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Sources and dubs

Hi, while it's great you're adding stuff about the Apple+ Fraggle Rock dubs, you're not citing a source or website for any of it. For Los Fraguel, for example, what's the source for the original names being used? The cast list you used has some incorrect punctuation marks too. Are you going from an actual screengrab of credits, or what was your source? (, a Castilian dubbing database, confirms the names and has more besides, but uses the earlier Spanish names, which could well be their error or personal choice, but a source is needed). In fact, Santi GoΓ‘s, the voice of Wembley, calls him "Dudo" in text introducing songs, here.

I deleted the French dub page, both because we don't really make pages like that and especially because the cast list is evidently borrowed from the French Wikipedia. That's sometimes a good source, but as with any version of Wikipedia, depends on the contributor and if it can be verified (and right now, it can't). If you've forgotten our policy on sources, please reread it. If you're using video footage you somehow obtained that's not online, you need to specify that in an edit summary. -- Andrew Emoji-drool.gifAdminsig.png 02:06, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

It came from Apple TV+. I tried to capture the credits but they came out as blanks due to the software's DRM. Tinyirnfist0 (talk) 02:28, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
Have you been watching them in the specific languages? Is that your source for the Los Fraguel claim on names (did you just check the credits or actually listen to an episode or more)? And are you transcribing every name as they actually appear on screen? If you add anything else that way, you really need to specify in an edit summary (something we've done when adding, for example, from Disney+ or Netflix credits). -- Andrew Emoji-drool.gifAdminsig.png 02:35, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
I look at the credits and write it down. Tinyirnfist0 (talk) 02:50, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
So you haven't watched an episode to verify if the character names change or not in Spanish? That needs confirming, not just if the English names are in the credits. -- Andrew Emoji-drool.gifAdminsig.png 03:08, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Muppet Babies lawsuit

Hi, you've been edit warring with admins a bit on this. Like Scott said here, one place is enough, either the show or Scott's page. I think it fits better there myself, but duplication is pointless. Edits like this one] suggest a possible misreading of the articles as well. Basically, a lot of lawsuits have involved Disney and the Muppets over the years, but we don't cover them all, and when we do, we make sure it's accurate and usually wait until the case is ended. So for now, please be very careful before making any changes on that topic, and if an admin removes or relocates it, remember one of our other policies and leave a message on their talk page. -- Andrew Emoji-drool.gifAdminsig.png 18:54, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Also, you've been editing here for six years, what can we address you by? "Tiny" isn't the most conducive to conversation, and it helps if we can call editors by something other than a username. Thanks! -- Andrew Emoji-drool.gifAdminsig.png 18:56, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
When you have time, please respond so we know you understand and are seeing these messages. -- Andrew Emoji-drool.gifAdminsig.png 23:44, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
It's Shadow Cat.Tinyirnfist0 (talk) 16:50, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Image Size and Naming

Hi. Two items from our Image Policy to keep in mind when uploading images (which I've put into practice here). First, remember to rename the auto-generated filename to something that's relevant to the image's subject manner. Second, screengrabs should be saved as JPGs, as PNGs are larger and generate longer page load times. Please remember these guidelines for next time. Thanks! β€” Jon latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 05:39, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Understood. Tinyirnfist0 (talk) 17:54, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Disney cuts

Hey Tiny, nice work on the D+ cuts. Shane found a list on Reddit, I just wanted be be sure we're checking the cuts ourselves firsthand. Also, are you streaming from the US or outside the US? β€”Scott latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 16:16, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

I'm streaming from the United States.Tinyirnfist0 (talk) 16:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Cool beans. Thanks for confirming, Tiny Iron Fist. β€”Scott latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 16:25, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Also, please adhere to the wiki's NPOV policy. While it's almost certainly an absolute that Disney omitted the Chris Langham episode because of his criminal history, it's speculation to state definitively that that's why they left it off their streaming service. Likewise the reasoning for a content warning in the Joel Grey episode; cross-dressing may be your personal perspective, but does not reflect any factual evidence. β€”Scott latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 18:41, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
I'll stop writing explanations for the content warnings.Tinyirnfist0 (talk) 18:53, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. β€”Scott latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 18:53, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

On the topic, Tiny, please don't re-add older edits when an administrator or another user has explained its removal in their edit summary. I've already seen you do this a few times. Echoing Scott's note above, it's speculative to attribute the omission of Chris Langham's Muppet Show episode with his criminal history.

As a general rule, we only include background information on our celebrity articles and don't delve into people's personal lives/scandals. We include a Wikipedia link for anything that falls beyond our coverage. The exception is when a studio releases an official statement that's relevant enough to note and use as a source; like when Sesame Workshop announced that it was pulling Chris Brown's Sesame Street segments from future airings. There was no such announcement by Disney in regards to the Langham episode, or the Brooke Shields episode for that matter. Reinstating an 2007 edit, added by someone else with incorrect grammar/formatting, about Langham's criminal charges is not sufficient enough to justify that.

Don't re-add the edit again. Re-adding old edits in such a matter is in the vein of edit-warring, and it's not productive for either of us. In another event where something you add is removed by one of us, discuss it on our talk page; or start a thread on the Forum, so we can deliberate as a group whether to include it and how it should be noted. Please consider this when making future edits. Thanks. β€” Jon latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 03:20, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Words to avoid

Here there, Danny. Thanks for the updates on the dubbing stuff. Please take a look at Muppet_Wiki:Style_Guide#Words_and_phrases_to_avoid and let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. β€”Scott latest?cb=20200820192427 (talk) 13:57, 13 March 2021 (UTC)