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Gymnast series - identity

Hi, Shane (or anyone who can answer):

Out of curiosity, I have been doing some research on some Web video sites (including, but not limited to, YouTube) as well as some involving biographical information on people (on Facebook, Classmates, etc.) and I might be able to deduce the name of the gymnast who appeared on Sesame Street in the 1970's (i.e. on the Gymnast series page). If I'm sure who it is or might be, can I mention her name on the Wiki, or do we need a lot more substantial information from other (trusted) sources (or, for that matter, permission from certain people) before we can go ahead and do something like that? Thanks. Again, I'd rather ask in advance than risk making some serious error in assumption. D72jjpilc (talk) 10:55, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

See Muppet Wiki:Sources. What are your sources? —Scott latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 11:02, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Scott (and all admins, by extension) - I am 'compiling' a series of 'connections' based on information on the Web, which includes a user on Dailymotion who refers to the gymnast as 'My mom.' I am then taking this person's name and searching on Facebook and other sites (usually via Google searches) which give evidence on how several people are 'related' or 'connected.' I then search Websites like Classmates (again, making an 'educated guess' about where that person went to school) and when I think I've found the 'right' person, I verify it my Google searching that name and finding evidence in articles announcing marriages and/or deaths, such that person's maiden name was 'so-and-so' and he/she are/were related to 'so-and-so,' thus 'cementing' my convictions that I'm sure that I'm 'spot on.' Moreover, this person in question participated in gymnastics all four years in high school (according to Classmates, Seaford NY High School 1972), so that would lend further weight to my 'hunch.' Again, as to whether these are 'reliable' (or 'reliable enough') sources from the Muppet Wiki administration's point of view, I'll leave that up to you and the admins. Please let me know either way, though. Thanks, and hope you don't mind me asking. D72jjpilc (talk) 11:20, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
That sounds awfully flimsy. If you think you can make a case for it, please start a sandbox in your username space — User:D72jjpilc/gymnast would be good — with links and a clear thread pointing out how you got from point A to point B, and so on. —Scott latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 11:37, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
OK, Scott, I'll do that. It's surely worth the try. Thanks. D72jjpilc (talk) 11:42, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Train Song

Hi, Shane:

I see that you renamed the segment 'Riding on the Train' as Train Song and applied the change to all episodes in which that segment occurs. I guess this is sort of similar to 'Sawmill' vs. 'Listen Here, Truck,' whereas the former refers to the song or segment's 'official' name from a CTW 'point of view,' whereas the latter refers to a 'fan-made' name. I guess that 'Riding on the Train' was my own 'fan-made' name for the song and segment when I was involved in trying to help table the episodes last year. That's a segment I finally got to see/hear again when Episode 0593 was released on HBO Max, but - likewise - I kept referring to it by my own 'fan-based' name. Again, just wanted to note that. Thanks and take care. Jon(talk) 09:15, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

ignorant rock

We've been wrong about Martha rock since February of 2006. That might be a record. —Scott latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 21:56, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

We were living under a rock. - Shane latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 00:43, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Emoji-sigh.gifScott latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 00:44, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Could I chime in and say that George rock may be Dave Goelz instead of Hunt? -- Tony (talk) 00:45, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
You're right. Totally overlooked that too. - Shane latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 02:41, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

The deer really was in Sesame Street!

Robert the Red Deer really was in Sesame Street, Elmo's Christmas Countdown to be exact. Here's some proof from this video. If you look closely, you'll find the deer.FenneKindleFire (talk) 17:54, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Hunting for the shows I was on.

Hi Shane, I was one of the Sesame Street Kids back in the early 70s.  I was on 8 shows, but only have a VHS tape of 2 of the: 559 & 589 (CTW said they were the only shows, of my 8, which still existed, back around 1990). I know I was on 637 and 560 as well, and saw you posted some stills from 560! Please tell me you have video from that show!  

I've checked HBO+, none of the 4 episodes I have numbers for are being aired - but I'm checking every episode to see if I can find myself on any of the other 4 which I don't have episode numbers for)

I do have photos from the set, and even though it's almost 50 years later, remember quite a bit of it (in case anyone is ever curious :)  )

Thanks, Kira --User:IWasOneOfTheSesameKids 16:44, August 29, 2021‎

The footage is not mine to give out. If you are within the vicinity of the Paley Center for Media, they have that episode in their viewing library (though it doesn't seem that they've re-opened yet). - Shane latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 21:41, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Papa Bear's Hug

Concerning the citation, the three non-band animals that Papa Bear hugs do have commentary as they get hugged, based on the YouTube video. The fox reacts when he's hugged (saying "Thank you very much"), and the squirrel can be heard at the very end speaking to Papa Bear. (That's why I only credited puppetry for the latter.) If the last two aren't as discernable then I'd be fine with just leaving only Clash's credit in. -- Tony (talk) 03:34, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Clash, I totally hear. The other two you cite I honestly can't make out. It doesn't feel clear enough to make that gamble on (and we don't currently have docs about that particular bit, so there's nothing official we have to confirm anything on it). - Shane latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 03:41, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
That's fine; from your reasoning I'll remove the other two. Thanks for letting me know! -- Tony (talk) 03:43, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Same/Different - Slot Machine

If you've got the scripts, could you please tell me how the "Same/Different - Slot Machine" animations are listed in Episode 2234 and Episode 2287? There are two different versions, and I finally realized that one of the YouTube clips uses the lesser-known version here: ((YouTube)) Once they are known, the pages citing the segments could be revised to be more specific. -- Tony (talk) 15:03, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

The one in 2234 is labeled #1, and 2287 is labeled #2. I didn't really notice the two were so different. Adjustments will be made later. - Shane latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 15:27, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
Neither did I, until I stumbled on the YouTube version. So to keep track, here they are side-by-side by content:
Version 1: butterflies, butterfly/sun, bells, 12/14, s/f, sun/fun, apples, stop/store, suns, the/end
Version 2: butterflies, butterfly/sun, bells, flowers, M/W, snails, 8/3, birds, butterfly/teapot, the/end
I can get started on the few I know about, and you can take care of the rest; sound okay? -- Tony (talk) 15:41, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
Nice job on the updates! One more question: Episode 1785 seems to have two airings, but are they the same bit repeated or both animations in the same episode? -- Tony (talk) 21:36, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

One of These Things


I’m a brand new editor here (just registered yesterday) but have been browsing the Wiki for ages, and I’ve noticed a few errors on the ‘One Of These Things’ page that I thought you might like to know about. E.g. In episode 2747, Big Bird sings ‘Three of These Things’ (also stated on the episode’s wiki page). Also, according to other episode pages, it looks like you’ve missed out a few more versions of ‘One Of These Things’ (although I can’t be sure until I watch the episodes). I’m eager to help out and make sure that this site is as correct and informative as possible, so if you like, I could begin editing this page later (as soon as I work out how to do so).

Of course, if you feel the page is fine as it is, please let me know (you're the expert after all!)

--FozFozBear (talk) 08:40, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Zoot fingers moving

His Solo in Barn Yard Boogie you see the valves move.

His Solo in Jingle Bell Rock

During the Happiness Hotel bit

When he's on a bench with Floyd

His solo at the end of the video- The clearest example so far

Multiple times in the Home music video Lamango (talk) 17:45, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

It's quite subtle in some of those videos, but I do see the valve movements in a few of those. I've never noticed that before. -- Tony (talk) 18:04, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, it also jumps sometimes between using it and not. I guess it depends on how Dave was feeling or if the stand in puppeteer wanted to use them. You can't see them move at all in some appearances like the Run Run Rudolph cover, Outside Lands, even all the way back on Jim Henson Hour in his two appearances. -- Lamango (talk) 18:13, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
I think I see it, but it doesn't seem as overt as the recent examples. - Shane latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 01:19, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Herry's "eyelids"

I was looking at a clearer copy of Episode 3786 (which I'm updating the images for) and I remembered the picture of Herry with eyelids that's currently on his page. Upon closer inspection, it looks to me like it's a part of Herry's fur that's been brushed over the eye. It's not smooth, and the other (left) eye doesn't have it. Your thoughts? -- Tony (talk) 14:03, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, you're right. That can go. - Shane latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 15:20, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Don Reardon

The source for Don Reardon comes from the Alice Dinnean episode of Below the Frame, where she specifically mentions he was one of the hires for Sesame Street. Vocal comparison to his performance for "Let's Make a Word" helped confirm this was him. -- Tony (talk) 16:08, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Pick a Kard

Any kard. -- Andrew Emoji-drool.gifAdminsig.png 20:01, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Awesome! The "magician" is referenced in a couple of other scripts from that season, but we can't be sure it's the same guy. - Shane latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 20:03, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Do you know which scripts? We can definitely pin it down if visuals ever show up (apart from screengrabs, I found the To Tell the Truth from 1960 and other photo references for him), but without, yeah, it's unclear. The obit says "Sesame Street during its earliest days," so could be the one episode, could be others (we've seen a lot of both instances by now, where a one-time is spoken of as if it was recurring, or someone just remembers guesting once and turns out they called them back or even a one-day shoot was spread out). -- Andrew Emoji-drool.gifAdminsig.png 20:12, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Side note, not sure if we can really work all of it into the wiki, but I noticed how some of these early scripts sort of breakdown which production crew handled duties. Jane O'Connor wrote copy for the "character reads a book" segments (not pre-scripted, that should probably be noted), Dulcy Singer booked additional talent like children and magicians and originally arranged for the live animals that visited the street (it gets handed off to Lisa Simon by the time donkeys are involved). -- Andrew Emoji-drool.gifAdminsig.png 20:20, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Episode 0037 and Episode 0073 allude to a "Magician" for the What Happens Next games, while also suggesting it could be played by Buddy or Jim. - Shane latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 21:13, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
The "First Season Show Content" from the CTW archives lists Buddy and Jim for that bit with Gordon. -- Tony (talk) 21:17, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Dan & Dan

Hey, Shane! You created this page back in April 2017... and this page last month. Are they the same guy? -- BradFraggle (talk) 16:26, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Oh wow, I'm such a dunce. Yeah, they're the same guy. - Shane latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 17:05, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Sal's Announcement

Hey, out of curiosity... how did you manage to find this picture of Sal Minella welcoming the audience to the show during The Muppet Show Live?:


-FixandHelp15 (talk) 14:18, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Never mind, I just figured it out. It was on Vimeo. -FixandHelp15 (talk) 12:20, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

An Idea

Hi, Shane. It's me, Noah from the Tough Pigs Forum. I have a Sesame Street idea that I need your help with. User:Thomperfan (talk) 4:11, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

"Zunzun" - same tape date as "Numero Comparsa," right?

Prologue: Like I have to ask, right?

It probably makes sense that the Celia Cruz "Zunzun" song segment would be taped the same day as "Numero Comparsa." Just the same, can your sources confirm?

I thought there were publicity photos of her with Big Bird that would indicate a tape date. There may be, but I haven't found them yet. --Splurge (talk) 11:12, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

They were, yes. - Shane latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 16:46, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Tape date for Patti Labelle: "Take the Hand..."

Pretty much same as above. Was Patti LaBelle's "Take the Hand of Someone You Love" taped on the same date as "Oh, How I Miss My X?" --Splurge (talk) 20:00, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Update: Okay, got it. Thanks! --Splurge (talk) 08:15, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Now, Loretta Lynn

Loretta Lynn's "Songs Are For Singing." Same date (and director) as for "Count on Me," right?

I'm wondering I'm better off posting these in one thread. There's more, it's the researcher in me. lol --Splurge (talk) 12:37, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

We don't have that info. And yes, there is no need to post multiple threads. - Shane latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 15:39, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Cave Critters

Hey, I was just wondering, should we have like, a gallery or something for the many background creatures for Fraggle Rock? Sort of like we did for the Frackles? Lamango (talk) 05:50, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

That doesn't sound like a bad idea to me. There are a variety of different creatures, and a gallery would be a good way of keeping track of them. -- Tony (talk) 13:48, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Yeah that's fine. Definitely start with a sandbox page. And we should try to be careful with screengrabs; the puppets often turn up in the background of darkly-lit cave sets so it may not be super easy to get good images. - Shane latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 00:02, 25 January 2022 (UTC)