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Boy, it took me a little while to figure this whole messaging thing out! To be honest, today was the first time I had ever posted (edited) a wiki page, and I'm learning there's quite a bit more to it then I ever imagined.
 
Boy, it took me a little while to figure this whole messaging thing out! To be honest, today was the first time I had ever posted (edited) a wiki page, and I'm learning there's quite a bit more to it then I ever imagined.
   
I do apologize if you feel I am out of line with my posts, and would certainly delete them if you (or the community) felt they should be removed. I have found the Muppet Wiki to be an invaluable tool in my ongoing collection of out of print Muppet music titles, and for awhile have wanted to be associated with them. My website is set up as a free forum for people who would like to come and listen to these old recordings, and I'm not asking anything in return. Yes, Sesame Streem is linked to my online business as well, so I can see where your concerns may lie. As I mentioned, not having edited a wiki page before I wasn't sure if I needed to clear my posts with someone ahead of time or if I was lacking the proper authority to add the links (but it sounds like I should have checked better). Please let me know how you would like me to proceed, remove all the titles, or continue to add more (yes, there's more, ha ha).
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I do apologize if you feel I am out of line with my posts, and would certainly delete them if you (or the community) felt they should be removed. I have found the Muppet Wiki to be an invaluable tool in my ongoing collection of out of print Muppet music titles, and for awhile have wanted to be associated with them. My website is set up as a free forum for people who would like to come and listen to these old recordings, and I'm not asking anything in return. Yes, Sesame Streem is linked to my online business as well, so I can see where your concerns may lie. As I mentioned, not having edited a wiki page before I wasn't sure if I needed to clear my posts with someone ahead of time or if I was lacking the proper authority to add the links (but it sounds like I should have checked into it better). Please let me know how you would like me to proceed, remove all the titles, or continue to add more (yes, there's more, ha ha).
   
 
Thanks for your time - and sorry for the trouble.
 
Thanks for your time - and sorry for the trouble.

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Sesame Streem

Hey Danny

Boy, it took me a little while to figure this whole messaging thing out! To be honest, today was the first time I had ever posted (edited) a wiki page, and I'm learning there's quite a bit more to it then I ever imagined.

I do apologize if you feel I am out of line with my posts, and would certainly delete them if you (or the community) felt they should be removed. I have found the Muppet Wiki to be an invaluable tool in my ongoing collection of out of print Muppet music titles, and for awhile have wanted to be associated with them. My website is set up as a free forum for people who would like to come and listen to these old recordings, and I'm not asking anything in return. Yes, Sesame Streem is linked to my online business as well, so I can see where your concerns may lie. As I mentioned, not having edited a wiki page before I wasn't sure if I needed to clear my posts with someone ahead of time or if I was lacking the proper authority to add the links (but it sounds like I should have checked into it better). Please let me know how you would like me to proceed, remove all the titles, or continue to add more (yes, there's more, ha ha).

Thanks for your time - and sorry for the trouble.

Jay

Muppet Wiki Community Portal / Active Contributors

Hello, Danny. Is this page still active? It hasn't been edited for almost two years; I was considering adding myself, but with the last edit being over a year ago, I'm not sure if others will allow or deny my addition. So, combining this information I just presented, I am asking you this - Is it alright if I add myself, even if I believe that I'm active on the wiki? Thanks for your time, Matt H. (talk) 21:09, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, gosh! I'd totally forgotten about that page. You're right -- that's way out of date, and it's not even the way we really think about the site anymore. I'm going to delete that page. I don't want people to feel left out just cause they're not on that list -- I'm really sorry that you saw it, and it made you feel that way! You're an awesome contributor, totally a part of this community -- and if we were still doing a list like that, you'd be on it! -- Danny@fandom (talk) 21:50, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, and by the way, I did not feel left out; I was just curious why I wasn't on there. I even wondered how User:Oscarfan and User:Rocketstevo would have felt, since they're very active on the wiki! Matt H. (talk) 03:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

jewel studded Kermit

Hey, do you know anything about this? I have a faint memory of us talking about how bizarre it was to produce something that only rich people could afford. —Scott (talk) 16:31, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I wrote about them on Tough Pigs back in the day... These are the pictures that I have. They were made by Landau; I don't know what year... -- Danny@fandom (talk) 16:36, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Here's the website for Landau Jewelry... -- Danny@fandom (talk) 16:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Ah! Got it -- Ugly Toys Pageant. It was released in 2002. -- Danny@fandom (talk) 16:39, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Oh, they're pill boxes. Weird. Thanks for finding the pictures! —Scott (talk) 16:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Elmo and Other Videos

Sorry to keep asking questions, but you just reminded me of something. When should a video of a special or a movie get its own page, and when should it go on the page for the production itself? Elmo in Grouchland looks kind of empty, and I know that other specials have a video gallery at the bottom. Is there any guideline to follow, or have we not talked about it yet? I know that certain pages like the videos of The Muppet Movie are separate because there have been so many US and foreign editions. What do you think? -- Ken (talk) 04:22, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

That's a really good question! I was just thinking how empty and sad that page looked too. What have we done with other movies that only had one video release? -- Danny@fandom (talk) 04:24, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Maybe I was jumping the gun. I just ran through Muppet Video, and every theatrical release has had a bunch of US and foreign editions, and most of the specials have also had multiple US and foreign editions as well. The only other thing I can think of that's kind of empty is the videos for Christmas Eve on Sesame Street. It's got 3 boxes, and that's it. A lot of the specials go into detail about what was cut from different editions of the specials, so that may be why the boxes are shown by the text. But I guess Elmo is the only one so far that only has one picture. Maybe we just never got around to expanding the page with the multiple editions like for Follow that Bird. -- Ken (talk) 04:32, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi!

Getting sick of hitting the Enter key yet? -- Ken (talk) 06:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Never! I have not yet begun to hit Enter. -- Danny@fandom (talk) 06:04, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Actually, it's kind of cool of you to standardize all the episode pages going all the way back to episode 1 (or 2, since episode 1 has a full guide). I found more information on a bunch of Japanese CD's tonight, and I think there are some DVD's that are unique to Japan that I'll be working on soon. One of these days I'll get back to working on US VHS titles. I keep running into other things! -- Ken (talk) 06:26, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Comic Book Songs

Hey, I just thought of something. If the Muppet Show Comic books show songs being performed (although with lyrics only), wouldn't they count as Muppet Show Songs, and not musical references? They're actually performing the song in the context of the comic book, and not just referring to a song like in a parody or something. Or do you want to keep Muppet Show Songs for stuff that was actually performed on the show? -- Ken (talk) 01:56, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I think "Muppet Show Songs" should be songs performed on the Muppet Show, just like we decided "Muppet Show Characters" should be characters from the show itself recently. -- Wendy (talk) 02:15, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
It seems weird to call a performance a reference, though. Is there something else we could call it, like "Muppet Show Comic Book Songs"? -- Ken (talk) 02:16, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Or it could just be listed as "Muppet Songs". --Minor muppetz 02:48, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't think we have pages for these. Is this a non-issue, or did I miss them? —Scott (talk) 02:54, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if there are many, but there's In My Merry Oldsmobile. -- Wendy (talk) 02:57, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
We talked about this already somewhere, and decided that we weren't going to refer to Comic Book "songs" as Muppet Songs, because they're not. But Peter discovered that "In My Merry Oldsmobile" is an actual song from 1905, so its use in the comic is a reference to the real song. Hence, Musical References.
It would be the same if there was a musical number in the comic of "Blue Suede Shoes" -- that would be an Elvis Presley reference, and we'd list it as a Musical Reference there. This just happens to be a particularly obscure reference, so it was good detective work on Peter's part. -- Danny@fandom (talk) 03:00, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Okay. I hadn't been following how you guys were handling things that came up in the comic books, but I saw a new page for "In My Merry Oldsmobile" in Recent Changes, and wondered what show it was used in, and I saw that it was used in the comic book. Thanks for clearing it up. -- Ken (talk) 03:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, it took me a minute to wrap my head around it, too. -- Danny@fandom (talk) 03:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Question

Hi Danny. I know you think it’s not a good idea having me working on this Wiki and yes I do have a kind of attention deficit disorder called Asperger syndrome. I, however, am truly sincerely sorry for not listening to your words before. I want you to know if you could please give me just one last chance then I’ll leave all links alone. I can find some other outlet for my energy besides changing all the redirects. I can make few pages when needed, check for spelling and/or punctuation mistakes, or anything else that you may need help with. And I promise to generally stop being a pest. You might not believe me when I say this but it’s true. And all I ask for is one final chance. And if I blow that chance I promise I won’t ask for another chance. I only ask, however, to add a "d" in Grundgetta's name on the Worm page. And again, I won't change another link. Thanks again. -- T.J. (talk) 14:08, 14, July 2009 (UTC)

SS policy

Hey, do we have a policy for SS episodes about repeated info, like if the episode page just lists segments with, all with earlier EKAs. Are they worth keeping then or just get nixed. - Oscarfan 15:08, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Do you have an example? I'm leaning towards keeping them, but I'd like to see what you mean. -- Danny@fandom (talk) 15:10, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Like Episode 0123; it has nothing but repeated info. Is it still worth keeping though? - Oscarfan 15:16, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, definitely! It's all eka's, but the fact that those sketches appeared on that episode is new info. The "repeated info" pages that I've been taking out are all one-line articles that repeat information that's contained on another single page.
For example, let's say there's an episode page that links to the director, John Smith. When you click on the "John Smith" link, the page only has one sentence: "John Smith directed Episode X." That's the only sentence on the whole page.
That's what we mean by "repeated info". There's nothing on that John Smith page that you wouldn't already know from reading the page that you just clicked from. So if you're on that episode page and you click on the director's name, you're not learning anything new than what you just read. It's a waste of your time to click on that link. We don't want to waste readers' time or patience, so we try to avoid making pages like that.
But there's nowhere else on the wiki that says exactly what segments are in episode 0123. If we took that page out, then there would be nowhere on the wiki that listed what was in that episode. Does that make sense? -- Danny@fandom (talk) 15:24, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
If I could just comment here, we also don't know what else was in Episode 123 yet. There are no street scenes listed, so more information could surface. Theoretically, eventually every episode segment in every episode guide will point back to the first episode it appeared in. -- Ken (talk) 03:42, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Jim Henson Records

WOW! -- Ken (talk) 04:25, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Yay, I'm glad you like it! I kind of got inspired today. :) -- Danny@fandom (talk) 04:50, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm jealous! I didn't even know all that stuff! And I don't know how I missed those LA Times and Billboard articles! Do you think we should mention some of that on the Muppet Discography page, too? I know you don't want to repeat stuff. -- Ken (talk) 04:53, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, absolutely! We should always spread the info around wherever it's relevant. My "repeats" thing is about creating a brand new page just to say something that already exists somewhere else. -- Danny@fandom (talk) 04:53, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Gosh, it makes all the other label pages look kind of empty. Maybe someday we'll find out the behind the scenes stories on them, too! -- Ken (talk) 04:58, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree, that page is amazing. I never knew about the lawsuit. It seems like they weren't promoted well compared to the video releases at te time. I saw TV advertisements for the videos long before seeing them in stores back in spring 1993, but didn't know about the Jim Henson Records line until fall 1993 when I finally bought a Jim Henson Video release and saw a print advertisement for some of them. And I thought Rocket to the Stars and Music and Magic were released in 1994, not '93. --Minor muppetz 02:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Oh, and regaridng behind-the-scenes info on other labels, I posted a link from Muppet Central announcing the Jim Henson Home Entertainment line t the appropriate article page. I couldn't find anyhting that I felt was worth quoting, but maybe somebody else will think otherwise. --Minor muppetz 02:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Dimpley Fraggle

Danny, why'd you delete the page for Dimpley Fraggle? Your edit summary says "no evidence for a Fraggle with this name" -- but if you look at my Sandbox page Sandbox:Fraggle Gallery, or watch the episodes Episode 221: Wembley and the Great Race or Episode 317: Playing Till It Hurts, you'll see there are actually two Fraggles with that name. I didn't make the name up; it's stated in the episodes. --GrantHarding 14:56, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

It looks like the page was created by someone who we blocked for creating nonsense pages. I went ahead and restored it, so feel free to build it up! —Scott (talk) 16:14, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

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