really just to differentiate the bits because they have such minor changes between them, with no intention on anything more. - Shane (talk) 16:22, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- OK, Shane, thanks. In my estimation, I think it might be a good idea for it to be 'promoted' to a 'regular' page, since we now have more video footage with which to work, and we can gradually go through all of the episodes with bridge transitions (most are in the first 14 seasons, but a few are 'here and there' in Seasons 15 and thereafter) and verify exactly which 'version' they are (say, like the rectangle ones). Again, I'll leave the call up to you and the admins, but that's just my thinking. Thanks again. Jon(talk) 11:47, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Excuse me, can I ask you something?
How were you able to get the pictures from Sesame Street episode 3864? I couldn't find it anywhere online. Was it available but then got taken down?